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[Faithless83]

There is one major difference between the three options.
Two are profitable and one is sustainable.

Game Pass is not profitable yet - Tom Warren

I'm guessing that the money they're paying out to get games into the service is steep or when XBOX says GP subs they're including everyone who joined up irrespective of whether they're still/recurring subs. I thought that at 23 million they'd be seeing major profits. I guess not...

www.neogaf.com

 

[kingfey]

Amazing that you’re virtually saying you rather pay monthly with interests than annually, with a discount.
If GP was $120 yearly with an upfront payment would you really rather pay monthly up to $180? I know you’re going to say yes because it would contradict everything you said up to now but it’s not a good look.

I am sorry that, i am not rich like you.

Some people dont have money to spend it like that. I havent bought a game, since spending $60 on ps+, $60 on hfw, and 60 on elden ring.

 

[Warablo]

Starfield on Game Pass vs God War Ragnarok $70

 

[kingfey]

There is one major difference between the three options.
Two are profitable and one is sustainable.

Game Pass is not profitable yet - Tom Warren

I'm guessing that the money they're paying out to get games into the service is steep or when XBOX says GP subs they're including everyone who joined up irrespective of whether they're still/recurring subs. I thought that at 23 million they'd be seeing major profits. I guess not...

www.neogaf.com

That point doesnt matter anymore.
Both service are now spending money on the 2 services.

Only one has the day1 games, which can increase the cost.

 

[Craig of War]

There is one major difference between the three options.
Two are profitable and one is sustainable.

Game Pass is not profitable yet - Tom Warren

I'm guessing that the money they're paying out to get games into the service is steep or when XBOX says GP subs they're including everyone who joined up irrespective of whether they're still/recurring subs. I thought that at 23 million they'd be seeing major profits. I guess not...

www.neogaf.com

Microsoft has a cheat code though they are so much richer then Sony and Nintendo combine that they can basically never make a profit on Gamepass and not bat an eye wile the other 2 company if they failed will be in a world of trouble that a major advantage to sustainable

 

[RCU005]

Spoiler: Gamepass and PS Plus are not comparable. They are not intended to be even close to similar.

 

[Faithless83]

That point doesnt matter anymore.
Both service are now spending money on the 2 services.

Only one has the day1 games, which can increase the cost.

We'll see the revenue as Sony is likely to show numbers. They are pretty much just doing a "psnow offline" with the service, so it can better serve the customers where streaming is not viable/the ones that don't like streaming at all.
This has pushed Xbox sales on a lot of places, but as soon as Sony has a similar (and cheaper if you subscribe annually) service... I think this will change the tides a lot. I just wished they didn't take that long to move this forward.

Microsoft has a cheat code though they are so much richer then Sony and Nintendo combine that they can basically never make a profit on Gamepass and not bat an eye wile the other 2 company if they failed will be in a world of trouble that a major advantage to sustainable

How long can they keep feeding the division that hasn't turn a profit in a long time now?

 

[kingfey]

We'll see the revenue as Sony is likely to show numbers. They are pretty much just doing a "psnow offline" with the service, so it can better serve the customers where streaming is not viable/the ones not found of streaming at all.
This has pushed Xbox sales on a lot of places, but as soon as Sony has a similar (and cheaper if you subscribe annually) service... I think this will change the tides a lot. I just wished they didn't take that long to move this forward.

Aside of the day1 games, both service would have the same price, unless Sony only does old games, which is cheap.
Then you have ps+ in this list having more games. That is alot of money keeping that service up.

 

[Craig of War]

We'll see the revenue as Sony is likely to show numbers. They are pretty much just doing a "psnow offline" with the service, so it can better serve the customers where streaming is not viable/the ones not found of streaming at all.
This has pushed Xbox sales on a lot of places, but as soon as Sony has a similar (and cheaper if you subscribe annually) service... I think this will change the tides a lot. I just wished they didn't take that long to move this forward.

How long can they keep feeding the division that hasn't turn a profit in a long time now?

