Swift_Star
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Nobody ever claimed otherwise. This is not the gotcha you think it is.
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FF7 Remake Removed From PS Store "Console Exclusives" Section.
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Swift_Star
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I don’t think anyone believes this argument holds any water. Either way you look at it, you’re forcing the userbase to buy either an Xbox or a pc. That’s a really lame excuse. Before the acquisition, the games would come to PlayStation. After it, not anymore. This argument is pure BS.
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Captain Toad
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Bungie?
SSfox
Member
Bungie was set to stay multiplate since the beginning, and FTC didn't need to enter the chat for that like with MS/Acti, Bungie was bought mostly for movies stuffs support and give their experience in GaaS stuff.
So it's still not comparable.
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GhostOfTsu
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Lognor is back with his other account
Imagine comparing Bethesda and Insomniac after Spider-Man and Miles were just announced on PC. You will be able to play it even on Steam Deck. Both already available on PS+ Extra and streaming too.
That argument is outdated. HQ needs to update your firmware.
I think you are correct that it came to PlayStation first. Not sure how long until it was on pc. That said I disagree that makes PlayStation more important.
MasterCornholio
Member
I guess that depends on where the sales are. That would determine which platform is more significant.
Swift_Star
Banned
Are we at the point to dispute PlayStation was obviously the significant platform at that point in time for FF7 since it was the most popular console and the one that marketed the hell out of the game? Pc gaming had nothing going for it at the time and that port was trash. Please, this is revisionism.
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Kilau
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.
That untapped PC/Steam market you always hear about? They absent.
Captain Toad
Banned
He ain't wrong
Swift_Star
Banned
People still having a hard time accepting that PlayStation is still the go to place for JRPGs.
pc gaming was irrelevant on 1997. Let’s not pretend this is false, specially for JRPGs.
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kyoji
Member
Swift_Star is 100percent right though. FF VII the original... came out exclusively on PlayStation in 1997. Consoles dominated the 90's by a landslide, followed by Arcade gaming. If you are refuting this then you clearly don't know your gaming history. That's NOT to say people weren't playing games like Duke nukem on PC back then. But lets not kid ourselves here CONSOLES absolutely dominated the scene and PC gaming really did not make a resurgence until the pre -teen 2000 era.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
If only to not need to worry about entering bidding wars with Sony for future Bethesda games, it was worth it for MS to buy Zenimax.
It was an extreme option technically, but if Zenimax were already shopping for a buyer, Microsoft seemingly wanted them enough to pay the most. Might as well take that opportunity when it presents itself.
Even if Sony bought Square-Enix there are some games they would pretty much need to keep on Nintendo Switch, like Dragon's Quest, Octopath Traveler and some other non-FF games like new Chrono games or the Live-a-Live & Chrono Trigger-style remakes.
So I think them owning SE would be closer to what they're seemingly doing with Bungie; not quite that level of multiplatform support but more than some people are thinking, at least when it comes to Nintendo support (unless Sony decide to seriously compete in the handheld space again).
But outside of Sunset Overdrive, Insomniac made games exclusively for Sony consoles. So any Xbox people who played those other games, were already playing them on PlayStation systems anyway.
Those Xbox gamers in your example aren't really losing anything with Sony buying Insomniac. If they were Insomniac fans, I can bet you they also had PlayStation consoles to play those games (and bought a PS5 to play future Insomniac games even before them getting purchased by Sony).
Technically speaking, PlayStation gamers aren't losing anything with Microsoft buying Zenimax since most of them probably have a smartphone and tablet so they can play those Zenimax games via xCloud, but it does shift their access point to something radically different and outside the traditional console market, which might be jarring for a lot of them.
ChorizoPicozo
Banned
Is this the 2% of the installed base of PC gamers?This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.
That untapped PC/Steam market you always hear about? They absent.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This is the peak today on Steam. Mega Flop.
That untapped PC/Steam market you always hear about? They absent.
everybody who really wanted to play it already bought it on EGS or pirated it
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
fallout, GTA, monkey island, dark forces, age of empires..... all released in 1997. irrelevant? lmao
maybe you weren't alive in 97 but PC gaming was thriving in the late 90s.
kyoji
Member
"thriving" Lol. noone said it was dead but thriving? come on are u serious? Most games werent even designed or available on PC back then, do u need me to start listing games? And NO im not talking about ports that came to pc years and years later........
