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Leak: Switch 2 to use Orin T239 Nvidia Soc , PS4 and PS4 pro performance Without DLSS
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Brigandier
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The PS4 is 10 years old.... In terms of technology it's ancient.
There's nothing great about a console in 2024 being on the level of very old tech.
But it's Nintendo you'll get a 720p LCD screen at 1tf and people will pay $400+ for it
Dr. Wilkinson
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Switch Advance. Man, that’s the best name for it I’ve heard so far. I like that even more than Nintendo Super Switch.
zeldaring
Banned
It's great for a handheld and the Nintendo games that look great are cartoony and don't need that much power. Ps4 power will make a massive difference.The PS4 is 10 years old.... In terms of technology it's ancient.
There's nothing great about a console in 2024 being on the level of very old tech.
But it's Nintendo you'll get a 720p LCD screen at 1tf and people will pay $400+ for it
ManaByte
Member
The Wii U sold 13 million systems. Literally no one cares that the Switch wasn’t a generational leap from a console no one bought.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
The PS4 is 10 years old.... In terms of technology it's ancient.
There's nothing great about a console in 2024 being on the level of very old tech.
But it's Nintendo you'll get a 720p LCD screen at 1tf and people will pay $400+ for it
But in a small handheld, portable form factor. With *good battery life.
And if you’re just looking at Nintendo Switch as the comparison point, which you should, PS4/ PS4 Pro levels of fidelity in a console the size of the Switch, is really tantalizing. At least it will be for a great many people.
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Buggy Loop
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There's a lot more behind the recent GPU architectures than just "more core more clocks", improvements in concurrent operations (important for raster/RT/ML), asynchronous barrier to keep execution units always near full occupancy, Ampere's global memory traffic for asynchronous memory copy and reducing memory traffic. Also serves to hide data copy latency. The cache management and residency control are nothing with the beasts of old.
At the scale of how fast silicon chipsets advances, the difference is so vast between Ampere and the 2013 PS4 chipset that it's like comparing a McLaren P1 to a 70's american supercharged muscle car for drag racing. They probably have similar HP on paper.. now bring them on the Nürburgring.
Hell, just an Unreal 5 + Lumen & Nanite support on mobile would break many barriers that the old gen had. It would be lifting way above its TFlops rating.
Brigandier
Member
It's not great for a handheld in 2024, If it's not any better than a steam deck it's completely mediocre.
People need to realise this console will be around for many years, If it's already meh on launch it'll be pants in a few years.
Xenoblade and Zelda would benefit massively from a quality piece of hardware.
onnextflix5
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no way it’s getting anywhere near ps4 pro, 
, best we can hope for is Xbox one level power, and ps4 level with Dlss.
, best we can hope for is Xbox one level power, and ps4 level with Dlss.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
By underclocking the GPU like Switch?
I’m looking at the performance/watt charts for modern GPUs and the 7900XT sits at the top.
zeldaring
Banned
Ps4 would easily run zelda at 1080p/60fps. Never mind that steam deck can emulate Switch so I think a steam deck level console would fit the switch very well. People are not looking to be blown away by Nintendo games graphically and have shown that they don't care just look at the sales.
Griffon
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If it can manage equal or slightly better than Steam Deck performances it would be pretty good already, portable mode will remain at 720p and TV mode will have to be upscaled from 1080p to 4K using DLSS or Checkerboarding. If you expect native you're smoking way too much copium.
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//DEVIL//
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Eh. Switch 1 is still kicking the living crap out of every console on the market. ( aside from few months here and there ) Switch 2 is just gonna destroy them if they can keep up with the demand.
its not like the other consoles won't exist in the market because of course they will do. but sales wise ? yeah its not gonna be pretty
The specs listed in the OP are saying it has tensor cores, that's the dedicated hardware for ML so DLSS should be possible if they are correct on the specs.
Mahavastu
Member
Don't underestimate what PS4 power plus DLSS2 mean for a portable device.Yeah great for the year 2013.
The Switch2 (or whatever) will probably be still 720p, which means that with DLSS2 upscaling for mobile rendering in 360p should be OK to still look "good enough".
Most PS4 games are rendered in native 1080p, 360p would be only 1/9th of the pixel. If the switch2 has the same raw GPU power as the PS4 but has to render only 1/9th of the pixels, the image quality could be MUCH better than on a PS4! In docked mode it would have to output higher resolutions and such have more to do, but the more raw power available should help...
Lets hope Nintendo did not cripple the RAM and the SSD (or whatever) - speed too much, then the box could be quite impressive and still offer good battery time.
zeldaring
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Ps5 is out selling switch this year. Ps4 sold 117 million. Switch selling 150 million Is not kicking the living crap out of it lol
Switch 2 is not gonna have the covid and free money boost in its prime.
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GeeseGoose
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Sorry but I don’t understand these units of power. I only understand number of GCs.
why yes, I am mr original.
why yes, I am mr original.
//DEVIL//
Member
kicking the living crap was a figure of speech. not actually to 4x the sales of a PS5 obviously. why people are so serious around here -_-
zeldaring
Banned
Well it doesn't have to 4x lol. it just has to kick the living crap out of it like ps4 vs Xbox where it was 2 to 1.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
No such thing as only having single precision. Every GPU can do all three. Half(16), single(32) and double(64).
