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[lh032]

People still buy consoles despite games being available on PC. As an example, a lot of the guys that work in the IT projects department at work cannot stand using PCs outside of work as they're on them all the time. They'd much rather play on console.

Others truly believe that PC gaming is a pain and would rather just have a gaming device with no extra work, games are typically optimised and run without major issues.

Just because a game comes to PC doesn't mean people won't buy it elsewhere.

As with the Microsoft stuff I think everyone is reacting in a too "black and white" way to this. It's either "every game is multiplatform day 1" or "all games stay exclusive".
Sony is already doing what he is saying, they just released an exclusive day 1 on PC a few days ago with Helldivers 2 and have many more in the pipeline: Concord, Fairgames, Marathon, etc



I think consoles will always have a big audience because they are cheap and easy to use.
Lot's of people just want a $499 box that's easy to set up, optimized from the box to be used on a TV and offers decent performance for the price.
Sony games on PC day 1 won't mean everyone will start building a PC or buying some $1000+ pre built ones.

true I guess theres no point of asking all these questions now, we'll see in the future whether these multiplatform strategy will shift the platform market share.

 

[King Dazzar]

The final step will be for them to create something like the deck that goes under the TV.

It's going to be a hilarious turn of events.

I loved PC gaming but gave up due to the amount of faffing that I'd spend on it and a loathing for Windows 10. I just got tired of it after many years. But give me a PC, with a solely game focused OS/UI and simplicity in using a dualsense edge and I'd be really up for it. Steam Big Picture isnt it for me. But its heading there. Put it another way, if there were a high end PC running the PS5's OS for example, I'd be there day one.

 

[Fabieter]

As with the Microsoft stuff I think everyone is reacting in a too "black and white" way to this. It's either "every game is multiplatform day 1" or "all games stay exclusive".
Sony is already doing what he is saying, they just released an exclusive day 1 on PC a few days ago with Helldivers 2 and have many more in the pipeline: Concord, Fairgames, Marathon, etc



I think consoles will always have a big audience because they are cheap and easy to use.
Lot's of people just want a $499 box that's easy to set up, optimized from the box to be used on a TV and offers decent performance for the price.
Sony games on PC day 1 won't mean everyone will start building a PC or buying some $1000+ pre built ones.

Everyone I know on steam started on one of those consoles. So the switch to pc is underestimated.

 

[Fake]

Who gonna replace Jim Ryan?

 

[SidViscous]

I wonder if there is a multiverse where both Sony and Microsoft decide to focus on cross platform instead of consoles and then both go bust as nobody had released a console for them to make games for.

 

[Kilau]

Wars over, we can go home now.

 

[Celcius]

Hmm, seems like PC + Switch 1/2 is the way to go for me forward…

 

[GHG]

Who gonna replace Jim Ryan?

Someone worse than him, much worse.

 

[Topher]

They will learn the same thing as MS, but even harsher lesson.

The difference being MS can keep xbox alive with the billions they make from enteprise, xbox can disappear tomorrow and MS would be fine.

Sony aren't in the same position, if they make moves that devalue their console business, not only is playstation fucked but sony as a whole.

But isn't that attributing Xbox's demise entirely on day one PC releases? I don't think that is the case.

If they want big sales numbers on PC they can't release old games that sometime perform like shit on PC

They are seeing these numbers on Helldivers 2 (I know its GAAS) but you know the people looking at the bottom lines are saying Wolverine across all platforms would be a massive seller

I know I don't expect people to remember these things but I warned people eons ago this was going to happen, Bryank used to argue with me it would be the death of PS

I've been saying for ages that putting console games on PC is not going to magically turn 100+ million console gamers into PC gamers. Folks are still going to want the price and simplicity of consoles. PC isn't the threat to consoles folks think it is.

 

[Ar¢tos]

 

[onnextflix5]

They barely have any games left to on pc lol, as Xbox is bowing out on hardware, they need more exclusives to get the Xbox fans to jump ship.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

”You no longer have to buy a PS5 in the future. Go for PC.”

 

[Astray]

Their biggest issue is the lack of control over costs.

If Sony doesn't figure out a way to control costs then they will have to do unpopular things like release on Switch 2 or release on PC with at least a more stable cadence, if not Day 1.

Record quarter with only %5 profit is unacceptable.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Who gonna replace Jim Ryan?

i'm the only avenger fit for the job

 

[owandeseis]

*Checks prices of hardware*

No.

Hey, it isn't that bad when you see Playstation 5, the console that was 500€ in 2020, costs 550€ today lmao

 

[Interfectum]

Everyone I know on steam started on one of those consoles. So the switch to pc is underestimated.

