Swift_Star
Banned
Nobody ever claimed otherwise. This is not the gotcha you think it is.So you are saying MS made a good deal? I agree.
Nobody ever claimed otherwise. This is not the gotcha you think it is.So you are saying MS made a good deal? I agree.
I don’t think anyone believes this argument holds any water. Either way you look at it, you’re forcing the userbase to buy either an Xbox or a pc. That’s a really lame excuse. Before the acquisition, the games would come to PlayStation. After it, not anymore. This argument is pure BS.It's even less comparable because you don't need an Xbox to play any of the titles Bethesda makes. That was true before and after the acquisition. Who knows if you'll even play an Insomniac title away from PlayStation. It doesn't look like the Bethesda purchase should make anyone upset.
Bungie?Insomniac is more comparable to playground games. Insomniac was already mostly an exclusive playstation developer and playground games was already making exclusives for xbox. These acquisitions make sense. Bethesda and Activision is a whole different ball game. Sony have done nothing comparable to it and maybe they never will.
Bungie?
Lognor is back with his other accountIt's even less comparable because you don't need an Xbox to play any of the titles Bethesda makes. That was true before and after the acquisition. Who knows if you'll even play an Insomniac title away from PlayStation. It doesn't look like the Bethesda purchase should make anyone upset.
I think you are correct that it came to PlayStation first. Not sure how long until it was on pc. That said I disagree that makes PlayStation more important.Look how popular gears and Halo used to be and look where they are now. That's on Microsofts bad management of the ip. Sony and Nintendo ip are more stronger than they have ever been even though they've been around for a long time.
Yes it was. It was ported to PC later. Which means it was exclusive for a certain period. The period where it counts the most.
I think you are correct that it came to PlayStation first. Not sure how long until it was on pc. That said I disagree that makes PlayStation more important.
Are we at the point to dispute PlayStation was obviously the significant platform at that point in time for FF7 since it was the most popular console and the one that marketed the hell out of the game? Pc gaming had nothing going for it at the time and that port was trash. Please, this is revisionism.I guess that depends on where the sales are. That would determine which platform is more significant.
Are we at the point to dispute PlayStation was obviously the significant platform at that point in time for FF7 since it was the most popular console and the one that marketed the hell out of the game? Pc gaming had nothing going for it at the time and that port was trash. Please, this is revisionism.
This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.Are we at the point to dispute PlayStation was obviously the significant platform at that point in time for FF7 since it was the most popular console and the one that marketed the hell out of the game? Pc gaming had nothing going for it at the time and that port was trash. Please, this is revisionism.
He ain't wrong
People still having a hard time accepting that PlayStation is still the go to place for JRPGs.This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.
pc gaming was irrelevant on 1997. Let’s not pretend this is false, specially for JRPGs.
Swift_Star is 100percent right though. FF VII the original... came out exclusively on PlayStation in 1997. Consoles dominated the 90's by a landslide, followed by Arcade gaming. If you are refuting this then you clearly don't know your gaming history. That's NOT to say people weren't playing games like Duke nukem on PC back then. But lets not kid ourselves here CONSOLES absolutely dominated the scene and PC gaming really did not make a resurgence until the pre -teen 2000 era.
Yes it was. They weren't gonna let Starfield, one of the most anticipated games of the generation, not release on Xbox. That was likely the final straw. And then it turned out that a purchase even makes business sense, so they went through with it.
I guess the only thing that could be comparable if it does happen is if Sony buys Square. Unfortunately with Square selling off those devs and IPs they have a lot less franchises to give to Sony. I’m only aware of Final Fantasy. Not sure what else Square owns that’s significant.
It's even less comparable because you don't need an Xbox to play any of the titles Bethesda makes. That was true before and after the acquisition. Who knows if you'll even play an Insomniac title away from PlayStation. It doesn't look like the Bethesda purchase should make anyone upset.
Is this the 2% of the installed base of PC gamers?This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.
That untapped PC/Steam market you always hear about? They absent.
This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.
That untapped PC/Steam market you always hear about? They absent.
People still having a hard time accepting that PlayStation is still the go to place for JRPGs.
pc gaming was irrelevant on 1997. Let’s not pretend this is false, specially for JRPGs.
"thriving" Lol. noone said it was dead but thriving? come on are u serious? Most games werent even designed or available on PC back then, do u need me to start listing games? And NO im not talking about ports that came to pc years and years later........fallout, GTA, monkey island, dark forces, age of empires..... all released in 1997. irrelevant? lmao
maybe you weren't alive in 97 but PC gaming was thriving in the late 90s.
"thriving" Lol. noone said it was dead but thriving? come on are u serious? Most games werent even designed or available on PC back then, do u need me to start listing games? And NO im not talking about ports that came to pc years and years later........