They have been doing that with Xbox console since 2001
they said they have never made a profit with Xbox console sales ever lol
so they have shown that they can do it
any other company would have gone bankrupt by now like Sega for an example

Microsoft says it has never made a profit from the sale of an Xbox console | VGC

Company claims it always sells devices at a loss as part of Epic vs Apple trial…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[Swift_Star]

I am sorry that, i am not rich like you.

Some people dont have money to spend it like that. I havent bought a game, since spending $60 on ps+, $60 on hfw, and 60 on elden ring.

$120 makes a person rich? The more you know…

 

[kingfey]

$120 makes a person rich? The more you know…

If you can spend $120 on a gaming subscription service at once like that, then you have no money problems. You are a rich person, who can cover his other expenses.

 

[Swift_Star]

If you can spend $120 on a gaming subscription service at once like that, then you have no money problems. You are a rich person, who can cover his other expenses.

You’re reaching. Being able to pay $120 for a service is not being rich and most American gamers that already cashed out for a ps5 can afford that.

 

[adamsapple]

How long can they keep feeding the division that hasn't turn a profit in a long time now?

Well .. they're a multi trillion dollar company and their CEO has pledged full support for the gaming/entertainment division.

So I'm guessing they can keep feeding it for quite a while.

Not that we as gamers should care about what either company's revenue is when objectively comparing two subscription service and their output of games.

Starfield on Game Pass vs God War Ragnarok $70

MLB The Show 2022 is also on Game Pass versus $70 on retail.

Likely the same will befall all future CoD games once the deal closes. Definitely other franchises like Diablo, as Diablo IV was announced for all consoles long before the merger news. So it'll be on Game Pass day 1 without a doubt, but will be sold at full retail on PS4/5, if the deal completes successfully.

 

[Lognor]

So a yes!?!

How many threads or news articles have it seen proclaiming such? Please share!

 

[Lognor]

I am sorry that, i am not rich like you.

Some people dont have money to spend it like that. I havent bought a game, since spending $60 on ps+, $60 on hfw, and 60 on elden ring.

I'm upper middle class and I still do monthly! I pay for the flexibility. If games on ps+ are shit you're still locked in for a year. I don't like that.

 

[kingfey]

You’re reaching. Being able to pay $120 for a service is not being rich and most American gamers that already cashed out for a ps5 can afford that.

Most americans make below $2k a month. The rent is close to $1k. the gas price is $40 for 10 gallon here. Not to mention, other payments. This is by earning $16 a month.

This is biweekly pay of $16 an hour.

Your estimated semi-monthly take home pay:
$992

---

Where is your money going?

Gross Paycheck	$1,280
	Taxes	14.87%	$190
	DETAILS
	FICA and State Insurance Taxes	7.65%	$98
	DETAILS
	Pre-Tax Deductions	0.00%	$0
	DETAILS
	Post-Tax Deductions	0.00%	$0
	Take Home Salary	77.48%	$992

Not every job offers that money. Most jobs still offer $10-$15.

 

[kingfey]

I'm upper middle class and I still do monthly! I pay for the flexibility. If games on ps+ are shit you're still locked in for a year. I don't like that.

You gain your money back easily.
Those monthly payment to you, is a takeout cost. You are not losing anything, compared to the yearly.

Unless there is day1 games, yearly payment for high price isnt worth it. There is no real investment.

PS+, Xbox live gold, Nintendo online being $60 yearly have high return, due to the online requirement. and other offering not mattering at all. I still havent claimed gold games yet. Because they are useless to me. Unless they offer good games.

 

[Swift_Star]

Most americans make below $2k a month. The rent is close to $1k. the gas price is $40 for 10 gallon here. Not to mention, other payments. This is by earning $16 a month.

This is biweekly pay of $16 an hour.

Your estimated semi-monthly take home pay:
$992

---

Where is your money going?

