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[Ghost of Caelid]

I don't understand corporate bootlickers. Someone needs to tell him "You're scaring the hoes."

 

[rofif]

You should try to get Ghostwire Tokyo for the PS5. I’m playing it now and I kind of love it? Looks lush and the narrative is hyper mysterious which is totally my thing.

I am undecided what platform to get Ghostwire for though. Dualsense support is great but pc will have better performance although I've seen some complaints.
Think I will wait for some discount. I've seen it 50% on psn few times but I want the disc version

 

[veterangamerUK]

Lol this is bs.
Putting XSX on the same level as PS5 digital is a win for xbox because it's cheaper?
It's much more weaker than the reduction in price.
Also, I would much more prefer to pay 70 for good games than get used to getting free indie games all the time.
Some upgrades were free on ps5.

Anyway. I will say it
Xbox is bad for the industry. It is devaluing games, Phil is a filthy liar and microsoft buying everything is making the whole industry worse.
And they have no games

Your affection for a piece of plastic and some silicone is a tad worrying

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This is not a big deal. Internet gonna internet.

XBox was already going to take over the market in time. This won't hasten that fact materially.

 

[rofif]

Your affection for a piece of plastic and some silicone is a tad worrying

It's not affection for one piece of plastic.
Rather a repulsion of microsoft shady practices that slowly and surely destroy gaming...
And Sony is looking at them and doing the same thing. So microsoft influence will soon also kill Sony

 

[phil_t98]

Where are you getting this from?
healthy competition is good. Not this monopoly shit sponsored by daddy microsoft dirty money.
Normal competition would not destroy gaming. This does

But Microsoft is bad for the industry you said?

 

[GymWolf]

The price to pay to play games made from the ground up on ps5 folks.

 

[Topher]

Right now, how many exclusives Sony has announced?

Spiderman 2, Wolverine ... What else?

And whatever else they are working on but haven't announced. However shitty this is, nothing suggests there will be less games or extended cross-gen.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

MS was the bad guy last gen and this gen, Sony has done everything possible to wrestle that title from them. They are Apple now. Closed garden and price gouge.

Nah, you were not there during the launch of the PS3. THIS was the arrogant Sony. This is nothing now.

 

[phil_t98]

It's not affection for one piece of plastic.
Rather a repulsion of microsoft shady practices that slowly and surely destroy gaming...
And Sony is looking at them and doing the same thing. So microsoft influence will soon also kill Sony

You mean the same shady practices that Sony did to Sega?

 

[tommib]

For sure. I love TLOU2.
I am undecided what playtorm to get Ghostwire for though. Dualsense support is great but pc will have better performance although I've seen some complaints.
Think I will wait for some discount. I've seen it 50% on psn few times but I want the disc version

It’s half price now on PSN. You meant The Evil Within 2, right? If yes, then you’ll love it. Looks super lush on PS5 and it has proper DualSense support.

 

[nominedomine]

Right now, how many exclusives Sony has announced?

Spiderman 2, Wolverine ... What else?

Not much.

All other Sony studios are on a vacation as compensation for the beating they gave the competition in the last 20 years. It's all on Insomniac from now on.

 

[64bitmodels]

Playstation really lives in Xbox fanboys head rent free, pretty hilarious.

They are obsessed with Sony news more than Sony fans

You seriously do not wanna die on this hill

 

[01011001]

For sure. I love TLOU2.
I am undecided what playtorm to get Ghostwire for though. Dualsense support is great but pc will have better performance although I've seen some complaints.
Think I will wait for some discount. I've seen it 50% on psn few times but I want the disc version

you almost never hear Digital Foundry criticise controls in their tech reviews, but it seems the controller aiming in Ghostwire is so bad that even Digital Foundry saw the need to at least mention it in the video.

so I'd stay far away from the console version.
the UE4 stutters in this game also seem to be relatively minor

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Just showing their currencies are worth less than 2 years ago. A lot less.

Yea I don't think most people realize how jacked things are right now. It hasn't even been two years yet:

49,980 yen on November 12, 2020 was $475 USD. Right now 49,980 yen is $365. Even at the new higher Japanese price you can buy a disc PS5 for $400 USD.

 

[rofif]

You mean the same shady practices that Sony did to Sega?

you wish. Not even close the same caliber.
Sony WON with sega.
Microsoft is buying the industry and ruining it. They are for a long time.
-they introduced paid online (tbh, someone will sooner or later)
-tried to kill pc gaming few times with their gfwl crap
-stopped making good games
-destroeyed gears of war after the trilogy
-destroyed halo...
-Almost done destroying physical media
...and so on so on.

