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Indiana Jones by MachineGames Officially Revealed - Coming in 2024 | Xbox Direct 2024

CamHostage

Member
I don't personally prefer first-person just out of habit and sometimes visual motion sensitivity (I also like seeing facial expressions on characters when it's done well, though it's rarely done with any great level of detail.)

...However, come on, some of you are acting like a a story can't be told in first-person. We've got lots of examples of games which have compelling character-based gameplay in first-person. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to figure out who this Indiana Jones fellow is and what he's up to even if you can't always see his face.

This thread is bringing back flashbacks to the Metroid Prime reaction era.

Bingo. Dont make an indiana jones game if you cant make third person games. plain and simple. Say no and keep making immersive sims.

A game can be immersive and be in first-person. The first cinematic hero move adaptation ever worth anything was Goldeneye, and world-renown James Bond regularly returned in first-person adventures. (I loved Everything or Nothing, but it's the uncommon Bond game, it didn't reset expectations of how much Bond himself should be on screen.)

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you cannot have a FPS game ("you are indy") with Third Person Passive cutscenes. (you are not controlling indy)..not anymore after what uncharted and tomb raider have accomplished.

If there is a set piece which is a cutscene due to the need to sell a "cinematic narrative" but then you are only playing in a first person view... its going to feel outdated, subpar, jarring to the whole (you are indiy and the First Person is more immersive). it's going to take you alout of the experience.

Why not? When Master Chief gets in a vehicle or starts a conversation with Cortana and the game cuts to a third-person view, are you going, "Who the fuck is this green guy?"

Should’ve been third person.

At times the game looks great for faces and environments , along with fps. Other times it looks plastic, flat, and odd.

...And you want it to be in third-person so you can see more of the plastic, flat, odd instances?
 

FrankWza

Member
To each their own but I thought it was ultra fitting for Robocop because of his vision's HUD. It was all there and felt more immersive IMO. Could've done third person w/ first person HUD, but I could see that taking people out.
It definitely worked. I liked it. I'm just saying I'd like to see the character. And also They were able to hide a lot by making it fp because he moves pretty fast sometimes and it would have been tougher to pull off in tp. It would probably have to be third person over the shoulder view vs behind the back because of how he moves.
 

Vick

Member
I absolutely loved what I saw honestly.

Exploration was immersive, combat looked really fun, tone is accurate, style is good, looks much better than I thought in general, and the fact it's first person is a fucking Godsend for me because comparisons with Uncharted 4 would have had me like this for the rest of time:

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I'm a big fan of Emperor's Tomb and the cancellation of the original version of The Staff of Kings still hurts, but in 2024 I'm glad this is its own thing and not a cheap clone of other games.
First Microsoft title I'm really hyped for since Alan Wake. I just only hope writing's gonna fall at least in the "not infuriating or insulting" category.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Fuckin' amazing (unlike Avowed)!

And just as I thought, they've decided to go for a combination of 1st and 3rd person like in The Chronicles of Riddick games, instead of sticking to one or the other. But, since there's no clear release date still, I doubt that it'll be released this year. I mean, the game looks feature complete already and like it's at the very late stages of development, but if you can't commit to a specific date say 6-8 months before release, it means that it might not be released this year.
 
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Jinzo Prime

Gold Member
This game is warming up on me, if it reviews well, I guess I'll bite. I was disappointed that it was first-person, but the whip looks well thought out and engaging in first-person.
 

sachos

Member
Im sensing some Dishonored/Thief stealth vibes here? Im interested in seeing more of that gameplay. Not sure about the melee combat, melee combat in first person always feels clunky to me, same with Avowed. I really liked the use of the whip to distract enemies, smart choice.
Rewatched the trailer in 4K, graphics look amazing. Only problem i have right now is Indy's face looks kinda stiff at times, like they are having problem mapping Troy's face acting into Harrison's face model. When ke talks the lips seem to not be moving properly.
 
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Sorcerer

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The biggest issue with first person is that it minimizes the most recognizable thing about Indiana Jones - his silhouette. You always know that it's him in the movies as soon as you see this:

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If you were to take a glance at this game during the moment-to-moment gameplay, there is very little that signals to you that this game is Indiana Jones and not just any other first-person shooter. You are only reminded of the fact during the occasional third-person cut away. It's a huge blunder by the developers and no amount of "it's in first-person to really make you feel like Indy!" is going to fix it.
If the set pieces are as spectacular as they are in the films, then first person could really be immersive. I love the sets of the first 3 films, exploring them up close could be amazing. I'll take over staring at Indy constantly on screen anytime. But if they screw that up, then they should have gone the safer route of third person.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
This game will live or die by how well the level design and puzzles are in the game, along with the story. If they use the environment and mechanics in interesting ways, it could be cool.

I have little faith that the actual gameplay of combat or stealth will be fun based on what I've seen so far. A really big missed opportunity to do really cool stuff in third person, and honestly very disappointed. It's not the indy game I wanted, but I will keep an open mind. I think it can still be good, but I doubt it'll be amazing.
 

Rockman33

Member
Can’t the game speak for itself? If it was of a high standard people would play it and not care.

by his logic we wouldn’t have even half the IP we have today
I think your miss understanding what he was saying. Certainly when the game is fully released it could absolutely play differently. But for the first gameplay trailer if it was 3rd person it would absolutely be getting that type of conversation. And it would be hard not to, considering they would both be puzzle solving, action orientated treasure hunting types of games.

I think that’s why Apex just dropped the game and why the finals just recently dropped their game without marketing first. They would never shadow drop something like Indiana jones.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
With the luck Microsoft has, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony ends up revealing a new Uncharted this year.
Apparently, it has been in production for several years now. I'm quite confident that a reveal will come soon.

