AJUMP23
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I know my joke is bad but don’t try to bury me under your stones. And I will try not to choke on my aspirations.
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BouncyFrag
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Romulus
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It's all part of the plan and balance, until it's not. The Sith were in control for decades, but goodness prevails and according to the plan. Just takes its sweet time. Faith, and mysterious ways to fill the gaps of bs. Lol
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Thaedolus
Member
Yeah Bubba, it’s a space wizards tale.
NecrosaroIII
Ask me about my terrible takes on Star Trek characters
That final episode was dumb as fuck. The moment I realized this show existed to "explain" why Obi Wan tells Luke Vader killed Anakin, I laughed. Way too heavy handed, even for a franchise known for being unsubtle. What's next? Are we going to have a show about why Luke didn't really want to bone the Princess because he could sense through the force that she was his sister, so that's why he never made a move?
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I got emotional a few times during the finale and I wasn't expecting it. Seeing
Kenobi and Vader about to have their next-to-last battle, and Obi hitting him with the line (this time delivered cold as hell) "I will do what I must" and striking the two finger stance. Then Qui-Gon showing up. So much emotion from when I was young, seeing episodes 1-3 in the theaters opening nights, all rushed back.
Edit: I wanted to mention why the two-finger stance was so memorable. Obi only gave that to opponents he absolutely believed had to die, or deserved to die. So to see him stand off like that Anakin was unexpected and emotional. I figured it would have been in a duel with Reva.
In the end I think the series was good despite its flaws.
Kenobi and Vader about to have their next-to-last battle, and Obi hitting him with the line (this time delivered cold as hell) "I will do what I must" and striking the two finger stance. Then Qui-Gon showing up. So much emotion from when I was young, seeing episodes 1-3 in the theaters opening nights, all rushed back.
Edit: I wanted to mention why the two-finger stance was so memorable. Obi only gave that to opponents he absolutely believed had to die, or deserved to die. So to see him stand off like that Anakin was unexpected and emotional. I figured it would have been in a duel with Reva.
In the end I think the series was good despite its flaws.
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Bad writing prevails in this show again. How could a mortally wounded character not only be up on their feet near enough straightaway but is halfway across the galaxy while Vader is still chasing Obi-Wan’s ship?
Also why does Reva go after Luke? I’m sure that all she heard in the hologram was that one of the children was on Tatooine, nothing to indicate that the kid was important or even Vader’s offspring. Was it just to flush out Kenobi again?
I’m also a bit wary of the power levels of Disney Jedi’s. In the OT the Force was used sparingly and I think the only incredible feat displayed was Yoda moving the X-Wing under great concentration. Now we have characters ripping the earth apart and flinging lumps of mountain at each other. Couple that with super Force speed and healing and you are approaching Dragonball Z levels of power. This power unbalance has been around for years I know but it’s been used as a deus ex machina for far too long. Hopefully the Andor show steers well away from the Jedi.
That being said though the last episode was enjoyable and was the best episode so far. They finally used some proper Star Wars music which totally elevated the scenes they were in. And it was great to see some favourite old characters. Unfortunately it was too little too late, the show could have been something so much better than what we got. As it was a story that didn’t need telling it’ll remain as fan fiction in my head canon.
Also why does Reva go after Luke? I’m sure that all she heard in the hologram was that one of the children was on Tatooine, nothing to indicate that the kid was important or even Vader’s offspring. Was it just to flush out Kenobi again?
I’m also a bit wary of the power levels of Disney Jedi’s. In the OT the Force was used sparingly and I think the only incredible feat displayed was Yoda moving the X-Wing under great concentration. Now we have characters ripping the earth apart and flinging lumps of mountain at each other. Couple that with super Force speed and healing and you are approaching Dragonball Z levels of power. This power unbalance has been around for years I know but it’s been used as a deus ex machina for far too long. Hopefully the Andor show steers well away from the Jedi.
That being said though the last episode was enjoyable and was the best episode so far. They finally used some proper Star Wars music which totally elevated the scenes they were in. And it was great to see some favourite old characters. Unfortunately it was too little too late, the show could have been something so much better than what we got. As it was a story that didn’t need telling it’ll remain as fan fiction in my head canon.
