HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I THINK they want to avoid launching in the same window as the PS6 and have a year or so of being the only "next gen" console
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Massive FTC Leak: Mid Gen Xbox Hardware, Series S/X Refreshes, New Controller, and Game Plans!
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Little Mac
Member
Every time someone says $599 I think of the PS3 ...
I don't think it will be more than $499. I'm trying my best to hold out for it but it's hard gaf.
I don't think it will be more than $499. I'm trying my best to hold out for it but it's hard gaf.
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BlackTron
Member
Haven't you heard? Xbox isn't a console.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Crazy for back then, although now I think the early adopters of consoles would have less issues paying $599 for PS6 etc... if it was a big jump from PS5. I mean people were essentially paying that much for PS5s for the first 2 years anyway given the stock issues and black market sellers.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
"I believe that hasn't changed"
So all the other stuff did, like the mid-gen refresh?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Gonna be an interesting few years. See if Xbox leaves the console industry behind, or what their involvement looks like.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Ahh someone caught on the main reason I posted this
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
With hall effect sticks please
saintjules
Member
In all my years of gaming I've never seen such emphasis on controller SKUs. I hear more about controllers than anything else from Xbox.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
To be honest, as someone who owns all 3 systems, I'd welcome them falling out of sync with one another, it'd be great for there to be more launches to look forward to and for new hardware to be more different to each other (in the case of Series X/ Ps5).
Part of me wonders if there's a benefit to both platforms in releasing near simultaneously though - in terms of awareness, press coverage, etc. But I can imagine that getting a year head start with what will basically be roughly as capable as your competitors' hardware would be an ideal spot for any platform to find themselves in, IMO. Get tomorrow today, etc. As long as you have some software to demonstrate the differences.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Mibu no ookami
Member
I don't see why this would necessarily have any bearing on any of Microsoft's other plans, even based on the wording (think it's a stretch to speculate).
It makes complete sense for them to put out on a controller whether they plan to support Xbox Series further or not.
It makes complete sense for them to put out on a controller whether they plan to support Xbox Series further or not.
- You have at least 25 million Xbox Series units sold
- That's still a lot of consumers you can sell controllers to
- Xbox controllers are popular when it comes to PC
- As Microsoft positions itself to be available on more platforms (i.e. tv and mobile) it makes sense to have a better controller offering to ensure positioning as a controller of choice among those who play on TV and mobile
Killjoy-NL
Member
Unless they just want to sell 3rd party controllers and/or support OEM, as is rumored in that other thread (which doesn't make sense to me, tbh).
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I agree with you the refresh is likely trashed but not quite for the same reasons
My comments from Sept and Dec last year
Mibu no ookami
Member
If Microsoft is truly trying to reduce their inventory as I've speculated, but admittedly not seen evidence for (either they have way more inventory to get rid of and they aren't selling fast enough or they aren't actively reducing inventory) then releasing a refreshed design wouldnt really make sense.
Releasing a new model or models would be Microsoft's way of affirming their interest in consoles and cancelling their redesign really suggests they've given up for this generation, and unless we start hearing rumors about a 2025 next gen launch, i'd say that means they're giving up on consoles in general, because launching in 2026 won't be early enough if Sony plans on 2027.
Releasing a new model or models would be Microsoft's way of affirming their interest in consoles and cancelling their redesign really suggests they've given up for this generation, and unless we start hearing rumors about a 2025 next gen launch, i'd say that means they're giving up on consoles in general, because launching in 2026 won't be early enough if Sony plans on 2027.
splattered
Member
Would you rather them put out 30 consoles instead? Absolutely nothing wrong with giving lots of options and variety when it comes to peripherals.
Mibu no ookami
Member
I wouldn't bet on a 2025 xbox next-gen console launch.
With absolutely zero killer apps for XBS, it would be devastating to launch a next gen system again without a killer app.
I don't even think Elder Scrolls would be rumored for a 2026 release let alone 2025...
Sony will be hitting its stride with PS5 games and they'd have absolutely nothing...
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The issue is that it is no longer possible to make AAA games for less than 3 years at minimum. So if they ended up launching a new console in 2025 it would be without any exclusive next gen games.
There is really no point launching next gen if you don't ship something with it. In fact it is downright embarrassing that Series X launched with Halo Infinite on the cover, but without the actual game being available.
There is nothing physically wrong with Series X anyway. No one is claiming the hardware is flawed. So launching next gen early would fix nothing that needed fixing. Instead it would just cause even more stress on the software pipeline. Telling developers that their game needed to be ready two years in advance than planned, is not going to make them happy.
If they plan to continue to sell Series X a refresh makes absolutely sense to cut their manufacturing costs.
