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Football Thread 2013-14 |OT2| Caravanning all the way to France

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Yen

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April 2013:

1. Real Madrid £600million
2. Manchester United £359.7million (All Glazer debt lumped onto the club)
3. Barcelona £369.5million
4. Arsenal £104million
5. Bayern Munich- NO DEBT they have been in profit ever since the 2011-12 season.
6. AC Milan £298.8million
7. Chelsea- NO DEBT they made a profit of 1.2million dated April 10th 2013
8. Juventus £48.65million
9. Manchester City- NO DEBT but have yet to release their profit margins
10. Liverpool £237million
That's definitely not accurate for Liverpool. I think we technically have £80m of debt but some of that is owned to our owners, think it's £30m. The rest was writing off the cost of the old stadium plans, and the terrible transfer decisions of KK and DC era.
 

Turok_TTZ

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Yeah, United fucking sucks. So does Madrid.

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/truth-about-debt-at-barcelona-and-real.html

It's less than I thought, but its not just Madrid. It's your entire league, and two teams in that league are making it harder for clubs to come out of debt. It's a despicable business practise, if ruthless.

my number comes from this year. not last year. but as you can see from roughly 150m in debt last year to roughly below 130m this year. We are paying off our debt. the rest are stuff of transfers, salaries, taxes. normal expenses a club would normally pay.

adding normal expenses to debt to make it look bigger is not wise naughty god.

I do agree on the tv deals issue however. Sadly, Flo is a great business man but a ruthless one as well. I do not think will change in the near future. sad considering la liga's state.
 

L1NETT

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Pulga and Wilbz, all the clubs you support are historically huge and are built on success, be proud of that.

The true enemy is the scummy oil clubs who are ruining the game. Call them cunts, not each other.
 

Yurt

il capo silenzioso
GUYS STAHP

Actually 29.
What's the difference? It's still an absurd number of titles.
Apparently Ljajic is stilling on an extension and now City may make a run at him. I know we were interested in Pjanic before but I don't think we've been linked to Ljajic until recently. I think it's in his best interest to extend with Fiorentina.. they have a pretty exciting team even minus Jovetic.
They're willing to sell him for 10M, I think.
 

Wilbur

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Isn't it fair to say that the players you list all have better player surrounding them than Bale does? If it wasn't for his multiple late wonder goals I'm pretty sure Spurs would be enjoying the middle of the table with us last season.

Maybe a lack of any meaningful football and the sight of Moyesies boggly bug eyes have made you grouchy.

Well Spurs have a better midfield than United, Juventus have had shit strikers up until this point. Bale was relatively quiet until near Christmas, and relatively quiet until the Inter Milan matches a few years ago. He hasn't had one amazing dynamite season consistently yet, like Vidal has two years in a row, like RVP had for Arsenal the season before. For all we know, his talent could be best distilled in bursts and not consistently over a season like Ronaldo or Messi. I think he's brilliant, but he still has a lot to prove. I wouldn't immediately say he's top five players in the world.
 
GUYS STAHP
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Wilbur

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So you're telling me you're deeper in the hole than we are?

EL-OH-FUCKIN-EL

Why does this even fucking matter you calamitous grape?

It's the fucking shittest argument. It's fucking 'wayne rooney' to an extreme degree.

"God Madrid fucking suck"
"UNITED CAN'T SIGN ANYONE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL"

Am I not allowed to comment on Madrid's shit business practises or are you gonna cry like all the Barca fans do when you watch their club
 
April 2013:

1. Real Madrid £600million
2. Manchester United £359.7million (All Glazer debt lumped onto the club)
3. Barcelona £369.5million
4. Arsenal £104million
5. Bayern Munich- NO DEBT they have been in profit ever since the 2011-12 season.
6. AC Milan £298.8million
7. Chelsea- NO DEBT they made a profit of 1.2million dated April 10th 2013
8. Juventus £48.65million
9. Manchester City- NO DEBT but have yet to release their profit margins
10. Liverpool £237million

I thought FSG paid off our debt when they bought us?
 

Turok_TTZ

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Why does this even fucking matter you calamitous grape?