Gross Paycheck	$1,280
	Taxes	14.87%	$190
	DETAILS
	FICA and State Insurance Taxes	7.65%	$98
	DETAILS
	Pre-Tax Deductions	0.00%	$0
	DETAILS
	Post-Tax Deductions	0.00%	$0
	Take Home Salary	77.48%	$992

Not every job offers that money. Most jobs still offer $10-$15.

Like I said, these people should not be buying consoles, they should’ve other priorities and aren’t the target audience, specially if they have to support a family. This is a terrible point to be made.
Specially because they being poor doesn’t make people who can afford $120 a year rich, and that represents 5% over annual salary for a person that earn 2k a month.
The point still stands: it’s better to save a few months and pay the price upfront and start saving again when the first time is paid than pay for installments with an interest. Only an uninformed person would not make this decision.

 

[On Demand]

Sure, games enter and leave, but your image is still severely outdated and not accurate.

Game Pass News | Track All Games on Xbox Game Pass

We keep you informed on all things Xbox Game Pass. Up to date Console List, PC List, Cloud List and many more!

gamepasscounter.com

As of the above website, there are 498 unique games on game pass right now, and if we start counting different skus as different versions (eg Halo on PC and Xbox as separate) it goes over 1000.

Anyway, at this point it's completely speculative to expect if PS Now will rotate games in and out as well, conventional wisdom says yes.

Why on earth would you count different versions of the same game? Sounds like you just want to add those to make number bigger.

The point being what exactly? PSNow only has more games available if you include streaming, GP has more otherwise. They are more recent, better rated and have less duplication inside a series (like PSNow having 3 Guilty Gear and 5 Blazblue games).

Doesn’t matter whether the games are new or old or steaming. A subscription service is based off its entire catalogue. Not any one specific feature.

Gamepass has duplicate games too.

You people sure make a lot extra reasonings to prop up gamepass.


My original point still stands......

 

[THE DUCK]

Why on earth would you count different versions of the same game? Sounds like you just want to add those to make number bigger.



Doesn’t matter whether the games are new or old or steaming. A subscription service is based off its entire catalogue. Not any one specific feature.

Gamepass has duplicate games too.

You people sure make a lot extra reasonings to prop up gamepass.


My original point still stands......

No need to prop it up, it's clearly superior. The fact that ign completely ignored day and date on the comparison chart means they are either incompitant or sell outs.

 

[adamsapple]

Why on earth would you count different versions of the same game? Sounds like you just want to add those to make number bigger.

Hence why I didn't lead with that and made the clear delineation

We have yet to see how PS+ will differentiates the number of games it promises, whether they're all unique or if it counts different region/SKUs separately.

My original point still stands......

Your original point was posting total number of games on either service using an outdated image.

It only stands on the false premise you've set it on.

No need to prop it up, it's clearly superior. The fact that ign completely ignored day and date on the comparison chart means they are either incompitant or sell outs.

They ignored day 1 releases, they ignored the cheapest subscription option of them all via converting Gold to GPU, they ignored the additional perks like 3 month Paramount + access, Disney + access, Marvel Unlimited access etc.

All those are additive features and should be noted in a direct comparison. Similarly Funimation should be noted for PS+ as Sony throws in trial for it every now and then.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Good thing there's plenty of quality day 1 games too.

Not putting up one of the biggest aspects is disingenuous like you said in your first post, we both agree on that at least.

Just wondering if you could name 10 that released.

 

[adamsapple]

Just wondering if you could name 10 that released.

Sure

Gears 5
Gears Tactics
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
The Outer Worlds
Forza Horizon 4
Forza Horizon 5
Halo: Infinite
Dragon Quest 11 S
Outriders
Tunic


That covers 10, I can probably rattle off a bunch more but you're probably gonna reply with some bad faith argument anyway.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Sure

Gears 5
Gears Tactics
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
The Outer Worlds
Forza Horizon 4
Forza Horizon 5
Halo: Infinite
Dragon Quest 11 S
Outriders
Tunic


That covers 10, I can probably rattle off a bunch more but you're probably gonna reply with some bad faith argument anyway.

