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Elon Musk and the Twitter acquisition saga

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kyussman

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Just a quick note to anyone here who is concerned about the Musk takeover and is worried about Twitter's future......I know of this awesome site called Resetera.....it's full of leftists,trans types,queers and every type of far left lunatic you can imagine.....they endorse child mutilation,trans ideology,communism,the destruction of western democracy and lots more great stuff.....go check them out and once your account is approved I suggest your first thread be something like...Trans women are Men...that should really get the debate started,they love a good debate over there.Good Luck!
 
Tams

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Aggelos said:
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All my personal data they say?

Fucking lol. People who carelessly shared too much are now facing the consequences. He can have my shitposts and winding up of CCP and Russian trolls all he wants.

Now, could our master EviLore EviLore sell up, giving others 'our' data here? Sure, and I've shared more on here than I have elsewhere. I've done that knowing he could do that though.
 
LegendOfKage

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Cyberpunkd said:
How many peer-reviewed papers he has published and when was the last one?
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I think he published quite a lot of them, as in one of the most published psychologists in Canada before he started talking about gender and trans issues. He also taught at Harvard.

I find myself disagreeing with the man lately on several of the things he's said and done recently*, but I always think acknowledging someone's accomplishments while criticizing their opinions or actions strengthens your argument rather than weakening it. I don't understand why more people don't seem to feel that way.

* I'm not going to go into details, because that's not the topic of this thread. You asked a question, so I thought I'd answer, but we should probably keep the thread focused on Musk and Twitter.
 
Cyberpunkd

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LegendOfKage said:
I think he published quite a lot of them, as in one of the most published psychologists in Canada before he started talking about gender and trans issues. He also taught at Harvard.

I find myself disagreeing with the man lately on several of the things he's said and done recently*, but I always think acknowledging someone's accomplishments while criticizing their opinions or actions strengthens your argument rather than weakening it. I don't understand why more people don't seem to feel that way.

* I'm not going to go into details, because that's not the topic of this thread. You asked a question, so I thought I'd answer, but we should probably keep the thread focused on Musk and Twitter.
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Fair and nuanced response, thank you. I am just automatically hesitant towards charismatic people distilling their wisdom - most of the time there is an agenda behind it, and not the most benevolent one.
 
E-Cat

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Lukaku's First Touch said:
What a joke. Talking about how he loves civilization and not doing it for the money. He has no problem throwing a whole country (make that 2 including Taiwan) under the bus for Hitlers and stop supporting it with his internet tech because it's coming out of his endless deep pockets. sure Elon.

I love how the twitter freaks are going crazy so he gets points for that.
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Sounds like the Ukrainian government appreciates him, though

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LegendOfKage said:
I think he published quite a lot of them, as in one of the most published psychologists in Canada before he started talking about gender and trans issues. He also taught at Harvard.

I find myself disagreeing with the man lately on several of the things he's said and done recently*, but I always think acknowledging someone's accomplishments while criticizing their opinions or actions strengthens your argument rather than weakening it. I don't understand why more people don't seem to feel that way.

* I'm not going to go into details, because that's not the topic of this thread. You asked a question, so I thought I'd answer, but we should probably keep the thread focused on Musk and Twitter.
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We need to stop treating people like infallible gurus. Disagreement on some points is absolutely normal between people, especially over inherently divisive topics.

It feels like everything these days goes from disagreement over a single issue straight to ad-hominem. Seems like nobody is interested in dialogue or debate, just dominance.
 
cormack12

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We need to stop treating people like infallible gurus. Disagreement on some points is absolutely normal between people, especially over inherently divisive topics.

It feels like everything these days goes from disagreement over a single issue straight to ad-hominem. Seems like nobody is interested in dialogue or debate, just dominance.
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From a young age it would be more beneficial if children were taught how to handle being wrong gracefully, instead of making it an ego battle and latching onto any spurious data/source (that they probably know is questionable but supports their being right).

Should also be taught how to apologise. They are both acquired skills but hardly anyone practises them enough to become accepting of them.
 
LegendOfKage

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Cyberpunkd said:
Fair and nuanced response, thank you. I am just automatically hesitant towards charismatic people distilling their wisdom - most of the time there is an agenda behind it, and not the most benevolent one.
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And thank you. If I can get a little philosophical for a moment, I feel the vast majority of people have the most charitable view of themselves and their own actions. That's why it's so difficult to strongly criticize people in the first place. Because if they know they're a good person, and you feel the opposite way that they do, then that makes you the bad person. I think nearly everyone is a benevolent actor in their own mind, and very few comparatively get a sense of importance or power by intentionally lying to others. If anything, I think people are much more likely to lie to themselves, and create exceptions for their own behavior that they would not allow for others.

