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[EmCeeGramr]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

 

[Az]

See, this is why I thought that this thread is a death trap. Every few pages or so a new member comes out with some crazy bullshit. KHarvey got it started, now who will finish.

 

[Htown]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

goddamnit EmCee

goddamnit

 

[Timedog]

See, this is why I thought that this thread is a death trap. Every few pages or so a new member comes out with some crazy bullshit. KHarvey got it started, now who will finish.

KHarvey isn't an obvious bigot or racist though, he was just doing what KHarvey always does.

 

[Mortrialus]

How the fuck does this thread continue to go to hell? I mean just when you think it can't get any lower, it does.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Perception or not when someone is shot to death a proper investigation should be carried out. The fact that the police dept. decided to drug test the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me something. The fact that the police dept. decided to run a background check on the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me more. The fact that the police don't even arrest the man tells me all I need to know.

If their ethnic background were reversed is there ANYONE in this thread that has any doubt that dude would have been locked up by that police dept. from the start? Anyone?

Trevor Dooley tried that bullshit and didn't get away without a fucking trial....funny how that works...

 

[Fenderputty]

Why would they release Travon's lack of a record as damning evidence against him though?

 

[MightyHealthy]

I guess GAF's lynch mob refuses to see that and would rather just be outraged I posted pictures of him and buddies doing stupid shit.

Let me just not be me for a second, and treat this attention-whoring mindfuck of a metaphor as part of a legit statement:

You just said it right there. It was just stupid shit that teenagers do. He was never arrested for drug dealing or charged with beating a bus driver, and it doesn't justify painting him into the aggressor, nor deserving of an altercation with someone who was stalking him against operator recommendation.

One post by someone dumb enough to ask people on facebook about weed (on their birthday) does not mean Trayvon Martin was a fucking drug dealer.

Yeah, he was caught with an empty baggie with marijuana residue, but it's how most people usually buy and store it. Doesn't mean he was dealing it, insinuating that would classify a LOT of people's friends and family as drug dealers.

Tattoos don't change his character to me either, especially when they're of his mother's name and "Nana," above hands clasped in prayer with rosary beads over them.

And just like the original article that your linked article came from, which even insinuated he was a gang member because one of his myspace Top friends was throwing up "gang signs," you're posting pictures of the twitter posts of his friends to insinuate guilt by association.

 

[Onemic]

My post:



My edited post:



Clearly by forgetting the word (and then editing it in) to provide court context - I am a radical racist.

Yes, we all know you edited your post. My point is the argument you made as to why you said he had a juvenile record in the first place. You didn't say it was a simply grammatical mistake. You said that it was because the yahoo article confused you by not including the word 'not' when talking about him having a juvenile record, causing you to make the mistake.

Edit: Also the yahoo article which I linked (and read), simply didn't include the word "not". Which of course I edited.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

slowclap.gif

Posts like these are part of the reason I keep checking in.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

How the fuck does this thread continue to go to hell? I mean just when you think it can't get any lower, it does.

Because literally anything you can think of, someone will defend it.

 

[DY_nasty]

Coming from the all-star creator of such hit threads as:

Do you trust Obama? and Are the struggles of homosexuals equal to that of blacks?

Of course it's not a joke.

Seriously though, I still can't believe that he lied. Wowsers.

...word

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

lmao

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

The thread needed this.

 

[JCreasy]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

damn

I lol'd

 

[Kinyou]

Perception or not when someone is shot to death a proper investigation should be carried out. The fact that the police dept. decided to drug test the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me something. The fact that the police dept. decided to run a background check on the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me more. The fact that the police don't even arrest the man tells me all I need to know.

If their ethnic background were reversed is there ANYONE in this thread that has any doubt that dude would have been locked up by that police dept. from the start? Anyone?

Trevor Dooley tried that bullshit and didn't get away without a fucking trial....funny how that works...

That's exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[Htown]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

Is that the latest thriller from Uncle Tom Clancy?

Spoiler

too far?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

Subscribed!!!

Is that the latest thriller from Uncle Tom Clancy?

Spoiler

too far?

Oh my.

 

[Kettch]

Perception or not when someone is shot to death a proper investigation should be carried out. The fact that the police dept. decided to drug test the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me something. The fact that the police dept. decided to run a background check on the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me more. The fact that the police don't even arrest the man tells me all I need to know.

If their ethnic background were reversed is there ANYONE in this thread that has any doubt that dude would have been locked up by that police dept. from the start? Anyone?

Trevor Dooley tried that bullshit and didn't get away without a fucking trial....funny how that works...