-Gears 5 was free on XBLG.

 

[adamsapple]

Oh shit, how did I forget. Psychonauts 2, one of the best games of 2021, also launched day 1 on Game Pass.

-Gears 5 was free on XBLG.

And ?

It was on game pass at launch. It came to Games with Gold later in January 2021.

See, you did exactly what I said by replying with a bad faith argument. Predictable.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Oh shit, how did I forget. Psychonauts 2, one of the best games of 2021, also launched day 1 on Game Pass.




And ?

It was on game pass at launch. It came to Games with Gold later in January 2021.

See, you did exactly what I said by replying with a bad faith argument. Predictable.

Anyways that list isn't worth 10-15 a month IMO

 

[adamsapple]

Anyways that list isn't worth 10-15 a month IMO

Good thing the majority of people in this topic seem to think otherwise.

Stay predictable, my dude.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Good thing the majority of people in this topic seem to think otherwise.

Stay predictable, my dude.

No they don't.

 

[adamsapple]

No they don't.

I'm not gonna bother quoting each post, cause, again, you're just gonna reply with something in bad faith as always.

But this thread is 8 pages long with almost every 2nd or 3rd post from a different user asking why IGN didn't mention day 1 releases in the table.

And this is also probably the last I'm going to quote this chain cause it's going nowhere, predictably.

 

[octiny]

Last couple of pages.

 

[THE DUCK]

Anyways that list isn't worth 10-15 a month IMO

I'd have to wonder then what you think is worth your money, each year, if those aren't worth that much.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I'm not gonna bother quoting each post, cause, again, you're just gonna reply with something in bad faith as always.

But this thread is 8 pages long with almost every 2nd or 3rd post from a different user asking why IGN didn't mention day 1 releases in the table.

And this is also probably the last I'm going to quote this chain cause it's going nowhere, predictably.

My original question was can you name 10 quality Day One GP releases.

The list you named is made up of a mix of old and new titles which IMO isn't worth GP's asking price.

You say to most in this thread that list is worth it and I say most in this thread don't think it is.

You keep mentioning faith as if you don't have any.

 

[Rykan]

Spoiler: Gamepass and PS Plus are not comparable. They are not intended to be even close to similar.

They are comparable and they are intended to be similar. One is just a much better value, but that doesn't mean you can't compare them or that they aren't similar.

 

[adamsapple]

I'd have to wonder then what you think is worth your money, each year, if those aren't worth that much.

I'll take a stab. God of War, Returnal, Miles Morales. Predictable answers.

The list you named is made up of a mix of old and new titles which IMO isn't worth GP's asking price

Good thing those are just the first 10 that came to mind and just a taste of all day 1 releases since the service stared.

I could have named any 10 games or even 50 games and your reply was gonna be exactly the same, let's not kid ourselves about your goal here

 

[octiny]

My original question was can you name 10 quality Day One GP releases.

The list you named is made up of a mix of old and new titles which IMO isn't worth GP's asking price.

You say to most in this thread that list is worth it and I say most in this thread don't think it is.

You keep mentioning faith as if you don't have any.

Did you not ask him for 10 day 1 releases?

He gave them to you. So how can they be old if they were originally day 1 releases? You didn't specifically ask.

Mind you, most recently 3 of those swept a large portion of GOTY awards.

In fact, if you average out the MC of those games I don't think you're going to like the outcome when it comes to your narrative of "quality".

It's fine if you don't think it's worth it, but don't argue in bad faith w/ him against facts on whether they are of "quality". Just say "not my type of games"

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

You have to pay money for cloud saves on PlayStation? That can’t be real

 

[THE DUCK]

I'll take a stab. God of War, Returnal, Miles Morales. Predictable answers.



Good thing those are just the first 10 that came to mind and just a taste of all day 1 releases since the service stared.

I could have named any 10 games or even 50 games and your reply was gonna be exactly the same, let's not kid ourselves about your goal here

Probably true about the games, my question would be then why would a gamer limit themselves to those games? Budget perhaps, but if not that I'm confused.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Good thing those are just the first 10 that came to mind and just a taste of all day 1 releases since the service stared.