And we can rest assured that it'll blow everything out of the water with how good it'll look and play -- even if ND isn't the one producing it.
 
Why not? When Master Chief gets in a vehicle or starts a conversation with Cortana and the game cuts to a third-person view, are you going, "Who the fuck is this green guy?"
that's funny.

you are controlling the vehicle

what I am saying is that you couldn't have like a Extreme Long Shot and slowly getting closer to the character (full shot/mid shot).

That is the limiting factor of the First Peson view.
 

jonnyp

Member
Is Troy Baker really voicing Indy? Not bad at all if so, but a bit monotone. The Denholm Elliot impersonator sounded good too.

After watching the trailer Im in. It looks a bit rough in spots though and Im willing to bet it wont release this year.

Baker is no longer low hanging fruit I take it?
 

Vick

Member
With the luck Microsoft has, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony ends up revealing a new Uncharted this year.
Yeah.. with a 90% chance of Cassie as protagonist, so..

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Indiana fucking Jones going to be fine.

Hell, in this day and age just the simple fact we're going to be playing as him is enough to get me hyped.

And we can rest assured that it'll blow everything out of the water with how good it'll look and play -- even if ND isn't the one producing it.
They would just need to port Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy gameplay, not changing a single damn thing and I'll still be the best controlling third person game ever to me.

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Fuck, just take those controls and port them to the Original Trilogy with (tastefully) revamped visuals, I would legit forever stop caring and worrying for the state of the medium and be set for life.
 
Indiana fucking Jones going to be fine.
i think the game is going to be on par with what the studio has done, in terms of quality and critical reception.

but remember now that these studios are part of MS...expectations are greater.


regarding Uncharted..i was just talking form graphical point of view. I didn't enjoyed U4 gameplay and the story was too mature for it's own good...so i am not even excited for a new one.
 

Mister Wolf

Gold Member
Man people wanting this to be third person straight up baffle me. There’s already been 4 uncharted games in third person. Not to mention tomb raider games… it needs to be distinct from those

But it's not distinct from those games. It's the same stuff going on as those games are Indiana Jones clones at their core. Stealth, fistfights, puzzles, platforming, shooting, set piece escapes, just like them, but now in first person. The only thing unique/distinct is the whip, and that would have been just as unique/distinct, if not better looking, if we were seeing it used in third person.
 
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acm2000

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I can't wait to experience the iconic boulder escape scene... but in first person! Imagine the tension when you have absolutely no idea what is chasing you, where it is in relation to you, or what it even looks like! My skin is tingling just thinking about it!
Instead you get a more tense experience not knowing how close you are to death trying to escape.
 

rofif

Banned
The studio was butchered. Rodrick and the darkness were amazing. The. Something happened.
I know people like Wolfenstein games but I don’t. Narratively it’s a mess and shooting is a hit scan galore. First one is ok… 2nd one is… ok. I don’t much get the hype behind this studio. They are not starbreeze anymore even if the director is there
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I get the dissappintment at third person, I do.

But hearing what they are doing and seeing how much you will see indy in third person I think this game looks fucking incredible for an indiana jones game. It looks so much better than what I feared it could.

I'm not having this negativity, this looks right up there with any AAA licensed game we have seen over the generation or last. It looks top quality and I can not wait!

I'll play on PC maxed out and I'm super pumped!

I think it will review well too. Puzzles and indiana jones fist and whip fighting in first person!

Imagine how genericly bad this would have looked if you were just walking around like uncharted but mainly doing fist fights and whips...when I think about it, I really don't think it would work in third person from what I've seen.

I'm hyped!
 
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Exede

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Hey i have a good idea, replace Troy Baker by AI. He was in 1000 games, the training for the AI must be super easy. /s

I mean ok he is not that bad or anything but i cant see this man anymore in games at all.
 

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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hey i have a good idea, replace Troy Baker by AI. He was in 1000 games, the training for the AI must be super easy. /s

I mean ok he is not that bad or anything but i cant see this man anymore in games at all.

He's doing a pretty decent young Indy impression, the problem is we're on an enthusiast gaming forum and have played/seen his voice in dozens and dozens of game, so it's immediately recognizable to us.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
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Instead of looking generically generic as a first person game like Deathloop?

I think you are taking my comment as an insults to uncharted or something....I'm saying, picture it...you're indy moving like uncharted, but not the action shooting game...just walking around trying to stealth up on enemy's to punch them and a bit of whip action...I think it would have looked like a generic copy and wouldn't have worked like this...

Watching the trailer again, I don't think it looks anything like deathloop and looks amazing, and having those moments where you see him when you're doing the action sections will be sublime.

I love it. But I'm old and grew up watching the movies with my step dad, so yes this is hitting me in the feels. Give me more puzzles in fp. It looks amazing to me.

Machine games I have faith. I really enjoyed wolfenstein, I don't understand this new narrative to paint them as mediocre. Go play them,they are fucking great.
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I'm glad they sprung for the Ford likeness and didn't do what the Avengers game did, with the 'actor face from wish.com'

Yup, so happy. Troy is doing his best and it's a little jarring, but having ford's face is perfect for me.

Fucking lol emjis from a Sony Stan once again....never change neogaf, what a miserable existence for these fanboys.
 
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James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
I think you are taking my comment as an insults to uncharted or something....I'm saying, picture it...you're indy moving like uncharted, but not the action shooting game...just walking around trying to stealth up on enemy's to punch them and a bit of whip action...I think it would have looked like a generic copy and wouldn't have worked like this...

Uh, no?

It would look 10 times better with something like Batman melee combat mixed with Spider-Man levels of animation quality / finishers.

Instead we get first person boring looking whip mechanics that will get old fast and be boring and slow

You can’t do frenetic, fluid, and choreographed fighting well in first person at all. This is a huge step down and a big missed opportunity
 
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