The Leia scenes hit harder than they should have, but I enjoyed her scenes from the start. The actress who plays her is surprisingly talented, and I won't be surprised if we see her in move TV/films in the future. That final scene between Obi and her was heart-warming and tear-jerking at the same time, and just...yeah. The fight scene between Vader and Obi, with Vader's mask splitting in two to reveal Anakin beneath, was awesome, and an excellent way to round off the series. Obi tapping into the Dark Force was cool to see. Ultimately, it was a bit of a slog, but the series ended on a high.
Ulysses 31
Member
Doesn't this show make is seem like Obi-Wan and Leia had a bigger connection and he and Luke ever did?
If anything Leia should be at least as sad as Luke is when Obi-Wan "disappears" in the OT.
If anything Leia should be at least as sad as Luke is when Obi-Wan "disappears" in the OT.
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Thaedolus
Member
Not really. There’s nothing to indicate he sees her again until episode IV (and I don’t think they even have a shared scene right? She just sees him allow Vader to kill him), while Owen finally allows “Ben” to meet Luke. And what does he do? Gives Luke his father’s saber, tells him of how they were good friends and teaches him about the force.
I think it stands that Luke has a stronger connection to the man who knew his father and taught him about the force than Leia who hasn’t seen him in half her lifetime.
Ulysses 31
Member
Still feels like that she should've been sadder when Obi-Wan disappears after seeing what they went through in this show.
Thaedolus
Member
Yeah I really wish her line when Luke rescued her was “Ben Kenobi?! I know him from the time I was ten and got kidnapped because Red Hot Chilli Peppers were between albums and Flea had nothing better to do and an emo youngling who survived order 66 tried to interrogate me at her base and anyway she tracked us to this other place where I hacked the space hatch open because I knew how to do that, so anyway I know Ben.”
That would’ve kept the show from breaking canon
Ulysses 31
Member
Getting force lifted to prevent your death should be a memorable moment, even for a child IMO.
I took her enthusiasm when hearing Ben Kenobi in the OT as confirmation that her message got through.
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Thaedolus
Member
Only a confirmation of Disney’s evil, Darth.Getting force lifted to prevent your death should be a memorable moment, even for a child IMO.
I took her enthusiasm when hearing Ben Kenobi in the OT as confirmation that her message got through.
Can't make an omelet without retaking a few Alderaan eggs, eh? Though I suppose you can hang that on Tarkin more than Vader.
Thaedolus
Member
Actually (awkshuueeeaallly) yeah that’s a good point…the empire and emperor were much bigger than Vader; they were going to do what they were going to with or without him. He seems skeptical of the whole Death Star project, from folding his arms looking at it under construction to openly questioning it in Episode IV.
I think it’s a fair point to say it’s dumb of Obi-wan to leave him alive again. But it’s also not out of line with what Luke did when he beat him down, then spared him once again, and finally Anakin did the right thing, which only he could do.
Yeah this part doesn't make sense. If her main motivation is to kill Anakin what is killing Luke going to achieve?
Thaedolus
Member
As soon as Vader learns his offspring lives he becomes obsessed with finding him to turn him and overthrow the emperor? Her motivation to harm Luke if she knew he was Anakin’s son (did she? I’m still not clear on that) is pretty easy to understand.
Kev Kev
Member
yeah that was a really nice touch. there were so many great moments in that last episode...
vaders music finally playing with him sitting on that throne, and just those shots of him in that throne room in general,
fantastic. the final exchange between vader and obi wan of course. the emperor calling out vader for his "weakness" was on point on so many levels. fucking qui-gon, finally!i know the series had flaws. nothing is perfect. but i cant help but feel like this show really had a lot of heart. hayden and ewan have an electricity on screen together thats undeniable. it was genuinely a pleasure to see them working together again and still do such a good job even after all these years.
Batiman
Banned
What a good episode that was. It think it fits perfectly into a new hope. Which was I was concerned about. Vader mask scene was brilliant. Thank god they had some dialogue in there because there was none in the first fight and none in this until the end. It was sort of pissing me off that Obi had nothing to say to him after fighting for half an hour. The last three episodes turned this whole series around for me. Very satisfied how it turned out.