It will also put them in a position to make the deals they absolutely need to move some units without losing tons of money like happened last November/December.
Also a 2025 new model has no chance to be the start of new generation as long as they will have to continue to support Series S/X hardware, they will continue to release games day one on PC and no third party publisher will leave current gen behind when they have barely passed the cross gen phase. A 2025 new hardware would just be the new Xbox One X for all practical purposes.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I struggle to see what the difference between generations is really. Sony made a lot of noise about how their new games were only possible thanks to the power of PS5 and then released them on Ps4 a bit later.
To some degree, I think whatever consoles come out in the next few years, the ones we're using now will still be being supported for years after that launch. At this point they might as well just say new consoles get X number of years of support, like mobile phones do now, release a new system every 4 years and keep everything rolling along.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I guess the one benefit is that it would allow Xbox to abandon Series S on a technicality. Calling it an XboxNext game machine would finally get the Albatross off their necks. But it is a tiny benefit compared to all the massive cons...
Infact I don't think it makes any sense to talk about generations for Microsoft if even Sony had a significantly blurred transition due to the necessity of a long cross gen phase to sell games to a big audience to recoup costs.
The reality is that even Sony and Microsoft combined couldn't force the abrupt start of a new gen in 2020.
What is Microsoft supposed to accomplish alone in 2025 when their plans are to become more and more a multiplatform publisher?
Their new hardware would just be a new Xbox One X, that is all, same games better graphical settings.
At the same time a Series X refresh is only going to help their bottomline if they plan to continue to sell this product for the next few years. Why should they scrap it? It's the only thing that makes sense and it should have already happened...
The price has probably changed because at this point they well know they have no business at 499$
demigod
Member
So you’re telling us ms will ride this gen out with only these 2 boxes until the next gen? OOF
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
You've just described PS5, PS6 will be the same thing for the first few years. As noted they made a play to push people to jump to next gen then released the games on PS4 anyway.
There's no reason why you couldn't sell PS5 alongside PS6. There's no real reason to call a console "Pro" instead of just adding a number to the model name. The PS5 Pro might as well be called PS6 for all the difference it'll make to the games it'll play.
scarlet0pimp
Member
What they would get if they launch in 2025 is the best version of Call of Duty at least until the new PS arrives in 2027.
Remember Sony said they would not share details of upcoming consoles with Activision anymore so Microsoft would be under no obligation to release a PS 5 pro version of Call of Duty. So being the best place to play CoD could be a decent advantage.
You'd also think that the Xbox would also get the best version of other games if the new console is a substantial upgrade over the Series X and PS5. I think the PS5 Pro (if it actually comes still not convinced) will be hamstrung by Sonys idea of backward compatibility and essentially be PS5 with small boost to RAM and the butterfly design similar to PS4 Pro.
Remember Sony said they would not share details of upcoming consoles with Activision anymore so Microsoft would be under no obligation to release a PS 5 pro version of Call of Duty. So being the best place to play CoD could be a decent advantage.
You'd also think that the Xbox would also get the best version of other games if the new console is a substantial upgrade over the Series X and PS5. I think the PS5 Pro (if it actually comes still not convinced) will be hamstrung by Sonys idea of backward compatibility and essentially be PS5 with small boost to RAM and the butterfly design similar to PS4 Pro.
Sony still had PS5 exclusives though.
Demons Souls, Astrobot, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank, The Last of Us Remake.
Is Microsoft going to make exclusives to a new console again when the plan is to go more and more multiplatform?
aclar00
Member
Sony has definitely blurred the line of generations and unfortunately i think this plays into the hands of a all digital and subscription base service future.
If or once subscriptions become the future i dont think we'll see generational leaps as often. Granted, each service will want to attract you with their powerhouse exclusives, but that can be done without having generational leaps.
If or once subscriptions become the future i dont think we'll see generational leaps as often. Granted, each service will want to attract you with their powerhouse exclusives, but that can be done without having generational leaps.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The only benefit a Console have over PC is having less SKUs to work with. Sony's upcoming removable Disc Drive is meant to combine the PS5 SKUs into one machine to ease production.
Sony knows it is better to have less SKUs out there at any one time. Designing new hardware costs money and doing it too fast is pointless.
Mibu no ookami
Member
It's interesting because it seems like Walmart is getting out of the Xbox business. I don't see a single store in my area that has them available for pickup and they're still pretty heavily discounting them and limiting them to shipping only. They also don't seem to be sold by Walmart rather just fulfilled by Walmart.
Walmart hasn't done this with PS5s which are still available, so it suggests to me that SOMETHING is going on.
