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[Ozriel]

It’s the one with the biggest warchest. I mean you can’t be this dumb? Right?

Lmao. I remember you from the other thread. insults vs any well reasoned argument already.

You do you, buddy

 

[Ozriel]

How so? My post had no insults and laid out multiple specific opinions. Why do you think they're wrong? Get specific on each one.

 

[Flutta]

Lmao. I remember you from the other thread. insults vs any well reasoned argument already.

You do you, buddy

Just answer me this.
Don’t you get tired of putting makeup on your face every morning?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Did he try to sell the viewers on how it was good to get hit by rocks?

 

[SLB1904]

I’m still here.

The fanboy in you is strong. It’s almost impressive.

Jim Ryan made the comments. That is what we are addressing.

Jim’s comments are hypocritical in the face of Sonys past practices… right? You are close my man. I’ll bet you can’t reply without mentioning Microsoft? Stop being in denial. I know you love Sony and would suck off Jim if it meant finding out what Naughty Dogs next game will be a day early. Try and set your bias aside.

What you even talking about

Stop projecting your homosexuality onto others weirdo.

 

[gothmog]

Whatever your opinions of MS, the fact is that MS does not have a history of buying itself into dominate positions. With the only dominate positions they hold coming organically from within (Office and Windows). Most of the litigation regarding Windows has been bogus anyway, IMO. The idea that MS shouldn't bundle their own browser with the OS was always beyond dumb, especially when Apple was also bundling a browser and other software. The argument that users were so hapless that they wanted another browser but couldn't be bothered to go download it themselves was lunacy. MS never blocked users from installing third-party browsers.

The only legitimate complaint I've seen levied at them was when they were using their windows licensing to control what OEMs could factory install on systems, that did push the line a bit.

I was a web developer during Microsoft's whole war to own browsing. There were many aspects to this you probably heard little about. From a dev perspective they constantly shit on any kind of open standard by either refusing to support it or doing the whole embrace and extend thing they tend to do often where they poison standards by putting in proprietary extensions that only their browsers support well. They also used their position as the OS holder almost constantly to make it difficult to choose alternatives. They even tried doing it again with Edge and Windows 10 by making you choose defaults for every file type.

Microsoft spent billions on acquisitions like Nokia trying to jumpstart their renewed mobile efforts after abandoning Windows CE. It just failed.

They made a huge investment into trying to compete with the iPod with the Zune. It just failed.

Trying and failing does not erase the magnitude of investment Microsoft has thrown into these industries trying to grab position. When they did get a dominant position they tended to abuse it regularly. Other players like Apple and Google among others have also abused their position so this is not a uniquely Microsoft behavior.

 

[Ryllix_]

I’m glad Jim Ryan is really taking a pro consumer stance on this! I can’t wait to play final fantasy xiv and ff7 remake on my Xbox! Microsoft is a super anti competitive company, this is reassured to me every time I play Minecraft on my switch and PlayStations!

 

[rofif]

I see plenty making fun of Jim and it's kinda weird. Sure, he makes a lot of questionable decisions and stays in the background.
But the guy speaks plainly, does not bs anyone and says as it is.
Phil on the other hand is soo see-through, I am really surprised so many gullible people far for his nice words. He rarely comes up as honest to me.

And then there re people saying PS exclusives are anti consumer... are you fucking mad?! These are often Sony made games. They have no need to publish them elsewhere.
I am sure they help with FF development too or pay really good money.
And people wanting GP on sone are out of their mind. It's like wishing for worse for yourself

 

[Helghan]

I don't think Jim Ryan is in a position to tell anyone about the choice gamers have

 

[darrylgorn]

Sony dominated the PS2 era, so I'm not sure what he's on about.

 

[3liteDragon]

I’m sure Jimbo’s losing sleep over what GAF thinks about him, the man’s doing his job lol. Idk why some of you have an emotional attachment to this.

 

[Shh]

I’m sure Jimbo’s losing sleep over what GAF thinks about him, the man’s doing his job lol. Idk why some of you have an emotional attachment to this.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Whatever your opinions of MS, the fact is that MS does not have a history of buying itself into dominate positions. With the only dominate positions they hold coming organically from within (Office and Windows). Most of the litigation regarding Windows has been bogus anyway, IMO. The idea that MS shouldn't bundle their own browser with the OS was always beyond dumb, especially when Apple was also bundling a browser and other software. The argument that users were so hapless that they wanted another browser but couldn't be bothered to go download it themselves was lunacy. MS never blocked users from installing third-party browsers.

The only legitimate complaint I've seen levied at them was when they were using their windows licensing to control what OEMs could factory install on systems, that did push the line a bit.

It was this OEM liscensing scheme that Jean Louis-Gasse’ blamed for BeOS not getting a foothold.

 

[Swift_Star]

Your proof is a lawsuit that was ended nearly a quarter of a century ago?



The only party that’s not getting involved in acquisitions is Nintendo.
Both Sony and MS have stated that they aren’t stopping. Why are we supposed to be afraid of just one of them?