Ahhh I only saw it as her using Luke as a trap (and so would need him alive) to get Anakin but considering how beat up she got from the fight, killing Luke and Anakin finding that out and suffering that way does make sense.
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lifa-cobex
Member
I enjoyed the nerd porn final episode.
The rest was a slog to get through.
Disney star wars has yet to come out with a half decent main story.
I just enjoy little moments from each film or series.
The writers really need to step away from nostalgia and create a new threat that's not based on Empire or Palps.
The rest was a slog to get through.
Disney star wars has yet to come out with a half decent main story.
I just enjoy little moments from each film or series.
The writers really need to step away from nostalgia and create a new threat that's not based on Empire or Palps.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They also put to rest that Obi-Wan wasn't a capable swordsman compared to others. He was right up there with Windu and Yoda. First few hits he had Vader double fisting (and I like they they separated the hands like holding a katana and not a bat), all the little touches. Obi's acrobatics with the saber were flawless. Felt like a more refined continuation of the Mustafar dual.
Thaedolus
Member
Small touch too was Vader articulating his second hand fingers when he switched to two hands. Almost like oh shit I haven’t done this in a while.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Final was the best episode BUT
Obi-wan letting vader life was just fucking stupid. Especially as he now realised his 'friend' is truly gone.
Reva still being alive and can still fight like that with a lightsaber hole in her body. Sadly they're going to probably make a spinoff with her character and it's going to suck ass.
Obi-wan letting vader life was just fucking stupid. Especially as he now realised his 'friend' is truly gone.
Reva still being alive and can still fight like that with a lightsaber hole in her body. Sadly they're going to probably make a spinoff with her character and it's going to suck ass.
ManaByte
Member
Don't think she'll get a spinoff herself, but she might show up in the second season of Andor as the Rebellion is getting started. Or maybe a much older Reva in Ahsoka or something.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
ManaByte
Member
He was going to kill him. He was about to deliver the killing blow...but then he saw Anakin again.lol well we all know Vader lives, so what did you expect them to do?
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
The whole Vader ‘unmasking’ would have had more impact for me, if it had not already been done in
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Also someone must have been cutting some onions around me, when Kenobi was telling Leia about her parents. That was well done and hit the feels in all the right places.
However all this shit made me think.
With Reva now knowing the existence of Luke, wouldn’t it have been prudent to maybe move Luke somewhere else? If Reva were to be captured and interrogated, then Luke’s location and possible significance could have been revealed.
What was Kenobi‘s game plan for Luke? To just sit back and have Luke rot away on Tatooine? By the time ‘A New Hope’ swings round, Obi-Wan is pretty ancient and a hermit, and Luke still hasn’t been told anything or taught jack shit.
If it wasn’t for Leia’s message and the Empire holding an impromptu BBQ with his aunt and uncle, Luke would have joined the academy. Would Kenobi have sat back and watched? Why wasn’t he brought before Yoda sooner for training? Heck, why did Leia think that Obi-Wan was her only hope? The dude was ancient so what did Leia think he could do against the Empire? Let the guy enjoy his retirement in peace ffs.
Rebels between Vader and Ahsoka
Also someone must have been cutting some onions around me, when Kenobi was telling Leia about her parents. That was well done and hit the feels in all the right places.
However all this shit made me think.
With Reva now knowing the existence of Luke, wouldn’t it have been prudent to maybe move Luke somewhere else? If Reva were to be captured and interrogated, then Luke’s location and possible significance could have been revealed.
What was Kenobi‘s game plan for Luke? To just sit back and have Luke rot away on Tatooine? By the time ‘A New Hope’ swings round, Obi-Wan is pretty ancient and a hermit, and Luke still hasn’t been told anything or taught jack shit.
If it wasn’t for Leia’s message and the Empire holding an impromptu BBQ with his aunt and uncle, Luke would have joined the academy. Would Kenobi have sat back and watched? Why wasn’t he brought before Yoda sooner for training? Heck, why did Leia think that Obi-Wan was her only hope? The dude was ancient so what did Leia think he could do against the Empire? Let the guy enjoy his retirement in peace ffs.
