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[Discotheque]

I post before I read because I don't want my comments to be stolen.

It makes a lot more sense after you read the OP here though lol, I retract my previous statement.

 

[ReiGun]

I don't really understand the point of this. I mean, the kid could still get a sex change when he's older if he's still set on being a woman. Giving him hormone blockers just feels wrong.

 

[LakeEarth]

The source seems dubious, but if true I would personally equate this to child abuse. Easily.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

...weren't Ron Swanson's wives named Tammy?

Oh and yeah, this is obviously child abuse. I believe they should have the child taken away from them.

 

[subversus]

Hey you guys.



Read the story.

I don't want to but I'm also not going to comment on the situation

any conditions which led to this development will make me ill.

 

[Dresden]

They said Thomas threatened to mutilate his genitals when he was 7, and psychiatrists diagnosed a gender identity disorder.
One year later, he began transitioning to Tammy.
After much deliberation with family and therapists, the child began taking hormone blockers a few months ago. The medication, which must be changed once a year, was implanted in the boy’s upper left arm.
Tommy will continue this treatment until he turns 14 or 15, at which point he will be taken off the blockers and pursue the gender he feels is the right one. He will then either start his puberty cycle as a boy – or begin making the full transition to a girl.

I dunno, doesn't sound that evil to me.

Also the doctor they quote in the beginning is the fucking senior health editor for Fox News.

 

[kehs]

Hey you guys.



Read the story.

It's poorly formatted and goes against my initial rage.

What do I do?

 

[Stet]

Hormone blockers don't make him any less of a male, people, jesus. They delay the onset of puberty so he has more time to decide the road he's on so he doesn't end up killing himself like a lot of other transexuals have.

 

[sangreal]

I don't really understand the point of this. I mean, the kid could still get a sex change when he's older if he's still set on being a woman. Giving him hormone blockers just feels wrong.

um, that's the point. They aren't giving him a sex change, they are delaying puberty to give him more time to decide

 

[Dunlop]

That's fucked up and they should go to jail for child abuse.

this times a million

 

[ManDudeChild]

Wait, nevermind. I missed the genital mutilation bit.

But he said threatened, not DID. But there's a lot of context and details missing here.

 

[BreakyBoy]

This is like a crash course in who is reading the article and who isn't. Too many words GAF? Does your brain hurt from all the words?

GOD WHY IS THE INTERNET SO FULL OF WORDS.

 

[FoneBone]

Also, there have been a number of stories of this ilk over the past few years - most of them involving children of straight couples - and the OP's emphasis on this being a LESBIAN COUPLE speaks volumes. (Even Fox News didn't feel the need to mention that in their headline.)

 

[Ferrio]

Hormone blockers don't make him any less of a male, people, jesus. They delay the onset of puberty so he has more time to decide the road he's on so he doesn't end up killing himself like a lot of other transexuals have.

Exactly. It's just prolonging the time he has to make the decision, so when he's old enough he CAN make it himself.

 

[likeGdid]

Don't worry guys. I, too, become enraged about articles before fully reading them.

EDIT: Considering the child's gender identity issues, isn't allowing more time for his or her own decision, good?

"Obviously, when two females adopt a male child, then assert that the child is not actually male, but is, instead, actually a female -- like both of them. Everyone in the family should be psychologically evaluated in a comprehensive way before a step like gender reassignment is considered,” said Ablow.

Amazing

 

[Gaborn]

I don't really understand the point of this. I mean, the kid could still get a sex change when he's older if he's still set on being a woman. Giving him hormone blockers just feels wrong.

Read this thread from 2008. If they are serious about it it's best to begin early. And delaying puberty can help make the decision in a less pressure packed environment.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Kid in 10 years:

 

[sebajuNujabes]

I'm having a hard time believing everyone is reading the OP. It spells out pretty obviously what's going on here, and it's not as deplorable as the headline or the editorialized content makes it out to be.

Yeah, I don't know if they really had much of a choice when considering:

They said Thomas threatened to mutilate his genitals when he was 7, and psychiatrists diagnosed a gender identity disorder.

I really hope they, and the doctors supporting this, are making the right call.

 

[The Technomancer]

Hormone blockers don't make him any less of a male, people, jesus. They delay the onset of puberty so he has more time to decide the road he's on so he doesn't end up killing himself like a lot of other transexuals have.

