MAX/FULL/ULTRA are called that for a reason. They are usually horribly optimized and offer marginal benefit.Not every game at 60fps with full settings on.
Some games are just poorly optimized.
I just want to break this myth of everything will be great with a mid range rig. you are going to have to lower settings for. A lot of newer games with a mid range rig.
consoles are a curated experience. you pay a modest price, get your modest hardware and get a guided tour of the lot. they are great entry level or supplementary devices, but offer the user no agency beyond what the manufacturer has planned for them.
there is a lot of fervour right now as some of those who are deeply connected to their hobby are having trouble coming to terms with the fact that their preferred console model is one which doesn't necessarily reward a large degree of investment. they offer a prescribed package tailored to the mass market.
if you are someone who wants to invest in this hobby beyond treating it as a distraction, you must have a PC. it's not even a question. in both next gen console's entire lifetimes, they won't build anything close to library of defining titles already available to the PC today. though i'm not sure how much of that you can already explore on your laptop.
there are big things coming to the PC market. DD has given way to an entire frontier of maverick game design, price and distribution which the consoles are scrambling to emulate, multiplatform support will be of unprecedented quality, the oculus rift is on the cusp of starting a revolution, esports is firmly rooted on the platform and 20nm GPU tech should see a performance leap like we haven't seen in years.
so i guess it all comes down to how active you want to be in your hobby. do you want to kick back at the end of the day and enjoy titles for what they are, enjoying tightly honed AAA blockbusters and signed-off indie titles without too much scrutiny or agency beyond playing the game itself? or do you want to actively invest in crafting the best experience you can for yourself, personalised for your idiosyncrasies?
all this is before getting into a power debate, the results of which are already firmly established. i will say that come october, the radeon 9000 series is dropping and the 20nm fabricated nvidia maxwell is pencilled in for q1. should you choose to go with PC, if you can wait until then, do.
Hell, I have a GTX460 and a CPU so old it's not even funny anymore, and I still can play a lot of games at 60fps these days.
It does bother me. not everyone has a copy of windows laying around with an unused licenses and good m/k can easily cost $200+ .
The you guys say " you only need a super cheap m/k". But when the gaming mouse and gaming keyboard threads pop up you guys throw out some very expensive recommendations.
I have gtx770 and ivy bridge i7 3770 along with a nice case , nice m/k , 2 hhd, 8 gigs of ram. And it wasn't cheap. And there are still games I can not play on full settings just because they are not really optimized that well.
It does a little because if you not playing games at full settings in 1080p at least then why not just get a console for a lot less of price is the issue?
And also why shit on console players at that piont as well?
I'm in a similar predicament where my PC is just powerful enough to not need upgrading anytime soon, but there are more powerful options out there.
i7 930 (no idea how to overclock, though everyone says that it's easy)
12gb of ram
GTX 570
I know I don't need to upgrade, but I kind of want to. I was waiting until after the next gen consoles came out to decide what to do, but neither system has any exclusives that I want right not (at least not enough to buy a new console for). I'll be getting enough money for a decent upgrade at the beginning of next year, as well as fall of next year, and I'm trying to think of what to do. Maybe buy some parts (mobo/cpu) now, then beef up the video card in the fall perhaps.
If I were going to get a console now, it'd be a PS4, with a XBone after a price drop.
Is this true?
$300 is mid range now?
Why it shouldn't be?Is this true?
I'm in the same dilema as the OP. New PC or console. Ultimately I decided on PC, here's why
PROS:
-My current PC is 10 years old, so I think it's about time I upgrade
-The new PC will go in my room as oppose to a console which will be in the basement
- Been console gamer for the last 10 years time to try something new
- Cheaper games and better deals
- I never buy console day 1 anyways
- No yearly subscription bullshit
CONS:
- Very expensive, almost 4 times as much as current price of consoles
-Getting games to work on PC can be a frustrating experience
-missing out on exclusive console games
Ultimately I decided on PC. The specs Im aiming for are;
AMD FX 8350
2tb hard drive
3 gb vid card
8 gb ram
you never hear die hard PC gamers say " PC graphics are superior! but I have to tone down the settings". lol
just bringing in some reality to this built up fantasy.