BlackTron
Member
It took me a while to come back to this show after Darth Vader let Obi-Wan go because scary wall of fire. I was so mad I didn't even keep up on the eps. Finally last night I caught up and watched 2 I skipped and the new one.
I'm glad to say the later eps have more good parts than the early ones. But there's still the uneven pattern of just plain stupid scenarios that it insults your intelligence. It really gets in the way of enjoying the better aspects. And the stuff that is decent, isn't even necessary, it's just fan service by whoring the characters out. It's monetizing Star Wars without adding anything meaningful to it, so the whole affair left an awkward taste even if I geeked out at the last fight.
Here's the issue with the last fight, it was cool but then ended on an utterly stupid note again. SPOILERS, Darth Vader was defeated and after some dialog Obi laments that his friend is truly dead. He then proceeds to repeat his mistake from Episode 3 and leaves Anakin alive. Only last time, he left Anakin to die, now that Anakin has had 10 years to prove he really would have been better off dead, Obi-Wan leaves him not to die but to pretty clearly get away and be rescued by the Empire. While canon locks them into both surviving the fight, they could have done it ANY other way than having Obi-Wan CHOOSING to let Vader get away, again. For example, they do the duel on a ship or facility and just as it seems Vader is really in trouble there's some explosion that forces them to become separated. Vader is able to crawl away to an escape pod or something and escape certain death by a victorious Obi-Wan. I just came up with that off the top of my head without trying and it's better than what Disney can do which tells me they must not care lol.
Ok so Qui-gon Jinn. Man I've been waiting for him to come back for a long time and expected it here. In a story about Obi Wan grappling with his past, feelings of failure, disconnection with the Force, and facing his worst fear, don't you think it was obvious to use this character to counsel his old padawan and make it actually meaningful? Instead, in typical Disney fashion they just tacked him on just to say "Hey look, it's Liam Neeson. You know this character from before, so we made you happy". F U Disney. I can write a better story than you just by trying to predict where yours is going!
Hayden badly needed anti-aging tech, he looked too old for Ep3, and it was supposed to be padawan Ep2 Anakin with the braid. I liked the scene but that was weird.
Overall a lot of okay ideas that added some good screen time for Vader and Obi, that didn't add much to the story and you have to suffer through a lot of badly written/acted/directed stupid parts to get to it. Overall a big meh from me with JUST enough redeeming value to watch.
It would have made a great Rogue One/Solo style movie. Sad.
I'm glad to say the later eps have more good parts than the early ones. But there's still the uneven pattern of just plain stupid scenarios that it insults your intelligence. It really gets in the way of enjoying the better aspects. And the stuff that is decent, isn't even necessary, it's just fan service by whoring the characters out. It's monetizing Star Wars without adding anything meaningful to it, so the whole affair left an awkward taste even if I geeked out at the last fight.
Here's the issue with the last fight, it was cool but then ended on an utterly stupid note again. SPOILERS, Darth Vader was defeated and after some dialog Obi laments that his friend is truly dead. He then proceeds to repeat his mistake from Episode 3 and leaves Anakin alive. Only last time, he left Anakin to die, now that Anakin has had 10 years to prove he really would have been better off dead, Obi-Wan leaves him not to die but to pretty clearly get away and be rescued by the Empire. While canon locks them into both surviving the fight, they could have done it ANY other way than having Obi-Wan CHOOSING to let Vader get away, again. For example, they do the duel on a ship or facility and just as it seems Vader is really in trouble there's some explosion that forces them to become separated. Vader is able to crawl away to an escape pod or something and escape certain death by a victorious Obi-Wan. I just came up with that off the top of my head without trying and it's better than what Disney can do which tells me they must not care lol.
Ok so Qui-gon Jinn. Man I've been waiting for him to come back for a long time and expected it here. In a story about Obi Wan grappling with his past, feelings of failure, disconnection with the Force, and facing his worst fear, don't you think it was obvious to use this character to counsel his old padawan and make it actually meaningful? Instead, in typical Disney fashion they just tacked him on just to say "Hey look, it's Liam Neeson. You know this character from before, so we made you happy". F U Disney. I can write a better story than you just by trying to predict where yours is going!