I could have named any 10 games or even 50 games and your reply was gonna be exactly the same, let's not kid ourselves about your goal here

You originally said...
"Good thing there's plenty of quality day 1 games too"

Barely naming 10 isn't plenty and lets not forget the quality part.

 

[adamsapple]

You have to pay money for cloud saves on PlayStation? That can’t be real

Yep. Unfortunately that's still locked behind a paywall.

Probably true about the games, my question would be then why would a gamer limit themselves to those games? Budget perhaps, but if not that I'm confused.

They won't, it's just a blatantly obvious troll post. They asked for 10 games, I gave 10 games off the top of my head and suddenly those 10 games aren't worth the price of admission.

Ok, but those are just a drop in the bucket, but that doesn't matter lol.

Did you not ask him for 10 day 1 releases?
He gave them to you. So how can they be old if they were originally day 1 releases? You didn't specifically ask.
Mind you, most recently 3 of those swept a large portion of GOTY awards.
In fact, if you average out the MC of those games I don't think you're going to like the outcome when it comes to your narrative of "quality".
It's fine if you don't think it's worth it, but don't argue in bad faith w/ him against facts on whether they are of "quality". Just say "not my type of games"

It's just changing goal posts. I won't be surprised if there's another post changing the goal post again.

That list of 10 games is just 10 of the dozens of day 1 releases and at least a few of just the 10 I mentioned are multiple GoTY award winners, in Halo's case, it won the GoTy award for the very forum we're in right now.

But that logic doesn't work.

Edit:

See, I told you

You originally said...
"Good thing there's plenty of quality day 1 games too"

Barely naming 10 isn't plenty and lets not forget the quality part.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You have to pay money for cloud saves on PlayStation? That can’t be real

It's real dumb that they still do this.

Reminds me of not being able to use Netflix without having Gold on the XB360.

 

[bushwookie]

Why on earth would you count different versions of the same game? Sounds like you just want to add those to make number bigger.



Doesn’t matter whether the games are new or old or steaming. A subscription service is based off its entire catalogue. Not any one specific feature.

Gamepass has duplicate games too.

You people sure make a lot extra reasonings to prop up gamepass.


My original point still stands......

Your original point doesn't still stand....
It never stood to begin with, because the data you provided was completely wrong. Your point never had legs to stand on from the beginning.

Instead of realizing and admitting how poorly constructed your argument was when it was pointed out to you. You instead have chosen to completely ignore the fact that you posted severely outdated figures that are wrong across the board, and continue to pretend that it was somehow valid.

Literally the definition of stubborn.

 

[PropellerEar]

I'm not gonna bother quoting each post, cause, again, you're just gonna reply with something in bad faith as always.

But this thread is 8 pages long with almost every 2nd or 3rd post from a different user asking why IGN didn't mention day 1 releases in the table.

And this is also probably the last I'm going to quote this chain cause it's going nowhere, predictably.

Only one of those games I would be interested is Gears 5 and even then from the bargain bin.
So no not worth $10-15/month.

 

[PropellerEar]

It's smarter. You are blindly following your corporate gods so if you could subscribe for 5 years at a time you would.

You don't know what smarter is, you were questioning validity of elemental math.

 

[Chukhopops]

Why on earth would you count different versions of the same game? Sounds like you just want to add those to make number bigger.



Doesn’t matter whether the games are new or old or steaming. A subscription service is based off its entire catalogue. Not any one specific feature.

Gamepass has duplicate games too.

You people sure make a lot extra reasonings to prop up gamepass.


My original point still stands......

So the age, quality and offline play vs streaming is irrelevant to the appeal of a game subscription service? Well then you’re right, PSNow is better if you ignore those three aspects.

If you don’t, then there is a huge gap between the two. As a reminder, as of Dec 2021:

If you say the two are comparable you probably didn’t look at either catalog.