But the worst is gamepass and services. It is devaluing gaming. Making customers except free shit.. so it cannot be too expensive to put on GP. so The games are and will be getting worse and less.
And they buy everything. Monopoly like that is never good

 

[Banjo64]

Not much.

All other Sony studios are on a vacation as compensation for the beating they gave the competition in the last 20 years. It's all on Insomniac from now on.

Nah, they’ve all been attending inclusivity and diversity workshops for the past 12 months.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It's not affection for one piece of plastic.
Rather a repulsion of microsoft shady practices that slowly and surely destroy gaming...
And Sony is looking at them and doing the same thing. So microsoft influence will soon also kill Sony

Microsoft is destroying gaming by *checks notes* offering a shitload of games to everyone at a really good price point?

 

[Hugare]

And whatever else they are working on but haven't announced. However shitty this is, nothing suggests there will be less games or extended cross-gen.

Recently releases suggests so

The big hitters such as Horizon, GOW and Gran Turismo were all announced as cross gen

We still havent got a big name such as those as an exclusive for the PS5

Demons Souls and TLOU are remakes, Returnal a new IP from not one of the big 1st party studios, R&C is not a huge seller ...

I'll believe it when we have an Uncharted or something like that for the PS5

 

[jshackles]

I kinda called this last month when Meta announced that the Quest 2 was going up in price

Before, companies could reliably predict what the value of money would do over the lifespan of the products they released. When Sony and Microsoft landed on $500 for their new game consoles, they couldn't have predicted that global runaway inflation would happen immediately following that. Because money is worth less now than it was in 2020, Microsoft and Sony should be charging about $530 for those consoles now to make the same profit margin as they used to when they first released. And this isn't even taking into account for things like global chip supply shortages, increased transportation costs to deliver these goods to end users, and all the other factors that should be putting pressure on these companies to increase prices.

Facebook Meta, instead of just eating those costs, have decided to pass them on to consumers instead. The demand for these few-years-old headsets is largely irrelevant.

So - I'm not exactly surprised by this news. In fact, the most surprising thing to me is that they're NOT raising the price in the US.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

This is partly because console hardware revisions through node shrinks are becoming rarer and rarer, due to ballooning costs of more advanced process nodes.

Otherwise, Sony could have moved the PS5 to the 5nm EUV node and reduced the material costs that way.

If anything, this is an absolute nail in the coffin to the goons who thought a PS5 Pro was anything other than an utter fucking pipedream.

If they're increasing the costs of the base console, do you really think they're gonna launch a Pro model at an even higher, obscene price?... You must be on crack if so.

 

[nominedomine]

Nah, they’ve all been attending inclusivity and diversity workshops for the past 12 months.

Great, that way they won't end up like Activision with all the sexual assaults and shit.

 

[John Wick]

Record profits and putting the cost on the consumer. I regret buying a PS5 day one and supporting this company. At a point it just becomes blatantly predatory. On top of that not increasing price in US just shows that they will eat some of that profit if it benefits share. Inflation is a poor excuse for greed.

You could always sell your PS5 and games?
Or go one better and bin it. One less console for Sony to sell games to eh? That would really stick it to them.

 

[rofif]

It’s half price now on PSN. You meant The Evil Within 2, right? If yes, then you’ll love it. Looks super lush on PS5 and it has proper DualSense support.

yes, EV2... not sure why I wrote tlou2 (lov eit too)

 

[nominedomine]

This is partly because console hardware revisions through node shrinks are becoming rarer and rarer, due to ballooning costs of more advanced process nodes.

Otherwise, Sony could have moved the PS5 to the 5nm EUV node and reduced the material costs that way.

If anything, this is an absolute nail in the coffin to the goons who thought a PS5 Pro was anything other than an utter fucking pipedream.

If they're increasing the costs of the base console, do you really think they're gonna launch a Pro model at an even higher, obscene price?... You must be on crack if so.

PS5 Pro is 100% happening.

 

[Banjo64]

Great, that way they won't end up like Activision with all the sexual assaults and shit.

I don’t think sexual assault has anything to do with diversity or inclusivity

I forgot to mention that the training doesn’t actually cover anything apart from ‘feel good’ corporate tweets and how to take a picture for Twitter of all of your minority staff.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Lol this is bs.
Putting XSX on the same level as PS5 digital is a win for xbox because it's cheaper?
It's much more weaker than the reduction in price.
Also, I would much more prefer to pay 70 for good games than get used to getting free indie games all the time.
Some upgrades were free on ps5.