I am buying all 3rd party games this holiday on PC thats coming out on pc, but some of these barely under $1k rigs you guys are throwing out will probably have to dail back the settings on a few of them.
Ohohohoh.Always depends on game, resolution and settings.
GTX460 is a pretty outdated card: PS4's GPU has 100% more FLOPS than GTX460 and some PCgaffers consider PS4 "low-end". lol
One of the points of getting a PC is to play with higher settings than the consoles, just because you can not hit some insane setting in a game does not make that invalid!
I have all the parts for a new PC lined up, which would cost me around $1200. On the other hand, PS4 is a much cheaper alternative and has console exclusives that really interest me, plus all the PC games I would end up getting ayway. I will end up getting PS4 at some point - the only thing that made me seriously consider PC is the impending death of my current laptop. I've never been a big PC gamer, but maybe now is the time to switch?
So, GAF, can you sell me on one or the other?
Also, nobody say XBO - I don't plan to get one anytime soon.
Why it shouldn't be?
Sure, it's true, it's just about making some reasonable compromises.
For a start I play at 1680x1050 (not the now "usual" 1920x1080) because that's the native resolution of my monitor and every time I have performance issues I lower or turn off settings I don't care much about, like AA, ambient occlusion, PhysX, sometime shadows.
It depends on the games, really. The least demanding, I don't even need to lower a thing.
The most resource-intensive, I may have to compromise more.
What's important to me is native resolution (because of image clarity), good framerate and the best textures available. Everything else is negotiable, searching the best balance between visual appeal and performances.
That's another thing I love about PC gaming: it gives me options, it lets me choose how to enjoy the game at the best of my personal preferences and possibilities.
Incredibly, even without having to spend millions of dollars in a new system, regardless of what some users can claim in this topic.
Always depends on game, resolution and settings.
GTX460 is a pretty outdated card: PS4's GPU has 100% more FLOPS than GTX460 and some PCgaffers consider PS4 "low-end". lol
OP here - and yes, this seems to be the case. I would love to jump on the PC game train, and it will happen eventually. I think it will be sometime in the future, however.It seems to me that the OP has already made up his mind and is going to get a PS4.
When the time comes, and you are ready, you will join us PC gamers in the sun
One of the points of getting a PC is to play with higher settings than the consoles, just because you can not hit some insane setting in a game does not make that invalid!
That's not true at all.
Every platform has it pros and cons. Please stop disguising your personal beliefs as universally valid facts. I'm a multiplatform gamer myself, I own a very decent PC and I can only shake my head at your stupid post. PC gaming is nice and everything, but many PCgaffers here just deceive themselves.
Yeah but just being in 1080p and having to cut back aa, texture res, draw distances.. Ect isn't being better than anything. It's just being Ina higher resolution.
It's like how many people's pcs will be able to play bf4 in the settings that is greatly above the ps4?
pretty sure what's been shown was all settings up .. at1080p and 60fps. The rigs recommended In This thread probably won't hit that.
but if your goal is to fore go top of the line for stable frame rates then don't pretend like these cheap pcs will get both.
So, why are you insisting in comparing my GTX460 with a PS4, exactly?Both GTX460 and PS4 use 1D shaders and PS4 easily wins the spec sheet war against the former in terms of FLOPS, fillrates, VRAM pool and bandwidth.
So, why are you insisting in comparing my GTX460 with a PS4, exactly?
What are you trying to argue for?
Always depends on game, resolution and settings.