Which is why I've got a problem with this. I have no issue with his/her gender confusion or desire to be female or anything. What I take issue with is that they're screwing with his/her physiology in ways that we may not understand.

 

[Ferrio]

Which is why I've got a problem with this. I have no issue with his/her gender confusion or desire to be female or anything. What I take issue with is that they're screwing with his/her physiology in ways that we may not understand.

Wait what? "We may not understand"?

 

[jon bones]

Hormone blockers don't make him any less of a male, people, jesus. They delay the onset of puberty so he has more time to decide the road he's on so he doesn't end up killing himself like a lot of other transexuals have.

and what about all the side effects of these hormone blockers? you're just gonna shoot your kid up with all this shit?

 

[akira28]

I swear to god I'm so afraid of ending up with a former post-op. I mean, even if she was hot, it would be too much for me.

I empathize with the issues at hand, but yeah the whole gender decision thing...gives me the willies.

 

[Binabik15]

Yeah, if it's the child's decision (and realistically I bet it is, you can make a child do a lot of things but if a child didn't want THIS I'm pretty sure they'd make it known) this is a good thing. I've posted a thread before about a recommendation from the Endocrine Society that said that earlier decisions on this issue make the transition easier if you're going to do it.

I´m going to leave this here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Petras

The article says that there´s specialists involved, that´s good enough for me.

 

[The Technomancer]

Wait what? "We may not understand"?

How much data do we have on the long term effects of hormone suppression treatment? This is an honest question, I'm open to being proven wrong.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

This kind of news is fodder for homophobic people.

True, but these mothers are strightaphobic.

 

[Speedymanic]

That's fucked up and they should go to jail for child abuse.

No. Read the article.

Which is why I've got a problem with this. I have no issue with his/her gender confusion or desire to be female or anything. What I take issue with is that they're screwing with his/her physiology in ways that we may not understand.

Not really. They are just delaying the onset of puberty. It's no different from someone having a delayed puberty because of an illness like Cancer, etc.

 

[Ferrio]

How much data do we have on the long term effects of hormone suppression treatment? This is an honest question, I'm open to being proven wrong.

Probably quite a damn bit. Seeing how we use hormone therapy in a shit ton of things nowadays. And this isn't the first case of someone doing this. Better this than the kid committing suicide in the future.

 

[computers putin']

bizarre

 

[Kurdel]

I swear to god I'm so afraid of ending up with a former post-op. I mean, even if she was hot, it would be too much for me.

I empathize with the issues at hand, but yeah the whole gender decision thing...gives me the willies.

Must.... Resist... Avatar quote...


Also, people are reeeaaallllyyyy ignorant in this thread. Go read up and come back when you grasp, what is at hand here.

 

[Mr.Awesome]

Probably quite a damn bit.

Before puberty?

 

[Amagon]

I have no idea what to say about this. I'm puzzle about the whole situation. :/

 

[Meus Renaissance]

Provided the lede of the story is true and the parents are providing the child hormone blockers on their own as part of making a philosophical point, that's problematic.

Considering the world we live in, this couple - perhaps more than any other - may be more likely to pursue a course of action that gives their child the most comfort with their sexual identity at the earliest opportunity. I don't believe there are ulterior motives at play here, if that is what you were implying

 

[AkuMifune]

By all means, take your time. No pressure at all.

 

[TUSR]

Won't he still have a penis though, im so confused by these stories.

 

[Gaborn]

How much data do we have on the long term effects of hormone suppression treatment? This is an honest question, I'm open to being proven wrong.

Enough that the Endocrine Society, an international medical association recommended this tactic 3 years ago?

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Not really. They are just delaying the onset of puberty. It's no different from someone having a delayed puberty because of an illness like Cancer, etc.

I agree, these two are like cancer.

 

[PumpkinPie]

11-year-old BOY.


Dear, oh dear.

 

[sangreal]

Which is why I've got a problem with this. I have no issue with his/her gender confusion or desire to be female or anything. What I take issue with is that they're screwing with his/her physiology in ways that we may not understand.

It isn't even fully understood how Tylenol (acetaminophen) works. You're setting a pretty high bar

 

[Kurtofan]

For comparison's sake, the OP's other thread:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448545

Sounds like the OP has a thing for posting misleading news from dubious sources.