Anyway. I will say it
Xbox is bad for the industry. It is devaluing games, Phil is a filthy liar and microsoft buying everything is making the whole industry worse.
And they have no games

 

[Ristifer]

I'd try to muster up some kind of reaction about this, but I already had a PS5 and it collected dust. Maybe the price will be back to "normal" when there is an abundance of games to play on it.

 

[rofif]

Microsoft is destroying gaming by *checks notes* offering a shitload of games to everyone at a really good price point?

shitload of indie crap which I already have
devaluing the industry
monopoly....

WHAAAAAAA FREE GAMES OMG OM FREE GAMES LETS GO EVERYONE JOIN THE PHILL SPENCER FREE GAMES BANDWAGON

 

[ManaByte]

Sony WON with sega.

https://venturebeat.com/games/peter-moore-is-still-angry-about-sony-fuding-the-dreamcast/

https://www.gamesradar.com/peter-moore-on-how-the-plug-was-pulled-on-the-dreamcast/

 

[phil_t98]

you wish. Not even close the same caliber.
Sony WON with sega.
Microsoft is buying the industry and ruining it. They are for a long time.
-they introduced paid online (tbh, someone will sooner or later)
-tried to kill pc gaming few times with their gfwl crap
-stopped making good games
-destroeyed gears of war after the trilogy
-destroyed halo...
-Almost done destroying physical media
...and so on so on.

But the worst is gamepass and services. It is devaluing gaming. Making customers except free shit.. so it cannot be too expensive to put on GP. so The games are and will be getting worse and less.
And they buy everything. Monopoly like that is never good

You mean the time when Microsoft wasn’t in the industry and Sony were paying to keep tomb raider off other platforms?

Buying multi platform companies to make them exclusive?

So gamepass so bad that Sony came up with their own version lol laughable

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Knew it would pay to be in Day 1

Suck up that inflation bitches

But your games were probably more expensive than mine will be .

 

[Topher]

Recently releases suggests so

The big hitters such as Horizon, GOW and Gran Turismo were all announced as cross gen

We still havent got a big name such as those as an exclusive for the PS5

Demons Souls and TLOU are remakes, Returnal a new IP from not one of the big 1st party studios, R&C is not a huge seller ...

I'll believe it when we have an Uncharted or something like that for the PS5

Past games being cross-gen doesn't mean future games will also be cross-gen. We already know Spider-man 2 will be PS5 exclusive. I expect God of War: R to be the last cross-gen game. Either way, this price increase has no bearing on any of it. Way off, dude.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

shitload of indie crap which I already have

What's wrong with indie games? Also plenty of non-indies on it.

devaluing the industry

Or making games more accessible than ever. A win for the consumer.

monopoly....

Not even close.

 

[rofif]

You mean the time when Microsoft wasn’t in the industry and Sony were paying to keep tomb raider off other platforms?

Buying multi platform companies to make them exclusive?

So gamepass so bad that Sony came up with their own version lol laughable

you sheeple get your free games and go hug your phill.
Sony is following the money and it's a bad move. It's maybe a good move for making money but not for gamers and GOOD GAMES

 

[nominedomine]

I don’t think sexual assault has anything to do with diversity or inclusivity

I forgot to mention that the training doesn’t actually cover anything apart from ‘feel good’ corporate tweets and how to take a picture for Twitter of all of your minority staff.

Just realized you ommited two games from the Sony announced games:

God of War Ragnarok and TLoU Part I.

 

[AncientOrigin]

It’s not a big deal.The console is bought once so it’s not a big deal.In 2 years Sony will reduce the price like they always do probably by 100 dollars or even 150 if it should not sell that well but it will.The PS5 will sell exactly the like it would do at a price of 499.If Sony keep the PS5 longer in the market and reduce it’s price every 1-2 years the ps5 will do ps4 numbers easily

 

[DonF]

Oof good thing I already own one.

 

[Banjo64]

Just realized you ommited two games from the Sony announced games:

God of War Ragnarok and TLoU Part I.

Think that’s aimed at someone else bud, because I didn’t make the original comment you’re referring to

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

You could always sell your PS5 and games?
Or go one better and bin it. One less console for Sony to sell games to eh? That would really stick it to them.