My guess being that Walmart cleared themselves out during the holidays with the firesale because they could more so afford to take a hit on the consoles than say a Best Buy or a Gamestop and they've shifted to selling from other retailers and taking a small cut on the transaction.
Best Buy on the other hand has reverted back to selling for 500 dollars.
Walmart hasn't done this with PS5s which are still available, so it suggests to me that SOMETHING is going on.
My guess being that Walmart cleared themselves out during the holidays with the firesale because they could more so afford to take a hit on the consoles than say a Best Buy or a Gamestop and they've shifted to selling from other retailers and taking a small cut on the transaction.
Best Buy on the other hand has reverted back to selling for 500 dollars.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
No one cares about subscription services growth has stalled for years
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I think, and time will tell, that Microsoft is absolutely going to have exclusives on their hardware.
I know some people here have an unhinged obsession with console wars and Sony triumphing over Microsoft, but Destiny 2 is on Xbox, Bungie's already announced that Marathon is going to be on Xbox. I don't see Xbox disappearing into the sea because Hifi Rush, Minecraft and COD are on PlayStation and Switch. I think that there's a good chance that both Microsoft and Sony will see the benefit in certain titles reaching larger audiences while keeping other titles exclusive and more part of their brand.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Eh, all the publishers will be supporting all the consoles, just like they did when PS5/Series consoles launched.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Consoles really are following the path of PCs.
PC games still have minimum requirements in order to play them. There's a lot of value for say EA to release Madden on PS4, PS5, and PS6, if it is still selling on PS4.
They don't care which system you buy it on as long as you're buying it.
But the reality is that PS4 sales will dry up and to push greater sales on PS5 and PS6, you have to put out a product that differentiates itself more.
Framerate/resolution is really the last frontier in terms of "generations." Now that consoles have SSDs, that will standard moving forward, but games won't be designed purely around SSDs until the PS4 and X1 are no longer supported and the SSD becomes the minimum requirement on PC.
Look at God of War Ragnarok...
PS5 - 1440p60
PS4 Pro - 1440p30
PS4 - 1080p30
PS5 Pro will probably have it at 4K60
But would a PS6 God of War run on Ps4? How much further can you passably drop? 720p30? but that might not even do it and it might not even be worth doing.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
It costs money to design and release new SKUs and it makes manufacturing more complex. Sony makes hardware and they know it is insane to do multi sku. Microsoft on the other hand...
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Man this is scary looking back. MS coming out with a "new" console in 2025 would be a nightmare for them and a few in the industry.
demigod
Member
You are wrong. You cannot play PS5 only(ex: spiderman 2) games on a PS4 Pro even tho it is capable. Same reason why you won’t be playing PS6 only games on a PS5 Pro. The number+pro go hand in hand.
By your logic, you should be able to play xbox series with your xbox one x amirite? Guess what, you can’t play some of them.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I don't think you've understood my point. I said you could call the next console whatever you liked, call it PS4 Pro Pro Pro edition OR you could call it PS6. If it comes out in the next 2 years, it'll play the exact same games, no matter what the name. I'm talking about the idea of generations and how little that actually means when the software that plays on these machines is largely cross generation for years anyway.
I get that you just want to do a weird dig at Microsoft, but just FYI you could have done that without quoting me.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
thus proving my point, that "generation" is a largely meaningless term, and a pro console could be named whatever you like for all the relevance it has on the software it can play.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I mean there is no benefit releasing a new machine EARLY, because making a new machine cost money. Sony makes a PRO because it benefits VR, that's where I see why they would bother. But otherwise the naming of a next gen is just the ability to abandon the old hardware "if they want to". i understand that this gen started slow but i think it is covid's fault. That developers are just not ready.I don't think you've understood my point. I said you could call the next console whatever you liked, call it PS4 Pro Pro Pro edition OR you could call it PS6. If it comes out in the next 2 years, it'll play the exact same games, no matter what the name. I'm talking about the idea of generations and how little that actually means when the software that plays on these machines is largely cross generation for years anyway.
I get that you just want to do a weird dig at Microsoft, but just FYI you could have done that without quoting me.
demigod
Member
Your point was wrong and I proved it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Isn't the rumor that Sony is looking to launch the PS6 in 2028?
Mibu no ookami
Member
I wouldn't assume anything at this point, certainly not a rumor based off of Microsoft's speculation.
intbal
Member
I bought a Series X at my local Walmart on December 29th. It was the last one in the case and it was on sale for $350.
As of today, the case is restocked with four more units at $450.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Just go back to clicking lol emojis, you're better at that.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Really?
This gen released in the middle of a pandemic, which obviously caused the transition to current-gen to be much slower than typically is the case.