"I'll just leave this here" sounds like trolling too.

 

[SmokyDave]

I'd rather that than they let him cut his cock off. Try reversing that if you change your mind at 15!

I wonder if his gender identity crisis was caught earlier because the parents are a lesbian couple and (presumably) more aware of that sort of thing?

On the surface though, this is pure fodder for those that wish to ignore the words and decide that these bad gay ladies made that boy into a girl. No wonder Fox picked it up.

 

[2San]

Was about to scream child abuse and in the back in my head nothing could talk this right, but after reading the article. I'm confused. I honestly can't blame the parents for making this decision. If I would do the same thing is another. Honestly it's not an easy situation to be in. Wish the couple and the kid luck. :O

 

[likeGdid]

I wonder if his gender identity crisis was caught earlier because the parents are a lesbian couple and (presumably) more aware of that sort of thing?

I wonder about this kind of thing also. In a stereotypical nuclear family whatever, would most parents slap the barbies out of the boy's hand and tell them to play insert-manly-sport-here?

 

[Sol..]

i'm confused. some of the comments aren't matching what i'm reading. Because it sounds like they are doing whatever they can to make sure this kid has to chance to make a informed decision.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I set aside the moral and social ramifications of this situation, I just think it's absolutely wrong to fuck with a child's hormones before they are 17.

But in this boy's case, it appears like it's too late. These parents had their claws dug in since the day he was born.

Might as well let them finish what they started.

 

[Gaborn]

Won't he still have a penis though, im so confused by these stories.

Tammy would be going on hormone blockers to delay puberty. She'd still be physically a boy in appearance.

Assuming she decides to go through with it the next step would be HRT, Hormone Replacement Therapy. That basically (and I don't know the details since i'm not trans) would suppress her testosterone and increase her estrogen. At this stage natural breasts and other female characteristics would start to appear after a while.

When she's ready, and probably after a certain age (but I'm not sure about this) if she was she can have "sex reassignment surgery") which... I think it speaks for itself. Basically you chop off the penis and create a vagina. I really haven't looked at the specific details but I'm sure you can if you want!

My understanding is though a lot of trans people don't feel the need for SRS once they've had the hormones and are living as their true gender. For some it's a very important final step, for others the fear of the surgery is enough to stop them.

 

[Mr.Awesome]

For comparison's sake, the OP's other thread:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448545

Sounds like the OP has a thing for posting misleading news from dubious sources.

Yes, I am American so unfortunately a good bit of news does come from places like Fox news and MSNBC. I don't see how it's misleading though. The headline is indeed what is happening, and then posted the whole article for everyone to read, purposefully not offering any of my own commentary.

 

[Trojita]

Thomas began saying he was a girl when he was 3 years old, his parents said in an interview with the Daily Mail. He was learning sign language due to a speech impediment, and one of the first things he told his mothers was, “I am a girl.” They say they thought he was confused or mistaken, and signed back, 'No. No. Thomas is a boy."
But Thomas insisted, they said. He shook his head “no” and repeated what he had signed.
They said Thomas threatened to mutilate his genitals when he was 7, and psychiatrists diagnosed a gender identity disorder.

That is very odd if true. At 3 years old the concept of gender is still forming.

It would usually be that if they were signing they would say Tommy was a boy and point to themselves to say their girls. The concept wouldn't mean much at that time to the child except knowing that word as an identifier for themselves.

 

[TheNatural]

It isn't even fully understood how Tylenol (acetaminophen) works. You're setting a pretty high bar

Comparing Tylenol to messing with hormones, really?

 

[2th]

Kid will regret it come high school where he/she/it gets tormented mercilessly. Which will possibly result in suicide which will possibly result in lawsuits for bullying. Yeah... how did anyone think this was a good idea?

 

[Dresden]

On the surface though, this is pure fodder for those that wish to ignore the words and decide that these bad gay ladies made that boy into a girl. No wonder Fox picked it up.

Sounds about right.

I set aside the moral and social ramifications of this situation, I just think it's absolutely wrong to fuck with a child's hormones before they are 17.

But in this boy's case, it appears like it's too late. These parents had their claws dug in since the day he was born.

Might as well let them finish what they started.