One doesn’t but multiple people passing due to a price increase does. If the comp is offering a better deal overall it has impact.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lol this is bs.
Putting XSX on the same level as PS5 digital is a win for xbox because it's cheaper?
It's much more weaker than the reduction in price.
Also, I would much more prefer to pay 70 for good games than get used to getting free indie games all the time.
Some upgrades were free on ps5.

Anyway. I will say it
Xbox is bad for the industry. It is devaluing games, Phil is a filthy liar and microsoft buying everything is making the whole industry worse.
And they have no games

This is just as bad for the industry as anything Xbox has done. Phil might be liar, but how is Jimbo any different? The Horizon FW upgrade fiasco's FIX was somehow even worse than his original lie. He removed the cheaper PS4 version from the PS5 store and continued to sell the PS5 physical version at $70 where it sold 70% of the copies. Forcing consumers to buy cheaper PS4 version from the website instead of from the store is simply dishonest.

Taking advantage of your strongest markets like Europe and Asia instead of rewarding them with deals and freebies is just as dishonest. The price of goods doesnt affect the U.S?? Oh right, its because they are being outsold by the Xbox here the last 3 quarters running. So its obvious that the price increase is exploiting the userbase that has stuck with them for almost 30 years. How is that good for the industry?

And yes, Xbox has no next gen games so far but what next gen games has sony released since Ratchet in June of last year? What are they releasing until Spiderman in holiday 2023? 2.5 years with no next gen games? How are they any better? If Phil is a filthy liar then pretending TLOU remake is a built for PS5 game with PS4 graphics is what? the god honest truth?

The $70 price tag was supposed to cover the increasing cost of games. Did that help? No. They increased the price of the PS5 instead. If anything, id say that this is the direct result of what we saw last quarter when sales of first party software dropped almost 50% vs same time last quarter despite HFW and GT7 in their 2nd and 3rd months. Why? Maybe that $70 price tag is costing them sales. Maybe not day one sales, but definitely the legs arent there for these expensive games. So now they have to cover the cost by increasing the price of the one commodity that everyone does still want to buy, their console.

Xbox isnt bad for the industry. PS5 isnt bad for the industry. Neither is Switch despite what I think about its specs. Whats bad for the industry are individual policies by Sony, MS and Nintendo that exploit their own userbases. They treat them with disdain releasing $60 remasters like Skyward Sword, by shipping digital only consoles with just 350 GB of storage space, by taking advantage of demand in an age where they are making record profits while infaltion affects everyday people who are not making record profits.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It’s not a big deal.The console is bought once so it’s not a big deal.In 2 years Sony will reduce the price like they always do probably by 100 dollars or even 150 if it should not sell that well but it will.The PS5 will sell exactly the like it would do at a price of 499.If Sony keep the PS5 longer in the market and reduce it’s price every 1-2 years the ps5 will do ps4 numbers easily

Definitely seeing an overreaction in this threads from lots of green folks that likely never wanted a ps5 to begin with

Should consumers like a price hike? No

Is Sony unjustified here? No. Inflation costs are impacting the price and they are passing it along to consumers

I fully expect Nintendo to follow suit in some capacity

Microsoft? Let’s not pretend they have the same constraints. If it weren’t for their monopoly from windows and office, they would not have the ability to do many of the things they do.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul, you turn a blind eye to price gouging and monopolies in their other business lines which allows them to eat higher losses in gaming

 

[rofif]

This is just as bad for the industry as anything Xbox has done. Phil might be liar, but how is Jimbo any different? The Horizon FW upgrade fiasco's FIX was somehow even worse than his original lie. He removed the cheaper PS4 version from the PS5 store and continued to sell the PS5 physical version at $70 where it sold 70% of the copies. Forcing consumers to buy cheaper PS4 version from the website instead of from the store is simply dishonest.

Taking advantage of your strongest markets like Europe and Asia instead of rewarding them with deals and freebies is just as dishonest. The price of goods doesnt affect the U.S?? Oh right, its because they are being outsold by the Xbox here the last 3 quarters running. So its obvious that the price increase is exploiting the userbase that has stuck with them for almost 30 years. How is that good for the industry?

And yes, Xbox has no next gen games so far but what next gen games has sony released since Ratchet in June of last year? What are they releasing until Spiderman in holiday 2023? 2.5 years with no next gen games? How are they any better? If Phil is a filthy liar then pretending TLOU remake is a built for PS5 game with PS4 graphics is what? the god honest truth?