That realization has helped me develop my own much more charitable view of humanity. You might consider it an alternative to distrusting people, if you find yourself feeling that way often.
 
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cormack12 said:
From a young age it would be more beneficial if children were taught how to handle being wrong gracefully, instead of making it an ego battle and latching onto any spurious data/source (that they probably know is questionable but supports their being right).

Should also be taught how to apologise. They are both acquired skills but hardly anyone practises them enough to become accepting of them.
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100% agree on the ego-battle aspect. Its a depressingly juvenile way to interact, and scarily something that many people who really, really, ought to know better willingly go along with.
 
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FunkMiller

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The Verge can be fucking insufferable, but there’s some decent points in this article:



TLDR… Elon has bought himself a whole lot of trouble. Twitter is a fucking hellscape of competing ideologies fuelled by utter fucking dickheads of all political stripes, alongside asinine corporate bullshittery that wants to simultaneously take advantage of those ideologies, and run away from them the instant they sour the brand.

Good fucking luck, lad 😂
 
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FunkMiller said:
The Verge can be fucking insufferable, but there’s some decent points in this article:



TLDR… Elon has bought himself a whole lot of trouble. Twitter is a fucking hellscape of competing ideologies fuelled by utter fucking dickheads of all political stripes, alongside asinine corporate bullshittery that wants to simultaneously take advantage of those ideologies, and run away from them the instant they sour the brand.

Good fucking luck, lad 😂
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Competing ideologies is only a hellscape for the weak minded, and I don’t believe many are remotely concerned about it. For those that truly are, give the guy a chance to figure out how to let people mute who they think are crazy and problem solved. If you want the problem solved of course,

Also, I’m calling bullshit on 99% of people feigning abhorrence at letting people speak. 99% are just raging about their fear of losing power. Extolling moral superiority and getting others kicked off the platform is a dopamine hit they don’t want to lose. That is all this is. Simple addiction to power.
 
nightmare-slain

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lol i fell for the fired dude with the "i gotta touch base with my husband and wife" line.

say what you want about Musk but he's a god damn good troll. i'd like to think if i was rolling in billions i'd get up to stupid shit like this too just to mess with people. the sink situation and the touch base dude were hilarious.
 
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FunkMiller

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NickFire said:
Competing ideologies is only a hellscape for the weak minded, and I don’t believe many are remotely concerned about it. For those that truly are, give the guy a chance to figure out how to let people mute who they think are crazy and problem solved. If you want the problem solved of course,

Also, I’m calling bullshit on 99% of people feigning abhorrence at letting people speak. 99% are just raging about their fear of losing power. Extolling moral superiority and getting others kicked off the platform is a dopamine hit they don’t want to lose. That is all this is. Simple addiction to power.
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Well, true. But corrupting or antisocial ideologies are often also extolled and pushed by the weak minded. You need only look at the various conspiracy theories that are pushed on twitter every day. Some moderation has to exist in any public forum, to both protect these folks, and prevent the more insidious among them spreading misinformation to others. It's just how well that moderation is executed that is the problem. One would hope Musk's intention is to maintain a sensible and balanced group of individuals to oversee the site moving forward. It's not going to be an easy job, that's for certain.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

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The point is, I think, is that he didn't invent anything himself. He was born wealthy and paid his way up, taking the credit for those he stood on the shoulders of. He is not an engineer or scientist, he contributed nothing to these achievements aside from money and, from reports, abusive managing techniques. In regards to SpaceX he merely repeated the same observations thousands of others did before him, realizing that the way governments were going about space travel was unsustainable and needed private sector interjection. It was far from some insightful or new idea - people had been petitioning the USA and Russia for that since like 1996.

But off course he is a savvy businessman. Otherwise he wouldn't be the richest man in the world. But don't mistake financial smartness with any other vocation.
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This is pretty much spot on. I've never understood people dick riding musk. He also has a track record of awful projects that have gotten nowhere fast like the hyperloop - something that was impossible to be made because containing such a vacuum is not really feasible and he floated it just to derail california's speed train project, behaving just like every other car company in america (torpedoing public transport). Not like he needed to do it anyways because california politicians are more than capable of torpedoing the project themselves, which they did.

People who have a vendetta on twitter because of their moderation policies and believe that the winds are about to turn, well, we don't know yet which way they will turn. Musk didn't buy twitter himself, he brought in a bunch of capital partners with him and it is reasonable to believe these people want a return on their investment, both finantial and in terms of influence.
 