The lawsuit should be proof enough.
You don’t like facts, I can see that.

 

[PropellerEar]

Jimbo showing who has the big balls in this game.

 

[Swift_Star]

Whatever your opinions of MS, the fact is that MS does not have a history of buying itself into dominate positions.

what? They did it with windows, Skype, office and others. They failed at phones, browsers, music players and others.
But, yes, they DO have this history. They just flopped a lot of times.

 

[Swift_Star]

I see plenty making fun of Jim and it's kinda weird. Sure, he makes a lot of questionable decisions and stays in the background.
But the guy speaks plainly, does not bs anyone and says as it is.
Phil on the other hand is soo see-through, I am really surprised so many gullible people far for his nice words. He rarely comes up as honest to me.

And then there re people saying PS exclusives are anti consumer... are you fucking mad?! These are often Sony made games. They have no need to publish them elsewhere.
I am sure they help with FF development too or pay really good money.
And people wanting GP on sone are out of their mind. It's like wishing for worse for yourself

People that are making fun of Jimbo are the usual suspects because he said the truth and they know this deal is not going as smoothly as they hoped it.

 

[hybrid_birth]

What shit exclusive deals have you so butthurt where you need to dress in your green armor and cry?

Sony's Bungie Releases Halo 7 exclusively to ps5. MS loses the rights.

 

[bluecowboys]

I don't see how this deal is anti consumer at all. The game is still going to be on the Playstation consoles for a long time. If anything, it benefits the consumers because we get the game on more devices and for a cheaper price. Not to mention Activision needs help right now after all the controversy and law suits. Seems like a win-win situation.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I don't see how this deal is anti consumer at all. The game is still going to be on the play station system for a long time. If anything, it benefits the consumers because we get the game on more devices and for a cheaper price. Not to mention Activision needs help right now after all the controversy

Is not anti-consumer, is just inadequate.

 

[A.Romero]

It's not as if everything Microsoft touches turns into gold, they have failed in the past.

That said I do think Satya's leadership has changed Microsoft from the old days, I don't think they are looking to monopolize gaming.

Above all: It's business. Phil and Jim get paid to say the stuff they say. Even if Jim is not really concerned about the deal, he has to say he is.

Gaming will be fine. It's big enough now to survive pretty much all kinds of bs except for consumer preference.

 

[bluecowboys]

Is not anti-consumer, is just inadequate.

Explain yourself please.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Jimbo showing who has the big balls in this game.

The one with the fortitude to get Activision/Blizzard and have the funds to back it up?

 

[Ozriel]

Microsoft spent billions on acquisitions like Nokia trying to jumpstart their renewed mobile efforts after abandoning Windows CE. It just failed.

They made a huge investment into trying to compete with the iPod with the Zune. It just failed.

Trying and failing does not erase the magnitude of investment Microsoft has thrown into these industries trying to grab position. When they did get a dominant position they tended to abuse it regularly. Other players like Apple and Google among others have also abused their position so this is not a uniquely Microsoft behavior.

Why are you pitching investments like the Nokia and the Zune play as some sort of devious strategy?

How is trying to get market share a bad thing?

Not even the most rosy Microsoft employee would have told you they were hoping to gain a dominant position vs Apple in the iPod vs Zune battle, or in their attempts to make Windows Phone the 3rd mobile platform.

Competition without investment is not feasible.

 

[MaulerX]

Yea Jimbo preach on you hypocrite.

Your users will still be able to buy COD for $70. That option will absolutely always be there.

So then why are you trying to block COD from Game Pass users? If options and more availability are what you're worried about?

 

[PropellerEar]

Activision needs help right now after all the controversy and law suits. Seems like a win-win situation.

What news have you been reading, record breaking MW2, Warzone 2 a huge success, OW2 doing well, Candy crushing in more than ever and Diablo 4 I'm the pipe.

Stock would be in rise without this noose of a deal hanging around ATVI.

 

[Topher]

I don't see how this deal is anti consumer at all.

It isn't anti consumer. It isn't pro-consumer either. People need to get over this idea that multi-billion/trillion dollar corporations do these things to benefit consumers. Ultimately, these actions are to benefit stockholders. ABK will generate more money for Microsoft and the deal will result in less money for Sony. In a nutshell, that is why Phil Spencer is pushing for it and why Jim Ryan is pushing against it.

 

[PropellerEar]

The one with the fortitude to get Activision/Blizzard and have the funds to back it up?

ATVI is and will fine without MSFT hindering them.

 

[gothmog]

Why are you pitching investments like the Nokia and the Zune play as some sort of devious strategy?

How is trying to get market share a bad thing?

Not even the most rosy Microsoft employee would have told you they were hoping to gain a dominant position vs Apple in the iPod vs Zune battle, or in their attempts to make Windows Phone the 3rd mobile platform.

Competition without investment is not feasible.

The magnitude of investment is the issue here. Not investment itself.

 

[John Wick]

But the other is coming off a generation where they outsold their main competitors by over 2:1, plus started the gen with a bigger first party.

