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Boy refuses to live as male; parents seek help of therapists, opt for delayed puberty
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Trojita said:
I disagree with this COMPLETELY. From birth boys are put in blue blankets and girls in pink blankets. Baby girls are given more girly toys and baby boys are given more boyish toys.
Aside from that though there is ample evidence that gender is deeply ingrained, as the tragic tale of David Reimer attests. Though in his case an accident during circumcision destroyed his penis and he was sexually reassigned by his parents to be raised as a girl. Problem being he WASN'T a girl and knew it early on and was constantly acting out against it.
Think of this as the exact same situation only the SRS hasn't been performed yet. David Reimer's mind KNEW he was a boy, just like Tammy's mind apparently KNOWS she is a girl.
2th said:
What. The. Fuck.
Always-honest
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if true, yes.Esperado said:
ManDudeChild
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Trojita said:
Along those lines, part of me is wondering if perhaps they jumped on board a bit too quick given his age. But again, a LOT of context is missing.
Charoncaori
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Guys, the doctor they quoted in the article works for Fox News health. There are also studies disagreeing with him when he says that it's a disorder of the mind, not the body.
Article is a troll.
Article is a troll.
A lot of people seem to be not reading the full article...? I mean from the first paragraph or so you might think that the parents are crazy, but after reading about the kid calling himself a girl and threatening to mutilate himself it's much more understandable. It sounds like this was recommended to them by doctors and therapists, and its a much better solution to the problem rather than having the kid do something drastic down the line.
Charoncaori
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And they're not "fucking with" his hormones, they're just delaying them. He'd develop completely normally if he stopped taking them, the doctor they're quoting is just throwing around what-ifs not based on any kind of medical science.
2th said:
Your view of the world is really astonishing.
Not only you don't understand the situation at hand, but are generous enough to think of the poor "he/she/it"s feelings? They should of asked your advice rather than the myriad of medical profesionals!
Read the article, they are taking the time to not make a mistake.
Earthstrike
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The source if fox, so it's going to be worded to make it seem like it's something its not.
The boy ALREADY STATED that he wanted to be a girl. So instead of making him a girl they are simply trying to delay it so that he doesn't make a terrible decision.
And usually, when a boy states that he wants to be a girl, and he dresses up like a girl reglarly, it not just "confusion" or some other bullshit someone makes up.
Getting a sex change later is an option, but last I checked, the earlier a sex change occurs, the better its overall outcome.
The boy ALREADY STATED that he wanted to be a girl. So instead of making him a girl they are simply trying to delay it so that he doesn't make a terrible decision.
And usually, when a boy states that he wants to be a girl, and he dresses up like a girl reglarly, it not just "confusion" or some other bullshit someone makes up.
Getting a sex change later is an option, but last I checked, the earlier a sex change occurs, the better its overall outcome.
Mr.Awesome
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To illustrate the sex difference (i.e. lesbian couple infers 2 women and boy, well, infers boy).FoneBone said:
Red Liquorice
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This isn't their decision to make. Firstly nature decides, then if you want, you can do something about it.
The likelyhood of straight parents doing this is slim, but let's be real - this couple are a pair of idiots regardless of their sexuality and in no way represent gay parents.
The likelyhood of straight parents doing this is slim, but let's be real - this couple are a pair of idiots regardless of their sexuality and in no way represent gay parents.
As a side note, I'm impressed and amazed that we have the medical knowledge and capability to make the physical transformation from male to female (or opposite) through hormone therapy and srs. Shit's amazing. Sucks so many people lived and died without having any options for correction.
(Correction may not be the best word, anything more appropriate?)
(Correction may not be the best word, anything more appropriate?)
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
I don't think the child can make an informed decision until they've gone through puberty. That's a very confusing time for everyone, and not allowing the process to take place naturally is more likely to cause a misinformed decision than letting it occur, I would think.Sol.. said:
Gender identity is a very complex thing that isn't truly well understood even in the field of developmental psychology. If the child is a transsexual, that's a somewhat different matter, but still. All of this seems premature to judge cognitively for the child, and the parents should be supportive, but not probing, imo.