The $70 price tag was supposed to cover the increasing cost of games. Did that help? No. They increased the price of the PS5 instead. If anything, id say that this is the direct result of what we saw last quarter when sales of first party software dropped almost 50% vs same time last quarter despite HFW and GT7 in their 2nd and 3rd months. Why? Maybe that $70 price tag is costing them sales. Maybe not day one sales, but definitely the legs arent there for these expensive games. So now they have to cover the cost by increasing the price of the one commodity that everyone does still want to buy, their console.

Xbox isnt bad for the industry. PS5 isnt bad for the industry. Neither is Switch despite what I think about its specs. Whats bad for the industry are individual policies by Sony, MS and Nintendo that exploit their own userbases. They treat them with disdain releasing $60 remasters like Skyward Sword, by shipping digital only consoles with just 350 GB of storage space, by taking advantage of demand in an age where they are making record profits while infaltion affects everyday people who are not making record profits.

Jimbo is an asshole too. Minmaxing the company...
But the way people are loving Phil is worrying. He is a wolf in a sheep's clothing but people follow promises and free games.
Jimbo is at least your usual crook

 

[nominedomine]

This is just as bad for the industry as anything Xbox has done. Phil might be liar, but how is Jimbo any different? The Horizon FW upgrade fiasco's FIX was somehow even worse than his original lie. He removed the cheaper PS4 version from the PS5 store and continued to sell the PS5 physical version at $70 where it sold 70% of the copies. Forcing consumers to buy cheaper PS4 version from the website instead of from the store is simply dishonest.

Taking advantage of your strongest markets like Europe and Asia instead of rewarding them with deals and freebies is just as dishonest. The price of goods doesnt affect the U.S?? Oh right, its because they are being outsold by the Xbox here the last 3 quarters running. So its obvious that the price increase is exploiting the userbase that has stuck with them for almost 30 years. How is that good for the industry?

And yes, Xbox has no next gen games so far but what next gen games has sony released since Ratchet in June of last year? What are they releasing until Spiderman in holiday 2023? 2.5 years with no next gen games? How are they any better? If Phil is a filthy liar then pretending TLOU remake is a built for PS5 game with PS4 graphics is what? the god honest truth?

The $70 price tag was supposed to cover the increasing cost of games. Did that help? No. They increased the price of the PS5 instead. If anything, id say that this is the direct result of what we saw last quarter when sales of first party software dropped almost 50% vs same time last quarter despite HFW and GT7 in their 2nd and 3rd months. Why? Maybe that $70 price tag is costing them sales. Maybe not day one sales, but definitely the legs arent there for these expensive games. So now they have to cover the cost by increasing the price of the one commodity that everyone does still want to buy, their console.

Xbox isnt bad for the industry. PS5 isnt bad for the industry. Neither is Switch despite what I think about its specs. Whats bad for the industry are individual policies by Sony, MS and Nintendo that exploit their own userbases. They treat them with disdain releasing $60 remasters like Skyward Sword, by shipping digital only consoles with just 350 GB of storage space, by taking advantage of demand in an age where they are making record profits while infaltion affects everyday people who are not making record profits.

Europe and Asia were denied freebies? The horror.

 

[veterangamerUK]

Your affection for a piece of plastic and some silicone is a tad worrying

SaltyPopsicle gives ME a fire response when I was replying to a post full of inaccuracies and console-baiting? This place......

 

[Stuart360]

I like the way this is a thread about Sony raising the price of PS5, and yet somehow the thread has turned into another 'lets deflect by attacking Xbox' thread.
I suppose somehow this price hike is Microsofts fault?.

Never change fanboys.

 

[ManaByte]

I fully expect Nintendo to follow suit in some capacity

Why? The Switch has been profitable for Nintendo from day 1. They have a higher priced version already on shelves. There's no reason for them to increase the price.

 

[phil_t98]

you sheeple get your free games and go hug your phill.
Sony is following the money and it's a bad move. It's maybe a good move for making money but not for gamers and GOOD GAMES

sheeple? we aint the ones defending the company that makes the most out of gaming and then raises the prices and then raises the price of the console

so no other company makes GOOD games only Sony?

when its pointed out that Sony has done everything Microsoft is doing the goal posts are moved and you have to insult because have no answer to it and you know am right

 

[Banjo64]

Why? The Switch has been profitable for Nintendo from day 1. They have a higher priced version already on shelves. There's no reason for them to increase the price.

There was no reason for Sony to either.