StreetsofBeige

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Bitmap Frogs said:
This is pretty much spot on. I've never understood people dick riding musk. He also has a track record of awful projects that have gotten nowhere fast like the hyperloop - something that was impossible to be made because containing such a vacuum is not really feasible and he floated it just to derail california's speed train project, behaving just like every other car company in america (torpedoing public transport). Not like he needed to do it anyways because california politicians are more than capable of torpedoing the project themselves, which they did.

People who have a vendetta on twitter because of their moderation policies and believe that the winds are about to turn, well, we don't know yet which way they will turn. Musk didn't buy twitter himself, he brought in a bunch of capital partners with him and it is reasonable to believe these people want a return on their investment, both finantial and in terms of influence.
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Reason why people love Musk is probably down to two things:

1. Electric cars are a big thing and eco-supporters are loud telling the whole world gas cars are bad. The more PR Tesla gets the more PR Musk gets

2. Musk is arguably the most outspoken CEO out there among Fortune 500 execs. He's always doing witty Tweets riling up feathers. On the other hand, how many CEOs do people know from the other 499 companies. I bet for most people, they cant even name one. At most maybe 5 and I bet all of them are tech company people. If you look at any biggest company list there's tons of energy, pharma and banking companies. 99% of people cant even name one CEO from them.
 
funkygunther

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StreetsofBeige said:
Reason why people love Musk is probably down to two things:

1. Electric cars are a big thing and eco-supporters are loud telling the whole world gas cars are bad. The more PR Tesla gets the more PR Musk gets

2. Musk is arguably the most outspoken CEO out there among Fortune 500 execs. He's always doing witty Tweets riling up feathers. On the other hand, how many CEOs do people know from the other 499 companies. I bet for most people, they cant even name one. At most maybe 5 and I bet all of them are tech company people. If you look at any biggest company list there's tons of energy, pharma and banking companies. 99% of people cant even name one CEO from them.
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point 2 is just about Twitter because his personality changes depending on which company he is promoting that day, and as far as Twitter goes it's just about triggering the libs, reality of the situation doesn't play into it...it's not specifically about him being a CEO, just someone with some celebrity clout
 
LegendOfKage

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FunkMiller

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DeepEnigma said:
"Alexa, don't record this."
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Dollars to donuts whoever wrote that tweet has got an Echo at their home somewhere.

My flat is covered with them, and I don’t give a shit, because all they want to do with my information is sell me more stuff.

The idea that anyone wants any of our details for nefarious government purposes is utterly silly bullshit.
 
StreetsofBeige

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FunkMiller said:
Dollars to donuts whoever wrote that tweet has got an Echo at their home somewhere.

My flat is covered with them, and I don’t give a shit, because all they want to do with my information is sell me more stuff.

The idea that anyone wants any of our details for nefarious government purposes is utterly silly bullshit.
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Agreed.

Companies gobbling up data is going to used to sales and marketing. The chances of a rebel worker trying to take that data and dox or steal your identity is ultra low.

Amazingly, the people who are against all of this as if it's a giant conspiracy seem to have no problem with the fact all financial institutions have access to all your loans and debt on file no matter where you have it. And then based on your payback history, it all gets compiled into a credit rating and shared again. When I got a mortgage years back the lender even said I needed to pay off my CC bill on file as he could see the amount. He told me to wipe my slate clean of debt by paying off the something like $1,024 of Mastercard bills I had.

Yet, nobody seems to care about any rebel office workers stealing your bank and CC info and draining your accounts.
 
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Thaedolus

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DeepEnigma said:
Talk about disingenuous gaslighting, lol.
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Who has “all of their data” on Twitter?

I’m pretty ambivalent about this whole thing…I think people acting like Elon is their lord and savior are just as dumb as the people acting like he’s going to unleash Armageddon…but if anyone takes Twitter so seriously they’ve got their medical history on the site, they’ve got bigger problems to worry about
 
ManaByte

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cormack12 said:
How long before she is back then?

We gonna go with 5 days? 12 days?
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Within 30 days, When you deactivate an account it just goes into a pending state and isn't gone until 30 days have passed. After that her account name, followers, and verification badge are gone forever. I'm sure her manager has told her to set a reminder to quietly reactivate before that 30 day deadline passes.
 
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Honestly I don't hate the general idea although it's obviously easy to fuck it up depending on who's on that council. But pretty much anything seems superior to black box decision making by Twitter. Democratizing that process with a council with diverse views could be a good idea. Generally, I think it should probably get harder to get kicked off social media. People need to learn to deal with opposing views, almost no matter how heinous. Everybody's gotten incredibly soft and the tendency to dwell in echo chambers, well sheltered from all views opposing your own, has been a net negative for society as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, people on both sides of the isle seem no different in that. Everybody hates putting their views to the test.
 
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