It's the fucking shittest argument. It's fucking 'wayne rooney' to an extreme degree.

"God Madrid fucking suck"
"UNITED CAN'T SIGN ANYONE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL"

Am I not allowed to comment on Madrid's shit business practises or are you gonna cry like all the Barca fans do when you watch their club

ignore pulga, he is a plastic madrid man who doesn't even watch most of our games.


and u are welcome to comment on our practices. its shit sure but we cant do much about it. only the socios can pressure flo on it but so far they have not.

I thought FSG paid off our debt when they bought us?

that list is inaccurate. it includes salaries and transfers, etc instead of pinpointing the debt.
 
Real Madrid is bigger than Juventus. So what? I still love Juve as much as Madrid. Where's the insult? Im not a fucking crybaby like you guys who can't face the facts, and even resort to making complete BS up like Naughty God up there.

The hell are you talking about? I never cried over it. I noted how funny it was for you to make fun of United for not being as big as Madrid and selling Ronaldo to Madrid, when Juventus is in the same position as United and sold Zidane to Real Madrid too.

It was funny that you unintentionally insulted your 2nd club.
 

Wilbur

Banned
ignore pulga, he is a plastic madrid man who doesn't even watch most of our games.

and u are welcome to comment on our practices. its shit sure but we cant do much about it. only the socios can pressure flo on it but so far they have not.

He's a poison on the club. Is he allowed to run again unopposed for as long as he wants to, when it comes to it? Or eventually does he reach a maximum term?
 

bjaelke

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Soon he will be.

#WengerBelieve

Ayre confirmed Arsenal's two bids but said: "It's not something we're interested in and, as our fans would expect, we rejected both. The player is not available for sale - that's where we are and that's where we'll stay

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Oh hey not too shabby.

Bad Luck Pazzini. He's fourth choice now, isn't he?
Until he recovers, pretty sure that he'll be back in the top three when he gets back. Either Petagna or Niang will be loaned in january I guess, probably the one who scored less goals.
 

Salvadora

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According to Forbes, Arsenal's debt to value ratio is 29%.

Higher than any other club in the world by a huge margin, except Marseille. Manchester United are 18% for comparison.
 

Turok_TTZ

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He's a poison on the club. Is he allowed to run again unopposed for as long as he wants to, when it comes to it? Or eventually does he reach a maximum term?

Santiago Bernabeu been president for a glorious 3 or so decades so there is no limit to how many times one can run for president as far as I'm aware of. Flo can remain president as long as he wants as long as he is kept being re-elected each time the elections come up. this year he was re-elected and ran unopposed (zero candidates).

He is not a poison, we are actually paying our debt. A poison to the rest of the world however... this I agree lol. Florentino Perez was after all the man who started this whole inflated transfer fee mess to begin with. It is because I am a madrid man, that I recognise our mistakes.
 
I kinda wanna play Dota 2

If you sign Bale, that will put you massively back in the red surely? He does not have the marketing ability of Ronaldo or Beckham, and thus will not come close to the transfer paying for itself
 

pulga

Banned
"You earn your money by being part of a corrupt duopoly that hinders the rest of your domestic league", cheers 4 ignorin m8

I agree that the TV deal is bullshit, no question about that.

Business sense? 100m transfers sets a precedent, Pulga. Come on.

Blame the fucking oil clubs spending 40-60m on average players.

Harmony? Was last year's bullshit with Casillas, Ronaldo, Ramos all just a wittle lie by the pwess? No, come fucking off it. Shit happened. As soon as you start spending 100m on people and giving them huge transfers and benching others, shit starts happening again.

You're missing the big fucking variable in that picture: Mourinho. We'll see how Ancelotti handles it.

Why does this even fucking matter you calamitous grape?

It's the fucking shittest argument. It's fucking 'wayne rooney' to an extreme degree.

"God Madrid fucking suck"
"UNITED CAN'T SIGN ANYONE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL"

Am I not allowed to comment on Madrid's shit business practises or are you gonna cry like all the Barca fans do when you watch their club

Because you were the one wishing death and destruction to Madrid for building debt upon debt and, turns out, you're far fucking deeper in the red than we are :lol :lol :lol :lol
 

pulga

Banned
ignore pulga, he is a plastic madrid man who doesn't even watch most of our games.

and u are welcome to comment on our practices. its shit sure but we cant do much about it. only the socios can pressure flo on it but so far they have not.