Wheres your gaming knowledge?
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kyoji
Member
Street fighter, Mortal Kombat, Mario, Sonic, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Chrono Trigger, the list goes on and on and on, these games were not on PC. and u ppl really think PC was thriving over console in the 90s? cause of what quake and a few other select titles? lol im really not shitting on pc but stop being disingenuous about what that era was really about, if we are being honest PC was 100 percent a niche way to play in the 90's without question if compared to console and arcade scene.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Half Life, Doom, Diablo, AOE, Starcraft, Everquest, Warcraft, Sim City.... entire genres were exclusive to PCs. Huge franchises that are still around today selling a ton of copies were birthed on PC exclusively in the 90s. Where's your gaming knowledge?
Swift_Star
Banned
No it wasn’t. Not even close. PlayStation was the beast and pc gaming was, yes, irrelevant. The biggest games of that time were released on PlayStation and n64.
And funny you mention GTA… a game that exploded on the ps2…
kyoji
Member
bro u only proving my point right now, those were very tiny markets at the time, Consoles were booming, and the list of games across all systems dwarf what pc had available.
kyoji
Member
I didnt need wiki to tell me this, i already knew this cause i played games in this era along with my friends,
BennyBlanco
A personal computer game, also known as a PC game or computer game, is a type of video game played on a personal computer (PC) rather than a video game console or arcade machine. Its defining characteristics include: more diverse and user-determined gaming hardware and software; and generally greater capacity in input, processing, video and audio output. The uncoordinated nature of the PC game market, and now its lack of physical media, make precisely assessing its size difficult.[1] In 2018, the global PC games market was valued at about $27.7 billion.[2]
Home computer games became popular following the video game crash of 1983, leading to the era of the "bedroom coder". In the 1990s, PC games lost mass-market traction to console games, before enjoying a resurgence in the mid-2000s through digital distribution on services such as Steam and GOG.com.[1][3]
Newzoo reports that the PC gaming sector is the third-largest category (and estimated in decline) across all platforms as of 2016, with the console sector second-largest, and mobile / smartphone gaming sector biggest. 2.2 billion video gamers generate US$101.1 billion in revenue, excluding hardware costs. "Digital game revenues will account for $94.4 billion or 87% of the global market. Mobile is the most lucrative segment, with smartphone and tablet gaming growing 19% year on year to $46.1 billion, claiming 42% of the market. In 2020, mobile gaming will represent just more than half of the total games market. [...] China expected to generate $27.5 billion, or one-quarter of all revenues in 2017."[4][5]
PC gaming is considered synonymous (by Newzoo and others) with IBM Personal Computer compatible systems; while mobile computers – smartphones and tablets, such as those running Android or iOS – are also personal computers in the general sense. The APAC region was estimated to generate $46.6 billion in 2016, or 47% of total global video game revenues (note, not only "PC" games). China alone accounts for half of APAC's revenues (at $24.4 billion), cementing its place as the largest video game market in the world, ahead of the US's anticipated market size of $23.5 billion. China is expected to have 53% of its video game revenues come from mobile gaming in 2017 (46% in 2016).