Anyways, it doesn't matter.I am just saying, from a power and cost perspective, and this being Nintendo, you are not getting a PS4 (1.8TF) GPU in a Switch 2. It could be a 1TF GPu that performs better than a PS4... I dunno, but let's see.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I'm just talking about GPU raw performance, there are other limitations, but even then you can check some third party AAA games ports like Alien Isolation.
Metroid Prime Remaster, as it comes from a GameCube game, pushed the system graphically without having to worry much about other limitations and it looks basically like any other 8th gen game.
zeldaring
Banned
Sorry but it doesn't look as good as any of the impressive 8th gen games it looks more like halo 4 on 360 at 1080p and 60fps.
alucard0712_rus
Member
I can't see Nintendo do this powerful console.
Sorry for rushed post but my bet that it will be based on Tegra X2 on 12nm or "lower" node because:
- Cheap
- Backwards compatibility
- Ease of development (about the same platform, just more powerful)
OG Switch was very underclocked at 16nm and at ~half of the performance of 12nm Tegra X1+ (768mhz vs 1267mhz) and the main bottleneck is memory bandwidth so with Tegra X2 we can get:
~ 2x clocks
~ 2x the memory bandwidth (probably also 8GB of RAM)
much more CPU cache in Tegra X2
super-reasonable battery life (and even more in a revision at lower node (8nm for example)
No DLSS, no native 4K of course.
So even with Tegra X2 with reasonable clocks we can easily get a 2x Switch (2x RAM, 2x memory bandwidth, 2x cpu/gpu clocks, faster SSD, etc, etc.) plus ensure backwards compatibility. And it will be super-cheap to produce.
I hope it will be more powerful but it's Nintendo. We got this situation every time since Wii.
Sorry for rushed post but my bet that it will be based on Tegra X2 on 12nm or "lower" node because:
- Cheap
- Backwards compatibility
- Ease of development (about the same platform, just more powerful)
OG Switch was very underclocked at 16nm and at ~half of the performance of 12nm Tegra X1+ (768mhz vs 1267mhz) and the main bottleneck is memory bandwidth so with Tegra X2 we can get:
~ 2x clocks
~ 2x the memory bandwidth (probably also 8GB of RAM)
much more CPU cache in Tegra X2
super-reasonable battery life (and even more in a revision at lower node (8nm for example)
No DLSS, no native 4K of course.
So even with Tegra X2 with reasonable clocks we can easily get a 2x Switch (2x RAM, 2x memory bandwidth, 2x cpu/gpu clocks, faster SSD, etc, etc.) plus ensure backwards compatibility. And it will be super-cheap to produce.
I hope it will be more powerful but it's Nintendo. We got this situation every time since Wii.
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Trogdor1123
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But it is great for a handheld in 2024. PS4 pro is like 4 tf, isn’t it? That would be might impressive in a handheld.
The end of life games that game to the ps4 were incredible, give that to Nintendo and it will be great too.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
I'd like a beefier Super Nintendo Switch, but I also don't care. They have wizards over there, it's gonna be fine.
Dream-Knife
Banned
This is the full chip. It's going to be underclocked to hell and back.
killatopak
Member
Anyone thinking this perforance + tensor cores + battery life + storage AND $400 needs a reality check.
Knightime_X
Member
Ps4 pro without dlss.
Sooo DLSS IS in switch 2???
Huge if true.
Sooo DLSS IS in switch 2???
Huge if true.
Astral Dog
Member
I think everybody expects this, a PS4+ would do the job, people forget there is a giant gap between Switch and Xbox ONE,then PlayStation 4 base
However Switch 2 will have modern hardware and i assume new features that will make it stand out a bit compared to last gen
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
The Switch 2 will not even meet PS4 performance, let alone the PS4 Pro.
It'll be RAM and memory bandwidth starved using a single pool of LPDDR and not nearly enough on-die L3 cache.
Temper your expectations, folks.
It'll be RAM and memory bandwidth starved using a single pool of LPDDR and not nearly enough on-die L3 cache.
Temper your expectations, folks.
It's not going to be Orin. Orin has too much automotive junk that a Switch 2 wouldn't need. We already know it's a custom SoC.
nial
Gold Member
You people should have bought the GameCube.
Who's gonna tell him?
existensmaximum
Member
This is the only sane reply in this thread. Everything in it makes much morse sense för Nintendo.
You guys have too high expectations, I just can't see that Nintendo would care the least bit about DLSS or implement it in their games, and certainly not require it for all games.
Power and performance is at the very bottom of their list of priorities.
This is more likely . The have done this forever Gameboy was old when it released .. instant hit though .
TikiLagoonSam
Member
Law of diminishing returns. This is going to be AMAZING for Nintendo games. Nothing released on PS5 & Xbox One X has made PS4 games like this look old:
a portable PS4 in the hands of Nintendo will make your jaw drop.
a portable PS4 in the hands of Nintendo will make your jaw drop.
zeldaring
Banned
This. Nintendo loves profit and their consumer has showed they don't care about graphics. This is user base that is willing to buy 10 year old game for 60$ so this make the most sense.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I think memory bandwidth would require a serious boost if Nintendo don't want it to become a bottleneck yet again... That much GPU power might be wasted unless they want to use it for realtime procedural texturing lol
It will be Orin with stuff removed yet charging Nintendo more, that's the Nvidia way
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