There's no real mystery about it. Trayvon was the original suspect, not Zimmerman. The dangerous black kid, killed in self defense.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Anybody know if Zimmerman went to the hospital after having his nose broken and head bashed in?
To me that's the #1 issue after reading up.

Apparently he refused.

Makes sense, if your head is being bashed so badly that you fear for your life, why would you go to the hospital afterward to make sure you don't have a concussion?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I dont know whats going on in here anymore.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

There's no real mystery about it. Trayvon was the original suspect, not Zimmerman. The dangerous black kid, killed in self defense.

Yea, I'm sure he was out to do no good with those skittles and ice tea. But in all seriousness the people in this thread trying desperately to defend Zimmerman just make me fucking sick.
I'm not even saying Zimmerman *IS* guilty. I'm saying the fucker should be tried. If he's found not guilty than it is what it is.

But at least the process and the system we have handles it. Not just some "detective" that says "Open and shut case, Johnson...apparently this 150-pound black kid randomly decided to mug this obese man and look...he even brought a victory meal with him of skittles and ice tea.....this is legit."

I'm just saying it blows my fucking mind that the police will say there's not enough evidence to arrest him when he shot an unarmed person with no criminal record and no drugs in his system whose only crime was wrong place and time with some God damn ice tea and skittles. Just shows me how little the police in that county value a black childs life. No wonder they fought tooth and nail to keep the 911 tapes from being released....

 

[Ashhong]

Coming from the all-star creator of such hit threads as:

Do you trust Obama? and Are the struggles of homosexuals equal to that of blacks?

Of course it's not a joke.

Seriously though, I still can't believe that he lied. Wowsers.

The funniest part of the lie is that he linked the article right after...so that everyone could see the lie. And then he tries to play it off as a typo on his part which makes no sense as it would have gone completely against his argument. Classic.

 

[Jim E. Rossler]

Guys I have insider Info that Treyvon Martin HABITUALLY neglected to wash his hands after #1 in the bathroom
I know this has no bearing on the case, but it might get brought up in court and I want everyone here to know about it.
I'M NOT BIASED JUST POSTIN' FACTS

 

[GQman2121]

What's the over/under for the amount of concealed handguns that are going to be at this rally in FL tonight?

Here in Baltimore, the local NAACP chapter is holding a rally right now at the Inner Harbor. From what I'm told, they're hoping to focus on local issues and talk about ways that police and other arms of law enforcement can respond to situations so that something like this doesn't happen in our city. It's about two blocks from my house, so I'm headed down there right now to check it out. I can only hope that the bible thumpers are not there preaching about how we need to pray for black kids that are now targets and being attacked. Race played a role in this boy's death, but it should not be the focus. That's the simple way to get motivated and look at what's happened and it's only a small part of the big picture.

Speaking of which, I'm really disappointed by how comparisons to Emmitt Till are being mentioned. That was a straight up hate crime, motivated by pure racism.

This kid was just at the wrong place, at the wrong time. The clothes he was wearing and the color of his skin didn't do him any favors, but this Zimmerman dude was just looking for trouble that night. I honestly believe that.

 

[Joe Molotov]

This story makes me fear for my life. I need to start shooting everyone I see in the street just to make sure they're not dangerous.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Can't believe there is still some discussion. A minor was stalked by an older man for sometime. If Martin initiated physical contact, he would have been perfectly justified as he felt threatened.

 

[MightyHealthy]

Meaning I forgot to include the word "not" in my post?

Really?

This is what your original quote said before the edit:

The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

He "has not" a juvenile record? Why would you start speaking like you were in the Elizabethan era?

In the context of the point you were making at the time, it made no sense to follow up two supporting thoughts with one that contradicted your statement.

This is what you say right after:

Not really working in his favor - given the history of Florida jurors. Assuming this actually goes to trial of course.

How would not having a juvenile record work against his favor?

Lies upon lies. *smh*

 

[Liberty4all]

Basically I see two very distinct and opposing narratives coming out in the media concerning all of this.


Narrative #1. Trayvon, a young black youth, is walking home from store after buying bag of skittles. Racist overzealous neighborhood watch captain Zimmerman follows Trayvon, chases Tayvon down, confronts him (after being told not to by 911 operators), a scuffle ensues and Zimmerman shoots the unarmed Trayvon dead, an obvious use of excessive force.

Narrative #2. Tayvon, a troubled black youth, is walking home from store, possibly casing out some houses for future crimes. Zimmerman a well known and respected neighborhood watch captain, contacts the authorities while keeping tabs on Tayvon's location. Tayvon confronts Zimmerman, attacking and breaking Zimmerman's nose. Zimmerman is forced to fire on Tayvon in self defence shooting him dead, an obvious need to use excessive force.