On the ‘dominance’ and ‘monopoly’ scale, one is certainly much higher than the other.

You fail to grasp this don't you? Sony aren't dominant. What scale are you using? Revenue? Profit? Consoles sold?
Also Sony don't have 100 billion sitting in banks or are worth 1.5+trillion.
We don't want 3-4 companies controlling the worlds tech. Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Apple as well as Amazon. They are monopolistic and buy up any startup. If you think Sony are a similar threat to these companies your clearly a dilusional fangirl

 

[PJX]

AngelMuffin said:

Sony didn’t by Capcom/Square to get those exclusive to their platform.

And your point? I still can't play them on my Xbox, Einstein.

 

[MasterCornholio]

You fail to grasp this don't you? Sony aren't dominant. What scale are you using? Revenue? Profit? Consoles sold?
Also Sony don't have 100 billion sitting in banks or are worth 1.5+trillion.

I think he's putting the blame on console sales. It's not like Sony owns 90% of the market or anything close.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And your point? I still can't play them on my Xbox, Einstein.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

The irony of him talking about choices disappearing when he has helped push away most of the Japanese and other eastern devs/pubs for hypocritical censorship and draconian levels of outreach.

 

[CatLady]

It has nothing to do with PS fans at all, you're so narrow minded.

if you want one brand to own everything driving up costs is that an ideal world for you? It's literally a reality in Canada where half the nations services shut down because one company had issues.

Stop being so naive and childish thinking stuff like this is good for you.

The only one driving up costs currently is Sony.

 

[MasterCornholio]

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

The only one driving up costs currently is Sony.

Microsoft has literally been driving up prices outside of the US, especially in INdia for years now. Something you are more than familiar with, but oddly enough try to pin it only on Sony. I wonder why that is (hint, rhetorical question - we all know why you do that).

 

[Topher]

The only one driving up costs currently is Sony.

Inflation has driven up costs, not Sony. Phil Spencer has said he can't guarantee MS prices won't increase either.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The only one driving up costs currently is Sony.

Why would Sony want costs to be higher?

If they were lower they can increase their profit margin. Which is what they did with the hardware redesigns. They certainly don't want costs to increase.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

That the company with by far the bigger marketshare, larger gaming revenue, bigger brand recognition and first party IP + a well established penchant for securing exclusivity is higher on the ‘dominant’ scale?

Yes. That’s my argument. I think it compares favorably to “well, this company once drove Netscape out of business a quarter century ago”.

This was Sony’s analysis of the market in May 2021 AFTER the Bethesda deal closed.

Despite the Bethesda purchase, Sony essentially predicts an increase in revenue from 45% from the PS4 era to 50%. With COD remaining multiplatform, it would help if you could break down how you expect Microsoft to suddenly dominate the industry. Clearly, not even Jim Ryan believes this.

Be careful, Bogeyman Sony might force you to get a TV they are so powerful. Phil is shaking

How convenient for you to totally disregard that MS is a megacorp like Meta, Google and Amazon. Governments around the world are cracking down on them so we don't get the nightmare dystopian future you're desperately cheering for.

You don't see that weird phenomenon from "Amazon fans" or "Meta fans", only MS has that privilege. Just sad behavior.

 

[bluecowboys]

What news have you been reading, record breaking MW2, Warzone 2 a huge success, OW2 doing well, Candy crushing in more than ever and Diablo 4 I'm the pipe.

Stock would be in rise without this noose of a deal hanging around ATVI.

One good year doesn't mean good long term growth.

 

[bluecowboys]

Inflation has driven up costs, not Sony. Phil Spencer has said he can't guarantee MS prices won't increase either.

Yet Microsoft just did a price drop on xbox series s. If MS was more competitive in EU, Sony would've never raise the price of the PS5.

 

[CatLady]

Why would Sony want costs to be higher?

If they were lower they can increase their profit margin. Which is what they did with the hardware redesigns. They certainly don't want costs to increase.

WTF -Driving up costs to consumers. Sony charges more for their games and has raised the price on their consoles.

 

[BadBurger]

What are the monopolistic-type actions Sony performed during the PS2 era that people have referred to several times in this thread?

 

[sinnergy]

If you vote for PlayStation, you vote for the gamers and increased prices of 449! Which is great!

 

[CatLady]

Inflation has driven up costs, not Sony. Phil Spencer has said he can't guarantee MS prices won't increase either.

same response as I gave cornholio.

WTF -Driving up costs to consumers. Sony charges more for their games and has raised the price on their consoles.

 

[PropellerEar]

One good year doesn't mean good long term growth.

Thank you for this fortune cookie.

 

[Kamina]

Well, Microsoft tried to implement always online DRM and they would do that immediately if they had the monopoly, so he is right.
Competition on the market equals more choice for customers.

 

[Punished Miku]

Why would Sony want costs to be higher?

If they were lower they can increase their profit margin. Which is what they did with the hardware redesigns. They certainly don't want costs to increase.

 

[GymWolf]

Cry a bit more you greedy fucker.