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S______L for PS5 to be revealed soon (The dedicated blueballs/Kojima 'conspiracy' thread)
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bitbydeath
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THIS ISN’T THE FIRST TIME EPIC HAS DENIED BLUE BOX WORKING WITH UNREAL ENGINE.
rofif
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they are using ue4 not 5.
A.Romero
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baphomet
pointed out that Nuare has deleted those mentions.Also that stuff about the studios working with him for free not only sounds ludicrous but it also doesn't make sense together with the information regarding the financial status.
What do you think of missing deadlines and how uncharacteristic that would be if it was Kojima behind it?
IntentionalPun
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When has Epic ever denied anything related to Blue Box?
IntentionalPun
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It's not ludicrous at all.. he created an internet hype machine last June and Nuare contacted him to work on the game. They seemed to have liked the ridiculous conspiracy theory surrounding it and announced they were starting a program to help indies/help fund them.
Nuare Studio - Company News - Outsourcing Investing Co-Dev Codev
Being a small part of something amazing, really big, and very first in its category is a great achievement :). Hope you enjoyed the trailer and will enjoy the game!
nuare.com
I said right from the start Nuare getting involved could easily have been something free or literally Nuare offering funding and I was laughed at.. but then it became obviously true lol
The only "ludicrous" aspect was this idea that before Nuare got involved he had any real support studios lol... the only other studio he mentions sells cheap Unreal assets on their web site.. so.. eh likely bought some assets lol
And it's almost certain Nuare has bailed on this at this point. They were sent info on how much of a joke Hasan is, they played around for a while on reddit and whatnot joking about the conspiracy theory.. then.. nothing.. and deleted any reference to the game from their Twitter.
They want to duck and run and hide lol
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bitbydeath
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Did you also hear the one about how the unreleased Siren game he was caught playing was something he made, just for his nephew?
Also that stuff about the studios working with him for free not only sounds ludicrous but it also doesn't make sense together with the information regarding the financial status.
What do you think of missing deadlines and how uncharacteristic that would be if it was Kojima behind it?
Of course it all sounds ludicrous, Blue box isn’t a real studio.
bitbydeath
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They tweeted a response back when Blue box said they were using it, last year some time. Might have been a shrug or confused look or something.
THE:MILKMAN
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I seem to remember a high-up at Epic/Unreal Tweeting some sort of denial? Can't remember who, though.
May well be right about Nuare starting to branch out to indie devs but then why would the boss of Naure himself jump straight to doing a rather odd vouching for video for a indie dev they couldn't have known from Adam? Makes no sense.
If they genuinely were hoodwinked by Hasan then the least they could do is call him out now he's doing interviews and promising stuff again?
IntentionalPun
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Because they were attaching themselves to hype. On one day nobody knew Nuare existed on the next day they were being talked about as if they were a major support studio (they mostly have done concept art and despite many high profile projects have never been a "major" anything.) They expanded their hiring during all of this as well.. trying to grow their company.
And they clearly were aware of the conspiracy theory, which pre-dates them getting involved... their employees joked about the conspiracy theory on reddit and in responses to people on twitter and whatnot.
On the flip side.. explain to me how Nuare getting involved fits some "ARG"? A nobody studio throws their hat in the right briefly and seemingly bails.. to what end for an ARG?
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THE:MILKMAN
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Who mentioned anything about a ARG? I'm just questioning why Naure got so quickly involved with a unknown dev in the first place! Naive at best IMO.
Remember it has been nearly a year and there is still no evidence that Hasan even resides in Leiden never mind whether he really is a dev with a team. All we have are two hostage style videos and two weirdly filmed zoom interviews in a dank, nondescript room.
IntentionalPun
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Yeah I agree; they are kind of foolish really. They were quickly told all about the history of Blue Box and their shitty asset flip games. AKA Hasan's games, since nobody else has ever worked for or with him lol
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THE:MILKMAN
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If Hasan does turn out to be a lone chancer then we have to begrudgingly hand it to him. After a full year of this he puts up a poll on his Twitter that already has 43K votes.
Geoff Keighley (1.3 million followers) only got 97K votes for the recent SoP and 56K for the Hogwarts SoP.....That is some hustle from Hasan with his meagre 65K followers.
Geoff Keighley (1.3 million followers) only got 97K votes for the recent SoP and 56K for the Hogwarts SoP.....That is some hustle from Hasan with his meagre 65K followers.
A.Romero
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It's not ludicrous at all.. he created an internet hype machine last June and Nuare contacted him to work on the game. They seemed to have liked the ridiculous conspiracy theory surrounding it and announced they were starting a program to help indies/help fund them.
Nuare Studio - Company News - Outsourcing Investing Co-Dev Codev
Being a small part of something amazing, really big, and very first in its category is a great achievement :). Hope you enjoyed the trailer and will enjoy the game!
I said right from the start Nuare getting involved could easily have been something free or literally Nuare offering funding and I was laughed at.. but then it became obviously true lol
The only "ludicrous" aspect was this idea that before Nuare got involved he had any real support studios lol... the only other studio he mentions sells cheap Unreal assets on their web site.. so.. eh likely bought some assets lol
And it's almost certain Nuare has bailed on this at this point. They were sent info on how much of a joke Hasan is, they played around for a while on reddit and whatnot joking about the conspiracy theory.. then.. nothing.. and deleted any reference to the game from their Twitter.
They want to duck and run and hide lol
Nuare jumping onto an opportunity is believable but 6 or 7 studios? Even harder to believe that with all that support the only thing he could release was a video of something walking.
I heard of someone playing something related Siren but, correct me if I'm wrong, the only person that has seen it is Hasan and his nephew (if he even exists). For all we know it could be another app with a video running to make his nephew believe he is playing something, an asset flip, a mod or whatever. If you think about it, it could be the forest environment that was published last year and was running like shit. Can you call that Siren? Yes. Would you incorrect by calling it Siren? Also yes.