Personally I'm withholding any opinion and waiting to see how the courts sort it all out. There are two VERY different stories being played out in the media right now, and without all the facts of the case it's impossible for any of us to really know what went down.

 

[Korey]

After being beaten to the ground by Towering Black Football Player Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman reluctantly pulls the trigger in self-defense. Martin falls back and lets loose a mighty African laugh. "So it begins!" he cries (translated from thug language).

The transponder on his wrist contacts the White House, where Operation Caliphate sits waiting.

"Your majesty," cries an aide (likely homosexual), "Agent Martin, codenamed Fire of Allah, has completed his mission!"

Imam Hussein Obama clasps his hands and smirks, a "jazz cigarette" in his mouth. "And now the honkies will pay."

Best post of the thread so far

 

[Mr. Patch]

Let me just not be me for a second, and treat this attention-whoring mindfuck of a metaphor as part of a legit statement:

You just said it right there. It was just stupid shit that teenagers do. He was never arrested for drug dealing or charged with beating a bus driver, and it doesn't justify painting him into the aggressor, nor deserving of an altercation with someone who was stalking him against operator recommendation.

One post by someone dumb enough to ask people on facebook about weed (on their birthday) does not mean Trayvon Martin was a fucking drug dealer.

Yeah, he was caught with an empty baggie with marijuana residue, but it's how most people usually buy and store it. Doesn't mean he was dealing it, insinuating that would classify a LOT of people's friends and family as drug dealers.

Tattoos don't change his character to me either, especially when they're of his mother's name and "Nana," above hands clasped in prayer with rosary beads over them.

And just like the original article that your linked article came from, which even insinuated he was a gang member because one of his myspace Top friends was throwing up "gang signs," you're posting pictures of the twitter posts of his friends to insinuate guilt by association.

I like that you used "gang signs" in quotes. I hope I'm not the only person that thinks that dude is throwing up an M for Miami.

 

[echoshifting]

Personally I'm withholding any opinion and waiting to see how the courts sort it all out. There are two VERY different stories being played out in the media right now, and without all the facts of the case it's impossible for any of us to really know what went down.

Do you believe those narratives have equal merit and should each be given the same level of consideration?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Personally I'm withholding any opinion and waiting to see how the courts sort it all out. There are two VERY different stories being played out in the media right now, and without all the facts of the case it's impossible for any of us to really know what went down.

This is what everyone should be doing, but emotions and getting caught up in them can be a bitch.

 

[Yoritomo]

What's the over/under for the amount of concealed handguns that are going to be at this rally in FL tonight?

There are 906,924 valid concealed carry license holders in Florida. They have a population of about 19 million. So roughly 5% of Floridians have a concealed carry license.

When you break it down to the male female split and also with age then. Lets be generous and assume the 15 million adults in Florida are 48 percent male .

We have about 7.2 million males in Florida above the age of 18 and since 80% of the concealed carry license holders in Florida are male we have 725k male Concealed carry license holders in Florida (this is including ex cops, military, private investigators, security, etc. that are licensed to carry.)

Roughly 10% of all men in Florida over the age of 18 are licensed to carry a concealed weapon.

I for one have decided to not carry out my planned crime spree in Florida...

 

[bob_arctor]

How the fuck does this thread continue to go to hell? I mean just when you think it can't get any lower, it does.

So far I've been able to mentally filter out the assholes and just scan quickly for new info but damn it gets harder and harder each time.

 

[Liberty4all]

Do you believe those narratives have equal merit and should each be given the same level of consideration?

Yes.

It's up to the courts to decide which narrative is correct. Based on information that none of us have (eyewitness reports, evidence on the scene, etc).

 

[GaimeGuy]

New facts (such as Trayvon being suspended for drugs) are coming out each week?

Irrelevant. (Also not supposed to be public record, wonder who the murder apologists bribed to learn about that.)

 

[Kettch]

Basically I see two very distinct and opposing narratives coming out in the media concerning all of this.


Narrative #1. Trayvon, a young black youth, is walking home from store after buying bag of skittles. Racist overzealous neighborhood watch captain Zimmerman follows Trayvon, chases Tayvon down, confronts him (after being told not to by 911 operators), a scuffle ensues and Zimmerman shoots the unarmed Trayvon dead, an obvious use of excessive force.