Wheres your gaming knowledge?
No it wasn’t. Not even close. PlayStation was the beast and pc gaming was, yes, irrelevant. The biggest games of that time were released on PlayStation and n64.fallout, GTA, monkey island, dark forces, age of empires..... all released in 1997. irrelevant? lmao
maybe you weren't alive in 97 but PC gaming was thriving in the late 90s.
bro u only proving my point right now, those were very tiny markets at the time, Consoles were booming, and the list of games across all systems dwarf what pc had available.Half Life, Doom, Diablo, AOE, Starcraft, Everquest, Warcraft, Sim City.... entire genres were exclusive to PCs. Huge franchises that are still around today selling a ton of copies were birthed on PC exclusively in the 90s. Where's your gaming knowledge?
No it wasn’t. Not even close. PlayStation was the beast and pc gaming was, yes, irrelevant. The biggest games of that time were released on PlayStation and n64.
And funny you mention GTA… a game that exploded on the ps2…
bro u only proving my point right now, those were very tiny markets at the time, Consoles were booming, and the list of games across all systems dwarf what pc had available.
It was irrelevant dude, just the facts.Yea, PC gaming was not irrelevant. It just wasn't mainstream and the dominant platform that it is now.
Those weren't tiny markets. You're talking out of your ass. What do you think sold more copies? Starcraft or Crono Trigger?
u only proving you have know credible knowledge on what you are talking about right now man, and i like how u singled out crono trigger. Thats not even my point, but this discussion isnt worth my time since you are A. just being disingenuous or B. just not as knowledgeable as you think. So you pickYea, PC gaming was not irrelevant. It just wasn't mainstream and the dominant platform that it is now.
Those weren't tiny markets. You're talking out of your ass. What do you think sold more copies? Starcraft or Crono Trigger?
It was irrelevant dude, just the facts.
u only proving you have know credible knowledge on what you are talking about right now man, and i like how u singled out crono trigger. Thats not even my point, but this discussion isnt worth my time since you are A. just being disingenuous or B. just not as knowledgeable as you think. So you pick
Noone was rushing over to there friends house to play fucking starcraft, as much as even i enjoyed the game. But you know what people were going to there friends house to play? Sonic! MARIO! Final Fantasy! MK! Tekken! Marvel vs Capcom! and thats only the tip of the iceberg.
are we talking about the 90s or not fool? i like how u havent commented on the wiki info i gave you as well. keep trying tho. I know now not to take your posts seriously, You're not a gamer just a pc fanboy and thats fine.According to who? Games were doing huge numbers on PC back then. Idk how else you wanna define relevance. But PC gaming was alive and well in the 90s. It just wasn't the #1 platform like it is now.
Yea, nobody was playing Starcraft! Lmfao. They were selling out arenas to play Starcraft. You guys didn't have PCs, so nobody did. What a stupid way to go through life.
^irrelevant game that nobody played with their friends
are we talking about the 90s or not fool? i like how u havent commented on the wiki info i gave you as well. keep trying tho. I know now not to take your posts seriously, You're not a gamer just a pc fanboy and thats fine.
Just so you know though you budded in on rather or not PC gaming was relevant in the 90s conversation. Losing mass market to console and handheld sure sounds like it was relevant in comparison doesnt it?
so just to be clear, selling millions of games = having a larger presence than the console space in the 90's? im not trying to put words into your mouth so please inform us. This sub discussion that has been going on IS about the 90s though you do realize that right?I don't think you know what the word irrelevant means. The Ouya was irrelevant. The Vita was irrelevant. PC was spawning huge franchises and selling millions of games.
so just to be clear, selling millions of games = having a larger presence than the console space in the 90's? im not trying to put words into your mouth so please inform us. This sub discussion that has been going on IS about the 90s though you do realize that right?
Are you saying PC was the more popular way to game in the 90s over console/handhelds and even Arcade? lol...
Please think carefully!
So when you said "thriving" you actually meant declining as it loss massive market share?yea you'll notice i never said any of that. i said PC wasn't irrelevant in the 90s.
Just ignorant, absolutely ignorant but you goal posted to JRPGs so you know you spoke too broadly. It’s fine.People still having a hard time accepting that PlayStation is still the go to place for JRPGs.
pc gaming was irrelevant on 1997. Let’s not pretend this is false, specially for JRPGs.
Dude I still have my FF7 discs for PS1 that I bought on launch day so don’t come at me about “gaming history”.Swift_Star is 100percent right though. FF VII the original... came out exclusively on PlayStation in 1997. Consoles dominated the 90's by a landslide, followed by Arcade gaming. If you are refuting this then you clearly don't know your gaming history. That's NOT to say people weren't playing games like Duke nukem on PC back then. But lets not kid ourselves here CONSOLES absolutely dominated the scene and PC gaming really did not make a resurgence until the pre -teen 2000 era.