en.wikipedia.org
BennyBlanco
A personal computer game, also known as a PC game or computer game, is a type of video game played on a personal computer (PC) rather than a video game console or arcade machine. Its defining characteristics include: more diverse and user-determined gaming hardware and software; and generally greater capacity in input, processing, video and audio output. The uncoordinated nature of the PC game market, and now its lack of physical media, make precisely assessing its size difficult.[1] In 2018, the global PC games market was valued at about $27.7 billion.[2]
Home computer games became popular following the video game crash of 1983, leading to the era of the "bedroom coder". In the 1990s, PC games lost mass-market traction to console games, before enjoying a resurgence in the mid-2000s through digital distribution on services such as Steam and GOG.com.[1][3]
Newzoo reports that the PC gaming sector is the third-largest category (and estimated in decline) across all platforms as of 2016, with the console sector second-largest, and mobile / smartphone gaming sector biggest. 2.2 billion video gamers generate US$101.1 billion in revenue, excluding hardware costs. "Digital game revenues will account for $94.4 billion or 87% of the global market. Mobile is the most lucrative segment, with smartphone and tablet gaming growing 19% year on year to $46.1 billion, claiming 42% of the market. In 2020, mobile gaming will represent just more than half of the total games market. [...] China expected to generate $27.5 billion, or one-quarter of all revenues in 2017."[4][5]
PC gaming is considered synonymous (by Newzoo and others) with IBM Personal Computer compatible systems; while mobile computers – smartphones and tablets, such as those running Android or iOS – are also personal computers in the general sense. The APAC region was estimated to generate $46.6 billion in 2016, or 47% of total global video game revenues (note, not only "PC" games). China alone accounts for half of APAC's revenues (at $24.4 billion), cementing its place as the largest video game market in the world, ahead of the US's anticipated market size of $23.5 billion. China is expected to have 53% of its video game revenues come from mobile gaming in 2017 (46% in 2016).
PC game - Wikipedia
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yea, PC gaming was not irrelevant. It just wasn't mainstream and the dominant platform that it is now.
Those weren't tiny markets. You're talking out of your ass. What do you think sold more copies? Starcraft or Crono Trigger?
Swift_Star
Banned
It was irrelevant dude, just the facts.
I’m pretty sure super Mario world sold more than all of those games.
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kyoji
Member
u only proving you have know credible knowledge on what you are talking about right now man, and i like how u singled out crono trigger. Thats not even my point, but this discussion isnt worth my time since you are A. just being disingenuous or B. just not as knowledgeable as you think. So you pick
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
According to who? Games were doing huge numbers on PC back then. Idk how else you wanna define relevance. But PC gaming was alive and well in the 90s. It just wasn't the #1 platform like it is now.
Yea, nobody was playing Starcraft! Lmfao. They were selling out arenas to play Starcraft. You guys didn't have PCs, so nobody did. What a stupid way to go through life.
^irrelevant game that nobody played with their friends
kyoji
Member
are we talking about the 90s or not fool? i like how u havent commented on the wiki info i gave you as well. keep trying tho. I know now not to take your posts seriously, You're not a gamer just a pc fanboy and thats fine.According to who? Games were doing huge numbers on PC back then. Idk how else you wanna define relevance. But PC gaming was alive and well in the 90s. It just wasn't the #1 platform like it is now.
Yea, nobody was playing Starcraft! Lmfao. They were selling out arenas to play Starcraft. You guys didn't have PCs, so nobody did. What a stupid way to go through life.
^irrelevant game that nobody played with their friends
Just so you know though you budded in on rather or not PC gaming was relevant in the 90s conversation. Losing mass market to console and handheld sure sounds like it was relevant in comparison doesnt it?
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I don't think you know what the word irrelevant means. The Ouya was irrelevant. The Vita was irrelevant. PC was spawning huge franchises and selling millions of games.
kyoji
Member
so just to be clear, selling millions of games = having a larger presence than the console space in the 90's? im not trying to put words into your mouth so please inform us. This sub discussion that has been going on IS about the 90s though you do realize that right?
Are you saying PC was the more popular way to game in the 90s over console/handhelds and even Arcade? lol...
Please think carefully!
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
yea you'll notice i never said any of that. i said PC wasn't irrelevant in the 90s.
kyoji
Member
So when you said "thriving" you actually meant declining as it loss massive market share?
Kilau
Gold Member
Just ignorant, absolutely ignorant but you goal posted to JRPGs so you know you spoke too broadly. It’s fine.
Dude I still have my FF7 discs for PS1 that I bought on launch day so don’t come at me about “gaming history”.
To call PC gaming irrelevant at any point is just ignorant.
kyoji
Member
Ok well less popular than console/handheld/arcade, is that better?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Is Pepsi irrelevant because Coke has more market share? You sound really dumb right now.
kyoji
Member
using the word irrelevant is relevant in terms to what we are talking about, is PC irrelevant now? ofc not, but in the 90s as compared to consoles back then? without question. if you are sensitive about the word irrelevant we can use less popular. do you agree with less popular then? lets see now if you are being honest or not
Vognerful
Member
He probably didn't have the money to buy a PC or his was way old to play games.