I would be more inclined to believe if had shown anything at all.
So, basically what you are talking is speculation while the FACTS show that he hasn't met any deadline or shown anything that could make an objective person think he is a capable developer... Basically the total opposite from Kojima.
IntentionalPun
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Right; all unnamed outside of Nuare and the one studio who sells assets on their web site for like $20...
Because Hasan is lying lol
bitbydeath
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A.Romero
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He’s been seen playing it.
Right but you know it could be any of the things I listed, right? With a Dev kit getting something like the screen is not that difficult.
Meaning: he could know how to get some code running on PS5 but that doesn't mean the code is any good at all. It could be just a picture, for example. Maybe some music if he felt particularly capable that day.
I mean, let's be real: It could be Kojima but it could also be just an idiot, right? Can you recognize that possibility?
It only happens that I think it's way more likely this guy is an incompetent developer who bit more than he could chew while you think it's more likely that it is Kojima behind all this.
bitbydeath
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Sounds like a BS excuse to me, if it were what you mentioned he could have said that too, it could have even been more believable, BUT he didn’t. It’s all for show.
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bitbydeath
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His nephew would also need a dev kit to play it.
A.Romero
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So the nephew is playing on another device but using Hasan's account? Huh...
saintjules
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bitbydeath
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It’s obviously a lie.
IntentionalPun
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Why does his dumb reason for it existing even matter?
It's because he has a dev kit. That's it.
bitbydeath
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It means you can’t base his actions on incompetence since he has been caught in a known lie.
Same with him stating Nuare were working with him for free, because they simply wanted to work with him. We know Nuare worked with him, so it’s not a matter of that involvement being a lie but rather the circumstance.
It all points to him being an actor.
And don’t forget the NDA on an app, not to mention other things. There is no NDA if he is an indie.
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kyliethicc
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Hasan is Kojima's CG nephew
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IlGialloMondadori
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Hasan is lying because he is lying, not because he is an actor lol.
Everyone with a ps5 kit has an nda
bitbydeath
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That prevents them from talking about their own work?
If it gives something in terms of the setup of the dev away, yes.
I personally think that Hasan doesn't know what is covered by the NDA and also was using the NDA as a cover to hide his naivety
bitbydeath
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I don’t think there are NDA’s for hardware, do you have anything that says that happens?
Badlucktroll
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There definitely is, Mike bithell constantly raises it in pwl and its way alanah doesn't show it. I will try to find a better source later today.
Dick Jones
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Everytime I see skateboards and Japanese games I think of Deadly Premonition 2. If a new Silent Hill is dependent on skateboard sales we're fucked.
IlGialloMondadori
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Can't wait to see Hasan up there busting some sick moves on these boards.
IntentionalPun
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Eh... you can be both, incompetent.. and a liar.
CityHunter1981
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What would be the fun in a ARG, if your stand in is a serious believable guy, that would be pretty boring. I mean look at America, was it in much better hands when Obama was in power? For sure, but it was for sure more entertaining when Trump was still in office..
If you do a ARG and you want to entertain people you surely wouldn’t put out Zwergs by a normal sounding person. I mean look at the ARG with Moby Dick studios, although it was much too short, this Joakim character was hilarious. Actually it was too insane to be believable. Hasan is the right level of being entertaining while still being able to fool people.
If you do a ARG and you want to entertain people you surely wouldn’t put out Zwergs by a normal sounding person. I mean look at the ARG with Moby Dick studios, although it was much too short, this Joakim character was hilarious. Actually it was too insane to be believable. Hasan is the right level of being entertaining while still being able to fool people.
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IntentionalPun
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Y'all have no idea what an ARG is lol
NinjaMouse
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Almost like how Ground Zeroes came out as a Prologue to Phantom Pain!? Hmmm...
Kdad
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Dick Jones
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Also playing a different characters in GZ and TPP, and MGS2 similar to Abandoned: Prologue and Abandoned: S______l where you play as Jason and his brother.
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bitbydeath
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But there’s no reason too lie, especially when the truth would not be a negative.
Eg. We paid Nuare for artwork vs Nuare understood we were indie, we didn’t have to pay them because they just really wanted to work for us.
Why choose option two at all?
IntentionalPun
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Because option 2 is true...
He's an incompetent liar, but he can't lie about literally everything since Nuare is paying some attention to this.
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A.Romero
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It's all possible if you want to fit all of this on the narrative that it is in fact an ARG and they are making Hasan appear as a grifter to misdirect... But it also could mean that Hasan is just a grifter and there is nothing behind it.
To me the second scenario is way more likely based on what we've seen so far. An ARG requires a leap of faith that is getting larger and larger by the day.
I can't remember any ARG that has lasted a year. Also can't remember a Kojima production with so little information and missed deadlines.
IntentionalPun
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An ARG requires a GAME being played.. that people interact with.
This is absolutely unequivocally not an ARG lol
Even if Team Real is right, it's not an ARG.
This is absolutely unequivocally not an ARG lol
Even if Team Real is right, it's not an ARG.
bitbydeath
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Everything has missed deadlines these days, we just had Zelda get pushed to next year and we’ll no doubt hear about more as the months go by.
If Hasan was a grifter he’d be getting paid already, this is not a Star Citizen situation.
Putonahappyface
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A.Romero
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How would you call MGSV early marketing campaign (
Right. There are two possibilities:
1) Blue Box Game Studios got Dutch government funding to operate (I remember reading about someone that did all the research but can't find it anymore, let's say it's just a possibility)
2) The scam wasn't intended to obtain money but marketing but got out of hand and he has been riding it and trying not to get burned (too late, IMO)