Narrative #2. Tayvon, a troubled black youth, is walking home from store, possibly casing out some houses for future crimes. Zimmerman a well known and respected neighborhood watch captain, contacts the authorities while keeping tabs on Tayvon's location. Tayvon confronts Zimmerman, attacking and breaking Zimmerman's nose. Zimmerman is forced to fire on Tayvon in self defence shooting him dead, an obvious need to use excessive force.


Personally I'm withholding any opinion and waiting to see how the courts sort it all out. There are two VERY different stories being played out in the media right now, and without all the facts of the case it's impossible for any of us to really know what went down.

The vast majority of people simply want to see him arrested and tried. The problem is that before the public outrage, there weren't going to be any courts involved. The police concluded their investigation and didn't charge him, handed the case off to the state.

When it looks like something simply isn't going to decided in the court, there's not much stopping people from coming to their own conclusions.

 

[echoshifting]

This is what everyone should be doing, but emotions and getting caught up in them can be a bitch.

To me it is just more of the false equivalency nonsense that many Americans seem to feel must be preserved in any discussion of anything these days.

I agree with the basic idea that everyone should ultimately wait on the court's decision...but it's not like we are debating whether or not to storm Florida with torches and pitchforks. We are speculating and discussing, which is a perfectly natural thing to do in a situation like this. Therefore, in the context of the thread - not what people should do with this information out in the real world - I consider the notion that the "other" media narrative being developed here should be seriously examined and respected to be questionable, to say the least.

Also as Kettch rightly points out, this may never have gotten its day in court were it not for all this speculating and discussing.

Yes.

Based on information that none of us have (eyewitness reports, evidence on the scene, etc).

Let's just call this Exhibit A. One need only go over the last few pages of the thread to know just how meritorious that "other" narrative is.

 

[DY_nasty]

Yes.

It's up to the courts to decide which narrative is correct. Based on information that none of us have (eyewitness reports, evidence on the scene, etc).

Based on the info we do have, the guy should've been arrested and the Sanford PD should be getting a moderate amount of house cleaning.

 

[DaMan121]

This is what everyone should be doing, but emotions and getting caught up in them can be a bitch.

But it's not going to court... yet.

 

[Liberty4all]

The vast majority of people simply want to see him arrested and tried. The problem is that before the public outrage, there weren't going to be any courts involved. The police concluded their investigation and didn't charge him, handed the case off to the state.

When it looks like something simply isn't going to decided in the court, there's not much stopping people from coming to their own conclusions.

Yeah I've thought about that. The south isn't exactly known for equitable justice between whites and blacks (I don't live in the south, but I know that's the stereotype (truth?) most people associate with it -- that black people get the shaft down south when dealing with "the law"). Personally I think Zimmerman should have been arrested that night to await his day in court to defend himself. That issue though I see as different from the actual narratives themselves.

Alot of people though are seeing this as walking hand in hand with Narrative #2. A good ol boy doing his thing and the cops basically taking the white guy's and his white neighbors word for it without actually doing any proper investigative work first (true or not? I don't know)
Regardless it WILL be going to court now and justice will be served, be it Zimmerman being convicted of murder, or full acquittal (or possibly something in between like manslaughter).
No matter what happens, I think you can be sure that some people aren't going to be happy with the results. I do think that full acquittal will result in riots though.

edit: Riots if it doesn't make it to court too.

 

[TheOMan]

Really?

This is what your original quote said before the edit:He "has not" a juvenile record? Why would you start speaking like you were in the Elizabethan era?

In the context of the point you were making at the time, it made no sense to follow up two supporting thoughts with one that contradicted your statement.

This is what you say right after:How would not having a juvenile record work against his favor?

Lies upon lies. *smh*

You are a very patient person.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Yes.

It's up to the courts to decide which narrative is correct. Based on information that none of us have (eyewitness reports, evidence on the scene, etc).

I don't know. I think people should rationally come to conclusions based on reconciling the plausibility of conflicting narratives to arrive at the most likely conclusion while reserving the right to revisit their stance should new evidence surface.

 

[Baconsammy]

Hopefully it goes to court, because that will at the very least mean that someone with some power thinks that what Zimmerman did is fucked up. Unfortunately what truly needs to be on trial are Florida's idiotic carry laws.

 

[GQman2121]

Baltimore's City Hall.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Yeah I've thought about that. The south isn't exactly known for equitable justice between whites and blacks (I don't live in the south, but I know that's the stereotype most people associate with it -- that black people get the shaft down south when dealing with "the law"). Personally I think Zimmerman should have been arrested that night to await his day in court to defend himself. That issue though I see as different from the actual narratives themselves.