Hayden badly needed anti-aging tech, he looked too old for Ep3, and it was supposed to be padawan Ep2 Anakin with the braid. I liked the scene but that was weird.
Overall a lot of okay ideas that added some good screen time for Vader and Obi, that didn't add much to the story and you have to suffer through a lot of badly written/acted/directed stupid parts to get to it. Overall a big meh from me with JUST enough redeeming value to watch.
It would have made a great Rogue One/Solo style movie. Sad.
Ulysses 31
Member
That the writers came up with a situation where Vader escaped instead of being spared? Now anyone Vader kills from then on could be seen as blood on Obi-Wan's hands.lol well we all know Vader lives, so what did you expect them to do?
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Yep it would have been a perfect time for the inquisitors to intervene and save their master, forcing Kenobi’s retreat.
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PaddyOCanager
Member
Obi Wan accepts that Anakin is truly gone, even calling him Darth as he departs. In the OT Yoda and Obi Wan want Luke to kill Darth Vader, going so far as to not tell him the whole truth to make it easier. Luke is the only one who sees good in him and wants to save him.
It was a great scene though so I'm not trying to focus on the negative. They definitely could've handled it better though, like having Vader escape or something. If they had the balls to actually make an evil character, Reva could've saved Vader.
ManaByte
Member
It originally was going to. But then the dinosaur who was running Lucasfilm's marketing decided it was a brilliant strategy to not show ANY photos or footage of Solo until February when the movie released in May. They should've began the Solo marketing in 2017 instead of waiting until 2018, but again the dinosaur running Lucasfilm marketing at the time decided in her brilliant wisdom that only one SW movie was to be made public at a time.
BlackTron
Member
I'm aware of this which is why I lament it. It also turned what was probably a sweet Boba Fett movie into that weird container for Mando season 2.5.
Maybe you are right that the error was marketing, doubtless it played some role if not all of it. My take was always that everyone had franchise fatigue after Last Jedi and couldn't be arsed with Star Wars anymore. Spamming too many movies, and the most important ones were bad. The suits at Disney took it out on the stuff that was actually working.
trikster40
Member
Ok, if I was Qui-Gonn, I’d be like “WTF? I get stabbed and I die, but 2 people get stabbed and live? Nah, that ain’t right”
BouncyFrag
Member
I find myself switching between the first and third one. The casting of Ewan as Kenboi all those years ago was superb.
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He's more like "Do you REALIZE how many hot ass alien chicks there are getting freaky in the Jedi afterlife? BRB Aayla Secura just showed up!!"
ManaByte
Member
Ewan is Obi-Wan and the best casting of all time. He was the absolute perfect person to play him in the Prequels.
BlackTron
Member
It's been covered elsewhere in this very thread I think, but the idea is that users of the Dark Side can cling to life using their rage. It's a rather non-Jedi thing to do.
But the way it was handled in this show, was BS and made it a cheap trick. Like ok all Dark Side users can survive being impaled by a lightsaber now because like, they're mad. When it happened to Reva, it didn't even appear to me she was that incensed in the dark side or anger for Anakin. I would also think, it would only BARELY keep you alive until you got some serious help and future-grade-tech to stabilize you. How did Reva even get away and survive, nevermind heal, nevermind get to Tatooine, nevermind RUN around while chasing a kid, seemingly just after being made dead to Darth Vader's satisfaction.
A moronic joke of a show in too many aspects, hard to take it seriously. For every sweet bad ass moment, there are 2-3 more to insult the audience.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Makes so much more sense why she named her son Ben.
I have issues with Disney's Star Wars but I am extremely happy with their dedication to the Redemption of the Prequels. I guess Qui-Gon is going to teach Obi-Wan the Jedi Mind Trick, I don't remember him using it in anything before Episode 4.
I have issues with Disney's Star Wars but I am extremely happy with their dedication to the Redemption of the Prequels. I guess Qui-Gon is going to teach Obi-Wan the Jedi Mind Trick, I don't remember him using it in anything before Episode 4.
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ManaByte
Member
He used the mind trick in Episode II with the death sticks guy in the bar.