My PC at the time had only 100Mhz processor but I used to love the games I was able to run on it.
Also, his analogy is weird. Like I can use his own logic to say PS5 is irrelevant compared to Nintendo switch.
Vognerful
Member
So is PS5 irrelevant and less popular than PS5?using the word irrelevant is relevant in terms to what we are talking about, is PC irrelevant now? ofc not, but in the 90s as compared to consoles back then? without question. if you are sensitive about the word irrelevant we can use less popular. do you agree with less popular then? lets see now if you are being honest or not
Kilau
Gold Member
Popular, sure. I have no desire to look up and compare sales data or market share and that’s not my argument.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
It's good to see Sony make some efforts in that area recently. MS has been putting out PC releases day and date for years now. Sony doesn't do day and date and we usually have no idea if/when a game will be ported. So there is still quite a delta between what MS and Sony are doing.
Also there is a significant difference in purchasing a studio and fully funding the development of a title like MS is doing with Starfield for instance and paying a developer to delay or deny a title on another platform. Again Sony and MS are doing different things here and there is far less to be upset with MS over especially since again you don't need to buy their consoles to play their titles day one vs. wondering if a game will come out on PC years later if ever.
Many PlayStation gamers ridiculed Xbox gamers claiming they have no exclusives because games hit PC at the same time. Now you are claiming MS is forcing people to buy PCs even though they don't even need an Xbox? This IS BS and I agree that argument certainly is.
You have an option to play MS titles and not need an Xbox when there are many games non-PlayStation owners can't access without that system. Can you name even one title that was officially announced on PlayStation that was canceled once Xbox acquired a studio? Has MS dropped any support for any games already on PlayStation?
I'm thinking PlayStation gamers have it pretty good and get far more games MS publishes than Xbox gamers get PlayStation publishes. Add to it titles like Final Fantasy that Sony pays to keep off Xbox and its clear PlayStation gamers have NOTHING to complain about.
Captain Toad
Banned
In the 80s and 90s each platform consisted of almost all exclusives. It really wasn't until the PS3 and 360 where the majority of third-party games were on all platforms.
PC gaming was definitely a thing, but mostly for a completely different type of game and for a different type of gamer.
kyoji
Member
its ok i already did it for you guys
Kilau
Gold Member
All you did was move the goal posts around.
You can’t prove PC gaming was irrelevant then because it wasn’t, you are just trying to frame it differently to be right about something you didn’t even originally post.
There really is nothing more to say on this.
kyoji
Member
and you still havent proved it was more relevant than console, you are simply typing empty responses but here ill post this small tid bit for u again, there are plenty other articles about that era of gaming as well.
"Home computer games became popular following the video game crash of 1983, leading to the era of the "bedroom coder". In the 1990s, PC games lost mass-market traction to console games, before enjoying a resurgence in the mid-2000s through digital distribution on services such as Steam and GOG.com.[1][3]"
PC game - Wikipedia
AutumnLeaves
Member
What about me? I was indeed rushing to my friends house to play StarCraft. Fun as hell. And I was also rushing to play Tekken. They both were important.
Kilau
Gold Member
I don’t have to prove that because I never said that.and you still havent proved it was more relevant than console, you are simply typing empty responses but here ill post this small tid bit for u again, there are plenty other articles about that era of gaming as well.
"Home computer games became popular following the video game crash of 1983, leading to the era of the "bedroom coder". In the 1990s, PC games lost mass-market traction to console games, before enjoying a resurgence in the mid-2000s through digital distribution on services such as Steam and GOG.com.[1][3]"
PC game - Wikipedia
What you are quoting doesn’t backup the original statement that I had issue with, it’s actually irrelevant to the discussion.
Companion Cube
Member
I get the point you're making, but back then it was far more common for people to get together to play Starcraft and the like than you're making it out to be.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Yet no one mentions that...ever. Because it doesn't matter. It was timed exclusive for PS back then and that's enough for people to relate it with the PlayStation brand.