 

[Chukhopops]

Just wondering if you could name 10 that released.

You originally said...
"Good thing there's plenty of quality day 1 games too"

Barely naming 10 isn't plenty and lets not forget the quality part.

- Asks for 10
- Receives 10
- “Well I don’t think that’s enough”

Why didn’t you ask for more then? Even this year there have been more than 10 day1 releases:
- Hitman trilogy
- Nobody saves the world
- Tunic
- Weird West
- Windjammers 2
- Rainbow six Extraction
- Total War Warhammer 3
- Shredders
- Crossfire X
- Far: Changing tides

And that’s not even the whole list. Next you’re gonna say you don’t like those or there are indies I guess.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

- Asks for 10
- Receives 10
- “Well I don’t think that’s enough”

Why didn’t you ask for more then? Even this year there have been more than 10 day1 releases:
- Hitman trilogy
- Nobody saves the world
- Tunic
- Weird West
- Windjammers 2
- Rainbow six Extraction
- Total War Warhammer 3
- Shredders
- Crossfire X
- Far: Changing tides

And that’s not even the whole list. Next you’re gonna say you don’t like those or there are indies I guess.

As you quoted me quoting him...
He said "plenty of quality day one releases"
So no much of what you added I wouldn't consider quality.

 

[Dr Bass]

Game Pass wins with Day 1 XGS games and it's only $1 according to the haters. 1/18 the cost of PS+

So this is absolutely true, but it’s not the haters, just the truth tellers. I got my three years for a buck, thank you sir!

That said this thread is pretty dumb. PS+ and GP are not competitors AT. ALL. Plenty have said it in the past, plenty are saying it now. The media just likes to stir up crap.

PS+ is about network services and classic games.

Game Pass (outside of ultimate) has nothing to do with network services and is about new MS releases first and foremost.

Just because they are both subs doesn’t mean they can be compared. Also please people, stop repeating marketing rhetoric. When you say “GP gets games on day one!” You sound like a corporate tool. Nobody ever used that phrase until MS started pushing it. It’s just as bad as if a PlayStation person walked around saying “greatness awaits.” Use your own words. GP gets first party games when they are released. That’s it. The “day 1” stuff sounds like a 45 year old marketing exec trying to come up with something hip the kids would like.

Yeah, it’s a stupid pet peeve.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So this is absolutely true, but it’s not the haters, just the truth tellers. I got my three years for a buck, thank you sir!

That said this thread is pretty dumb. PS+ and GP are not competitors AT. ALL. Plenty have said it in the past, plenty are saying it now. The media just likes to stir up crap.

PS+ is about network services and classic games.

Game Pass (outside of ultimate) has nothing to do with network services and is about new MS releases first and foremost.

Just because they are both subs doesn’t mean they can be compared. Also please people, stop repeating marketing rhetoric. When you say “GP gets games on day one!” You sound like a corporate tool. Nobody ever used that phrase until MS started pushing it. It’s just as bad as if a PlayStation person walked around saying “greatness awaits.” Use your own words. GP gets first party games when they are released. That’s it. The “day 1” stuff sounds like a 45 year old marketing exec trying to come up with something hip the kids would like.

Yeah, it’s a stupid pet peeve.

Day 1 is a core feature of Gamepass that makes it better than its competitors. It's not just a happy accident lmao

 

[Calverz]

The example was to show you that given a choice people will choose the annual option. Hell, Microsoft knows this as well and that's why they don't offer the choice when it comes to GP. Either way, my example proves my point a hell of a lot more than yours which is absolutely nothing. But if you want to continue believing this idea that people would rather pay $60 more a year to pay monthly then we will just have to disagree.

All your point proves is people are willing to pay £40 a year. Not £100.

 

[Calverz]

Numbers don't lie, cheaper is cheaper.
40 is less than 60.
120 is less than 180.

Superior intelligence at play here with cute insults and BS arguments.

Certainly is. You can count. Well done. The argument isn’t what is cheaper.