MS and Sony are playing a dangerous game this gen. The reason why consoles worked for decades was because of the closed ecosystem and exclusive games. That rule still works today: see Nintendo

The problem they are running into is their consoles are overpriced and their games are over budget. Instead of blaming that, they blame the console industry / market. They are both going to render themselves simply to third party status while another platform holder (see Valve/Steam) reaps the rewards.

Nintendo is the smartest company in the console room right now. They know what's up and they are playing the long game.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Seems like moving away from console hardware is a positive thing to do, perhaps. They lost a shit load of profit pushing for that 25 million and bundling spider man 2.

Focus more on PC and sell more copies of games. Makes sense.

 

[Fake]

Someone worse than him, much worse.

Damn... is really that bad, isn't?

I was hoping for some japanese figure, but we are trading Jim Ryan with another terrible clone.

Dark times.

 

[jufonuk]

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

 

[Senua]

Who gonna replace Jim Ryan?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I've been saying for ages that putting console games on PC is not going to magically turn 100+ million console gamers into PC gamers. Folks are still going to want the price and simplicity of consoles. PC isn't the threat to consoles folks think it is.

People after a long day at work want to come home and have that box under their TV they can grab the controller and plop down on the couch and play some games and thats hard to beat for $500, all like you said price and simplicity

 

[Punished Miku]

I loved PC gaming but gave up due to the amount of faffing that I'd spend on it and a loathing for Windows 10. I just got tired of it after many years. But give me a PC, with a solely game focused OS/UI and simplicity in using a dualsense edge and I'd be really up for it. Steam Big Picture isnt it for me. But its heading there. Put it another way, if there were a high end PC running the PS5's OS for example, I'd be there day one.

If we get a Xbox system UI with quick resume loading a multi-store streamlined PC, I'd pay over $1000 for it no problem.

 

[Mr Moose]

 

[LordCBH]

Interesting. No skin off my bones, long as I can keep playing the game types I like.

 

[Topher]

Nintendo gonna Nintendo.

For now...

 

[Fake]

i'm the only avenger fit for the job

You and Jim Ryan fail to block Activision acquisition, just saying.

 

[Holammer]

The final step will be for them to create something like the deck that goes under the TV.

It's going to be a hilarious turn of events.

A Valve console form factor PC feels inevitable. When they do, everyone else will join in like they did with handhelds after the Deck.

 

[Astray]

You and Jim Ryan fail to block Activision acquisition, just saying.

The Avengers were playing 4D chess to get Halo on Playstation.

 

[Fabieter]

MS and Sony are playing a dangerous game this gen. The reason why consoles worked for decades was because of the closed ecosystem and exclusive games. That rule still works today: see Nintendo

The problem they are running into is their consoles are overpriced and their games are over budget. Instead of blaming that, they blame the console industry / market. They are both going to render themselves simply to third party status while another platform holder (see Valve/Steam) reaps the rewards.

Nintendo is the smartest company in the console room right now. They know what's up and they are playing the long game.

I know exactly what they think. This is all addional profit which is probably true short term but like you said iam convinced both sony and ms will lose big time in the long run. You can already see the effect this gen year 4 and they talking about decline YOY. Pc ports, expensive consoles and almost no exclusives to beginn with shows. Its only the beginning.

 

[Panajev2001a]

You make more money on software day 1 at the expense of some console sales. Number of consoles sold isn't the most important number any more.

That kills the 30% of all the revenue they get from third parties (sales of their games, DLC, micro-transactions). Also, all the sales of PS+ for online console multiplayer.

They put a bean counter at the top, he is trying to get profits better for the short term… I do not think they are thinking about medium to long term…

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You and Jim Ryan fail to block Activision acquisition, just saying.

I held the line it was Jim who stabbed me in the back like the little rat fuck he was

 

[Skifi28]

People after a long day at work want to come home and have that box under their TV they can grab the controller and plop down on the couch and play some games and thats hard to beat for $500, all like you said price and simplicity

That's me. All day in front of a PC troubleshooting issues, the last thing I want when I get home is to fiddle with anything. Just the sound of a console turning on and UI instantly relaxes me vs being on a windows environment. Not that I don't game on PC, but very often I don't have the energy for it.

 

[Punished Miku]

For now...

Nintendo is the best positioned for being independent. They sell whole consoles just off their games. If they transitioned to an app, it would do gangbusters on every TV in the world. Most of their games are AA.

Microsoft remains to be seen, but probably second best positioned to be a 3rd party publisher due to Call of Duty and multiple AA games.