Ok well less popular than console/handheld/arcade, is that better?Just ignorant, absolutely ignorant but you goal posted to JRPGs so you know you spoke too broadly. It’s fine.
Dude I still have my FF7 discs for PS1 that I bought on launch day so don’t come at me about “gaming history”.
To call PC gaming irrelevant at any point is just ignorant.
So when you said "thriving" you actually meant declining as it loss massive market share?
using the word irrelevant is relevant in terms to what we are talking about, is PC irrelevant now? ofc not, but in the 90s as compared to consoles back then? without question. if you are sensitive about the word irrelevant we can use less popular. do you agree with less popular then? lets see now if you are being honest or notIs Pepsi irrelevant because Coke has more market share? You sound really dumb right now.
He probably didn't have the money to buy a PC or his was way old to play games.yea you'll notice i never said any of that. i said PC wasn't irrelevant in the 90s.
So is PS5 irrelevant and less popular than PS5?using the word irrelevant is relevant in terms to what we are talking about, is PC irrelevant now? ofc not, but in the 90s as compared to consoles back then? without question. if you are sensitive about the word irrelevant we can use less popular. do you agree with less popular then? lets see now if you are being honest or not
Popular, sure. I have no desire to look up and compare sales data or market share and that’s not my argument.Ok well less popular than console/handheld/arcade, is that better?
It's good to see Sony make some efforts in that area recently. MS has been putting out PC releases day and date for years now. Sony doesn't do day and date and we usually have no idea if/when a game will be ported. So there is still quite a delta between what MS and Sony are doing.Sony literally just announced Spiderman for PC, acquired a PC porting studio, and their execs have made multiple statements about expanding to PC.
Many PlayStation gamers ridiculed Xbox gamers claiming they have no exclusives because games hit PC at the same time. Now you are claiming MS is forcing people to buy PCs even though they don't even need an Xbox? This IS BS and I agree that argument certainly is.I don’t think anyone believes this argument holds any water. Either way you look at it, you’re forcing the userbase to buy either an Xbox or a pc. That’s a really lame excuse. Before the acquisition, the games would come to PlayStation. After it, not anymore. This argument is pure BS.
In the 80s and 90s each platform consisted of almost all exclusives. It really wasn't until the PS3 and 360 where the majority of third-party games were on all platforms.Street fighter, Mortal Kombat, Mario, Sonic, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Chrono Trigger, the list goes on and on and on, these games were not on PC. and u ppl really think PC was thriving over console in the 90s? cause of what quake and a few other select titles? lol im really not shitting on pc but stop being disingenuous about what that era was really about, if we are being honest PC was 100 percent a niche way to play in the 90's without question if compared to console and arcade scene.
its ok i already did it for you guysPopular, sure. I have no desire to look up and compare sales data or market share and that’s not my argument.
All you did was move the goal posts around.its ok i already did it for you guys
and you still havent proved it was more relevant than console, you are simply typing empty responses but here ill post this small tid bit for u again, there are plenty other articles about that era of gaming as well.All you did was move the goal posts around.
You can’t prove PC gaming was irrelevant then because it wasn’t, you are just trying to frame it differently to be right about something you didn’t even originally post.
There really is nothing more to say on this.
Noone was rushing over to there friends house to play fucking starcraft, as much as even i enjoyed the game. But you know what people were going to there friends house to play? Sonic! MARIO! Final Fantasy! MK! Tekken! Marvel vs Capcom! and thats only the tip of the iceberg.
I don’t have to prove that because I never said that.and you still havent proved it was more relevant than console, you are simply typing empty responses but here ill post this small tid bit for u again, there are plenty other articles about that era of gaming as well.
"Home computer games became popular following the video game crash of 1983, leading to the era of the "bedroom coder". In the 1990s, PC games lost mass-market traction to console games, before enjoying a resurgence in the mid-2000s through digital distribution on services such as Steam and GOG.com.[1][3]"
PC game - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I get the point you're making, but back then it was far more common for people to get together to play Starcraft and the like than you're making it out to be.Noone was rushing over to there friends house to play fucking starcraft, as much as even i enjoyed the game. But you know what people were going to there friends house to play? Sonic! MARIO! Final Fantasy! MK! Tekken! Marvel vs Capcom! and thats only the tip of the iceberg.
Yet no one mentions that...ever. Because it doesn't matter. It was timed exclusive for PS back then and that's enough for people to relate it with the PlayStation brand.Ff7 was not exclusive to PlayStation. It was on pc. That’s how I played it.