GTX460 is a pretty outdated card: PS4's GPU has 100% more FLOPS than GTX460 and some PCgaffers consider PS4 "low-end". lol
Yeah, extremely vile and unfair, and I have no idea who chose it and why, but I'm growing almost fond of it after a while.You tag is hilarious hahahaha
Eh. It was a low budget GPU even in 2010 when I bought it to upgrade my old system a bit.PS4 better than a 460? What a huge win.
yea same here. I didn't play any PC games from Jan to October 2013 because I was studying calculus and advance functions like a mad man. I got a 7970 in Oct 2013 and I enjoyed maxing out games like Far Cry 3 and PlanetSide 2. But I can't remember the last PC exclusive title I enjoyed...right now I am happy with a PS3, PC and Vita. I will probably clear up my back log for those systems before moving on.I'm in the same situation. Other than my video card my PC is from 2009, plays everything I throw at it ATM but can't max out more recent games.
I'm opting for a PS4 at this point in time, as I've recently come off of PC games and gravitated to my PS360 backlog. I'm genuinely having more fun on consoles than I've had on PC in the past few months. The only game I ended up play day after day was League of Legends...
Actually you can: Both AMD and Nvidia are using 1D shaders for their GPUs today and if you know fillrates and bandwidth you can guesstimate perforcmance quite well based on paper specs.
The times of "Nvidia FLOPS are worth more than AMD FLOPS" are long gone. A couple of years ago, AMD used 5D (and later 4D) shaders for their VLIW architectures, while Nvidia used 1D shaders. AMD's VLIW chips had crazy amounts of FLOPS in theory, but since the architecture was not able to deliver it's full theoretical power in real life scenarios, people started talking about PaperFLOPS and how much more efficient Nvidia cards are.
Both GTX460 and PS4 use 1D shaders and PS4 easily wins the spec sheet war against the former in terms of FLOPS, fillrates, VRAM pool and bandwidth.
Yeah, extremely vile and unfair, and I have no idea who chose it and why, but I'm growing almost fond of it after a while.
If the settings and/or performance is still better than the consoles.... IT IS STILL BETTER THAN THE CONSOLES!
Use some damn logic!
That system that Addnan posted will easily smash what the PS4 will be doing in BF4, it does not matter if it is the max the game is capable of or not.
Both is honestly the way to go.
in the long run yes, but at launch? no way! You are forgetting the red ring of death and fat PS3's dying and crashing alll over the place
My 60gb fat PS3 still works even today.
How can I use logic with no real examples? I have yet to play a ps4 game to compare it to the PC version and at what setting.
I do know what an i7 3770 and gtx oc 770 can do.
I also know what the bf4 demo rigs had running in them.
Is that why BF4 is downgraded on PS4?Yeah because GTX780 has something that Nvidia calls "Hyper-Q". It increases GPGPU efficiency greatly.
AMD has the same tech. A HD7970 doesn't use it, but PS4 and AMD's upcoming GPUs will use it. It's the asynchronous fine-grain compute stuff Mark Cerny talked about. By the way: A Geforce Titan has 32 compute queues for Hyper-Q, PS4 will have 64.
Just asking the PC people here again though: How well do you think a GTX760 will hold up over the next couple years?
The only "next-gen" game I might run on it this year is Watch_Dogs. Going into 2014 the first next-gen game I know I'm going to buy is probably Witcher 3. Otherwise I'm mostly going to be using it to run games that came out within the last couple years (Tomb Raider, Skyrim, Far Cry 3, etc.).
Not good. GTX760 has 2GB VRAM, but Killzone Shadow Fall, a release title for PS4, already uses 3GB for graphics tasks alone.
Just think back a little: PS3 and Xbox360 had 256MB VRAM. How long did you have "awesome" PC graphics with 256MB VRAM?
Just asking the PC people here again though: How well do you think a GTX760 will hold up over the next couple years?
The only "next-gen" game I might run on it this year is Watch_Dogs. Going into 2014 the first next-gen game I know I'm going to buy is probably Witcher 3. Otherwise I'm mostly going to be using it to run games that came out within the last couple years (Tomb Raider, Skyrim, Far Cry 3, etc.).