Sony is by far the worst positioned for that transition as they need revenue from literally everything to barely make a profit on their hugely expensive games, and they barely release one a year.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

For now...

That's me. All day in front of a PC troubleshooting issues, the last thing I want when I get home is to fiddle with anything. Just the sound of a console turning on and UI instantly relaxes me vs being on a windows environment. Not that I don't game on PC, but very often I don't have the energy for it.

Exactly like my son, on a PC almost all day and just doesn't look at a PC as a gaming device

 

[SlimySnake]

”You no longer have to buy a PS5 in the future. Go for PC.”

I already did that for xbox this gen. Upgraded my pc instead of buying an Xbox. Can’t believe Sony is following suit. So retarded.

Ms didn’t get $500 from me this Gen. They didn’t get another $420 from me in xbox live subs. They didn’t get a 30% cut from any of the games i played on PC. But gabe did and he owns 6 yachts.

Sony stands to lose a $1,000 minimum from a massive portion of their most hardcore users. Their own figures showed early adopters spend $1,700 over the course of the generation. They will lose that now and be forced to whore out their franchises to Xbox.

 

[Quasicat]

My sweet summer child.

PlayStation launcher with cross save and online store coming in hot.

As long as I don’t have to play for PSN in order to get cloud saves and cross saves. That is one thing I love about Steam and Xbox, I don’t have to pay for GamePass to get cloud saves.

 

[Interfectum]

I've been saying for ages that putting console games on PC is not going to magically turn 100+ million console gamers into PC gamers. Folks are still going to want the price and simplicity of consoles. PC isn't the threat to consoles folks think it is.

It is very much a threat. Sony and MS dumping superior versions their games on PC/Steam, especially day one, is going to snag the very top end console gaming enthusiast and all of their money with it.

 

[solidus12]

Didn’t this shill say he would leave Twitter for a few days?

 

[Little Chicken]

 

[Kacho]

Nintendo is the smartest company in the console room right now. They know what's up and they are playing the long game.

Sticking to their guns has seemingly worked out well for them. Now we wait and see if the Switch successor can be equally as successful.

 

[Fabieter]

People after a long day at work want to come home and have that box under their TV they can grab the controller and plop down on the couch and play some games and thats hard to beat for $500, all like you said price and simplicity

What happens when steam machines coming back? For a good price like lets say 699 bucks? Same OS than steamdeck, same optimization than steamdeck. Don't you think alot of die hards will jump on that ship if it plays basically everything without the need of a sub.

 

[Astray]

The final step will be for them to create something like the deck that goes under the TV.

It's going to be a hilarious turn of events.

I don't think this will be as successful as most envisage it to be.

A big reason why Valve is super profitable while still being very consumer friendly via key sites and frequent discounts is because they left large-scale hardware subsidizing to Sony and Microsoft. Plus they clearly lack market execution, things like distribution etc are not easy and Valve hasn't shown an interest in mastering it (OG Steam Deck JUST became available via actual distributors in my country, this is with the OLED already out btw).

The moment Valve tries this console biz seriously is the moment things change irreversibly for PC gamers imo.

 

[Vyse]

Drop the . That was perfect my friend. I’m dying.

 

[cireza]

Sony is not Microsoft, huge chunk of gaming profit is still coming from the playstation ecosystem.
Unless you are telling me Sony gets additional profit from the PC market while the playstation side is unaffected but i doubt it.

Doubting is one thing, but Sony actually makes the calculations before taking decisions. If they are putting their games on PC, they are expecting to make more money obviously. As every company out there, they simply want to make more money.

 

[Topher]

Nintendo is the best positioned for being independent. They sell whole consoles just off their games. If they transitioned to an app, it would do gangbusters on every TV in the world. Most of their games are AA.

Microsoft remains to be seen, but probably second best positioned to be a 3rd party publisher due to Call of Duty and multiple AA games.

Sony is by far the worst positioned for that transition as they need revenue from literally everything to barely make a profit on their hugely expensive games, and they barely release one a year.

Pretty accurate assessment, imo. I think in the long run the allure of those PC dollars will be tempting for Nintendo at some point, but they are definitely in the best position, as you say, since their margins are already high.

 

[skyfinch]

Fucking finally. I can drive GT 7 Honda cars in "Racing Game of the Year" Forza Motorsport. Yall gonna see how fast I really am.

 

[analog_future]

Sony saw Microsoft was announcing this tomorrow and decided to beat them to the punch

 

[Fart Knight]

Gaming is dead as we know it

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Sony saw Microsoft was announcing this tomorrow and decided to beat them to the punch

Or in conjunction

 

[Kikorin]

Xbox fans right now