The Technomancer
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I did actually know a person in high-school who felt so androgynous that they asked their close friends to use gender-neutral pronouns when referring to them. Just saying in response to the scorn some people are giving the he/she/it comment.Kurdel said:
Charoncaori
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I think this is the first pro-Fox News thread I've seen on this entire site.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
*sigh*
Bad parents.
Bad parents.
TheJollyCorner
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Ferrio said:
Why? Because some people don't agree with your view of the world?
Get over it.
Trojita
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I doubt the baby is really thinking about the color of the blanket right after it was born. We assign a gender identifier, but a baby could care less.Gaborn said:
A lot of toddler toys are gender neutral.
David Reimer was biologically a boy with a mutilation, that's a bit different different than this. Besides that, he started identifying as a boy during puberty. This is a bit different from a fucking toddler saying "I'm a girl"
Pachterballs
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HOW IS THIS NOT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
WTF AM I READING!?
WTF AM I READING!?
Wrestlemania
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Isn't not reading the OP a bannable offense?
OK, to be blunter: that this is a lesbian couple probably does make them more open to such treatment than many straight couples. But beyond that, it's not directly relevant unless you're trying to push some nonsense about LESBIANS imposing a SINISTER LESBIAN GENDER AGENDA on an INNOCENT LITTLE BOY. In which case...
get bent. Seriously.
get bent. Seriously.
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
This is amazing. It's like unbolded letters are invisible to people.
Hormone blockers sound actually like a good idea in this case. They're just postponing the decision until he's older and can decide by himself.
Hormone blockers sound actually like a good idea in this case. They're just postponing the decision until he's older and can decide by himself.
Dr.Palutena
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This thread makes me really sad.
samus i am
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You people are being trolled...... either that or you haven't read the article. Probably both.
Charoncaori
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To be fair, the subject matter is pretty damn confusing. I had no idea this stuff was so involved before I made friends with a group of people that included a transgender person and had a few heated discussions.Gaborn said:
My boyfriend and I still argue whether Sheik is a guy or a girl.
Gaborn said:
I'm not going to malign the parents because they seem to want to do right by their kid. This isn't necessarily wrong, its just a difficult question that some didn't want to address so early. Especially since homophobia in the South has been fighting gay marriage and especially gay adoption for decades because they believe gay adoption will breed gender issues and more homosexuality. This doesn't prove or support anything like that, but it gives them plenty of ammo to misrepresent the issue to their low information audience that is ready to believe that anyway.
jeremyxc said:
Thats a lot much.
TheNatural
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I wonder if this situation was opposite, and a child felt he should be bigger and parents put him on roids to bulk up. If someone wants to make the decision when they're 18 and legally able to make those decisions, that's fine with me. An 11 year old has no idea what they're getting into, they just accept what the parents are giving them.
Mr.Awesome
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Is there a specific age of when a person identifies with a gender? Honestly, I thought it was puberty that more or less made us do that do to the onslaught of hormones. Not to get into environmental expectations, but I thought that's why we see little boys put on their sisters dresses and whatever the vice versa would be.
Kurdel said:
when someone has a confused gender identity and in this situation it is obvious the child doesnt know for certain if it wants to be a girl yet... then i typically use he/she/it to cover my bases.... way to see something sinister in there when there isnt.
as for the kids feelings... its high school, also known as one of the most emotionally unstable periods in the life of any human being. straight kids have it hard, gay kids have it hard, and a transgendered kid is going to have it just as hard. are you so naive as to not think that this is going to cause an issue for the kid in high school where mocking and torment are common place? regardless of any preparation they do the kid will still have problems. that is how high school works.
Pachterballs
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Acerac said:
I read it. I disagree with what is being done. I get that he thinks he's female.
The_Technomancer said:
Oh ok! Your anecdotal experience makes it MUCH less offensive not that I think about it.
Oh wait. No it doesn't.
He/she or he/she/it is generally used in a dismissive or dirisive manner. I don't think it's okay, and usually correct people even if they have no bad intentions.
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