Today it's "most games", huh?

Loooooooooooooool. Do you even realize you're the comedic relief around here?

Believe me, it's not because you're particularly funny.

He's a poison on the club. Is he allowed to run again unopposed for as long as he wants to, when it comes to it? Or eventually does he reach a maximum term?

You're fucking mental. We're doing awesome in the business sense and doing much fucking better in the sporting sense than the Calderon era.
 

Turok_TTZ

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Today it's "most games", huh?

Loooooooooooooool. Do you even realize you're the comedic relief around here?

Believe me, it's not because you're particularly funny.
Says the man who doesn't even know who isco was when we signed him.
Had you watched our games vs malaga you would have done well to remember who he was.

Comedic relief? Not sure if Serious and Holy Shit at the Irony.
Whatever floats your boat, plastic man.
 
Our commercial team are nearly as bad as our negotiators.

We'll be up shit creek without a paddle if we lose out on the Champion's League.

I think you guys have more fans than anyone except for United, Barca, and Madrid. Not sure who has more between you and Liverpool.
 

LTWheels

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I kinda wanna play Dota 2

I've recently started playing. Really enjoy it. Put about 20hrs in so far. The in game guide system is really good and useful to ease yourself into the game.

If looking for guides and info on YouTube, I don't recommend looking at guides from very experienced players. They often skip over the very basics and talk about using characters at the 'pro' level.

I found TotalBiscuit's videos really useful to help me learn the game. In his videos he has basic dota knowledge and is learning the character's whilst playing. It's useful to see how to use character's at a basic level and can learn from his mistakes.
 

pulga

Banned
Says the man who doesn't even know who isco was when we signed him.
Had you watched our games vs malaga you would have done well to remember who he was.

Comedic relief? Not sure if Serious and Holy Shit at the Irony.
Whatever floats your boat, plastic man.

Don't let the hyperbole get to you, I asked what Isco's best position was. Isn't that the point of this thread? Comment and debate? Some of us have jobs and responsibilities, can't expect me to be glued to the tube. Which is why I come into this thread, to learn and catch up on things Im ignorant about.

Which is much better than coming into this thread pretending to be some ITK who actually doesn't know the difference between a donkeys asshole from the shit spewing out of his mouth.
 

ShogunX

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Well Spurs have a better midfield than United, Juventus have had shit strikers up until this point. Bale was relatively quiet until near Christmas, and relatively quiet until the Inter Milan matches a few years ago. He hasn't had one amazing dynamite season consistently yet, like Vidal has two years in a row, like RVP had for Arsenal the season before. For all we know, his talent could be best distilled in bursts and not consistently over a season like Ronaldo or Messi. I think he's brilliant, but he still has a lot to prove. I wouldn't immediately say he's top five players in the world.

Bale certainly has a lot to prove like you say but he just seems to of matured massively as as a player (If he were at Barca we could call him TRT Bale). I would be surprised if he doesn't play at a similar level for the next few seasons. I wouldn't put him in the top ten at the moment but he can certainly get there if he can perform consistently. Which ever club he starts next season with he is going to have massive expectations on his shoulders. It's going to ''make or break him''.

The worry for Levy must be is can Bale's stock get any higher? Is his value at an all time high right now after a second half season masterclass?
 
Madridistas turning on each other.

You wankers stahp.

I watched probably every game last season and I went to a lot of games.

I win.

Do you not see pulga's avatar? His avatar shows his true alliance.

Don't let the hyperbole get to you, I asked what Isco's best position was. Isn't that the point of this thread? Comment and debate? Some of us have jobs and responsibilities, can't expect me to be glued to the tube. Which is why I come into this thread, to learn and catch up on things Im ignorant about.

Which is much better than coming into this thread pretending to be some ITK who actually doesn't know the difference between a donkeys asshole from the shit spewing out of his mouth.

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Everyone just let it out.
 
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