Qui-Gon is going to teach him how to become a Force Ghost. That's what Yoda was talking about at the end of ROTS. Obi-Wan hasn't heard from Qui-Gon since then, now his training will begin.
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Gp1
Member
As every one already said, the writing was all over the place. Disney don't even care to have a cohesive universe anymore. Sometimes I believe that the "multiversemania" contaminated every other Disney's franchise to a point that they don't need to do good writing because anything can be undone with some cheap Chekhov's gun narrative trick. RLM killed it when they said about the amber Jedis in the Inquisitors base. I'm already expecting some "second order" discovering that base and forming a "Knights of Ron" for the next trilogy.
Leia actress has talent but it's so strange to see everyone treating a 10 year's old Leia like if she was a rebel leader. And more than that, "torturing" the girl like if she would respond to interrogation or something. Not even going to comment the chase scenes of the first two episodes, almost every one of her scenes sounds like Disney screaming for the younger audiences.
Reva entire story arc could be abridged into half an hour of show time, and they killed screen time from Peter Quinn's inquisitor for it. Reva imho is another one of those negative charisma characters that Disney star wars gave us and even Moses being a good actress, she nailed it at Queen's Gambit, imho she was somewhat miscast here.
All that being said, we can say that the only thing that saves the show are the scenes with Vader and his interactions with Obi Wan. His three "action scenes" were awesome.
A nostalgic 4,5/10 for the first 4 and a half episodes.
And 7,5/10 for the last 1 and a half on behalf of the cool scenes, even with the bad writing and poor narrative choices.
So we have a "solid" 6 that, as someone said, doesn't leave a bad taste in mouth like the last two trilogy's movie but I can't care or hype for Star wars anymore.
Ok, just for Mando season 3 and winter soldier Luke.
Leia actress has talent but it's so strange to see everyone treating a 10 year's old Leia like if she was a rebel leader. And more than that, "torturing" the girl like if she would respond to interrogation or something. Not even going to comment the chase scenes of the first two episodes, almost every one of her scenes sounds like Disney screaming for the younger audiences.
Reva entire story arc could be abridged into half an hour of show time, and they killed screen time from Peter Quinn's inquisitor for it. Reva imho is another one of those negative charisma characters that Disney star wars gave us and even Moses being a good actress, she nailed it at Queen's Gambit, imho she was somewhat miscast here.
All that being said, we can say that the only thing that saves the show are the scenes with Vader and his interactions with Obi Wan. His three "action scenes" were awesome.
A nostalgic 4,5/10 for the first 4 and a half episodes.
And 7,5/10 for the last 1 and a half on behalf of the cool scenes, even with the bad writing and poor narrative choices.
So we have a "solid" 6 that, as someone said, doesn't leave a bad taste in mouth like the last two trilogy's movie but I can't care or hype for Star wars anymore.
Ok, just for Mando season 3 and winter soldier Luke.
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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
He used the mind trick in Episode II with the death sticks guy in the bar.
Qui-Gon is going to teach him how to become a Force Ghost. That's what Yoda was talking about at the end of ROTS. Obi-Wan hasn't heard from Qui-Gon since then, now his training will begin.
I forgot about Death Sticks guy. I know he was going to teach him force ghosting I just brain farted on the other thing.
kunonabi
Member
He used it in episode 2.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Qui-Gon: "I've always been here, you just weren't ready to listen. I'm like a space Jesus. Now cmon. I need to train you on a very particular set of skills. Also, I have a comically large penis - they even made a website about it".
Obi-Wan: "Right..... it's good to see you too, master....".
Obi-Wan: "Right..... it's good to see you too, master....".
Alex11
Member
Yes, I get this, and it makes a lot of sense, between them there are a lot of emotions, it would have been stupid from the perspective of his atachment to have Obi-Wan just put his boot on Vader`s face and chop him down.
But then don`t give me one-liners like "either he dies, or I die" and "I`ll do what I must". Although these lines could very well be like we say in the real world, sometimes we say a thing , and then do another.
I don`t know anymore, there were some amazing things in this last episode and it irks me that they could have gone all the way an make it even better.
Anyway, I think it`s best to see the positives and hope they see that these last 2 episodes are the way to go.