Alot of people though are seeing this as walking hand in hand with Narrative #2. A good ol boy doing his thing and the cops basically taking the white guy's and his white neighbors word for it without actually doing any proper investigative work first (true or not? I don't know)
Regardless it WILL be going to court now and justice will be served, be it Zimmerman being convicted of murder, or full acquittal (or possibly something in between like manslaughter).
No matter what happens, I think you can be sure that some people aren't going to be happy with the results. I do think that full acquittal will result in riots though.

edit: Riots if it doesn't make it to court too.

Honestly, from everything heard, a manslaughter convictions seems pretty open and shut considering the recklessness of Zimmerman's actions which DEFINITELY lead to Travyon's death. (The idea that Zimmerman was jumped by Travyon is pretty much the only possible defense against a manslaughter conviction, and it smells like bullshit considering the other information we know, but again, that is supposed to be for the courts to determine). Murder charges might be dropped if they can muddy the watters enough, although I think it would be completely disgusting if that happened. If you stalk someone with a gun, confront them, and kill them with the gun, that's about as aggressive as it gets legally.

 

[ffdgh]

hoodie power!

 

[Korey]

The vast majority of people simply want to see him arrested and tried. The problem is that before the public outrage, there weren't going to be any courts involved. The police concluded their investigation and didn't charge him, handed the case off to the state.

When it looks like something simply isn't going to decided in the court, there's not much stopping people from coming to their own conclusions.

Exactly. We just want a proper investigation and evidence presented and Zimmerman tried.

 

[Liberty4all]

To me it is just more of the false equivalency nonsense that many Americans seem to feel must be preserved in any discussion of anything these days.

I agree with the basic idea that everyone should ultimately wait on the court's decision...but it's not like we are debating whether or not to storm Florida with torches and pitchforks. We are speculating and discussing, which is a perfectly natural thing to do in a situation like this. Therefore, in the context of the thread - not what people should do with this information out in the real world - I consider the notion that the "other" media narrative being developed here should be seriously examined and respected to be questionable, to say the least.

Also as Kettch rightly points out, this may never have gotten its day in court were it not for all this speculating and discussing.



Let's just call this Exhibit A. One need only go over the last few pages of the thread to know just how meritorious that "other" narrative is.

Both sides seem to think their narrative is meritorious. The issues of incompetent (possibly racist/racial profiling) police work done in the case, ridiculous carry laws in Flordia to me are completely separate issues from the two narratives and these separate issues carry alot of emotions carrying into how people view the actual incident itself.

You can bet that this WILL go to trial now. And the two narratives will be what is decided. For me personally I can see both narratives but no clue which is true. Don't have the facts. Zimmerman may very well be a true and true racist. Or he may very well have acted in self defence. The bits and pieces of "evidence" we are hearing though, aren't nearly enough to decide either way (IMHO).

The issue of the cops not arresting him now though ... fuck that. Typical racial profiling of an investigation I think. That's a whole OTHER narrative that really needs to be fixed. It is also (I think) a part of why people are SO pissed. Black guy gets shot, light skinned guy walks without even a trial to determine guilt or innocence, that is bullshit.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Both sides seem to think their narrative is meritorious. The issues of incompetent (possibly racist/racial profiling) police work done in the case, ridiculous carry laws in Flordia to me are completely separate issues from the two narratives and these separate issues carry alot of emotions carrying into how people view the actual incident itself.

You can bet that this WILL go to trial now. And the two narratives will be what is decided. For me personally I can see both narratives but no clue which is true. Don't have the facts. Zimmerman may very well be a true and true racist. Or he may very well have acted in self defence. The bits and pieces of "evidence" we are hearing though, aren't nearly enough to decide either way (IMHO).

The issue of the cops not arresting him now though ... fuck that. Typical racial profiling of an investigation I think. That's a whole OTHER narrative that really needs to be fixed. It is also (I think) a part of why people are SO pissed. Black guy gets shot, light skinned guy walks without even a trial to determine guilt or innocence, that is bullshit.

It doesn't matter whether or not he's racist. He stalked and killed an unarmed teenager he outweighed by 100 lbs. And why did he kill him? Because the teen acted in self defense against someone stalking him in the middle of the night.

That's murder. There was only one party acting out of self-defense. Unless you believe Zimmerman's story, which is essentially that Travyon at first tried running away from Zimmerman (he says this himself in the 911 call, Travyon was fleeing), then had a change of heart, stopped running away, turned around, and stalked Zimmerman back to his car and jumped him. (this being the 3rd revision of Zimmerman's story IIRC).