LittleBusters
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Why is everyone convinced that PS5 SSD is the only thing that matters now?
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Brad Sams talks Xbox Series X's " Sustained Performance "
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geordiemp
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What is his evidence for sustained SSD spead vs Ps5 ?
None, move along. Is logic and reasoning hard for you, some people are challenged.
Are you really thick, all you do is personal insults, people like X-fighter are fun to discuss with, you are just sad.
Maybe you should write to Cerny and ask them to change the SSD spec from 5.5 Gbs and 22 Gbs max to half that if ps5 gets warm, and ask all Ps5 developers to listen to your excellent technical advice and change their target streaming performance because Eeastwood on GAF says so. /s
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Dr Bass
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If you're a "fan" of one platform, you're going to have to accept there are fans of competing platforms who won't think the way you do. It's ok. Brad Sams/Tom Warren/Paul Thurrott can be Microsoft fanboys if they want. There are plenty of Apple fanboys like John Gruber, Rene Ritchie, and Jim Dalrymple. I don't know who the Sony fans in the media are honestly. But plenty of clearly slanted coverage of stuff out there.
eastwood333
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MS's own words (jason ronald)in terms of XSX's SSD being sustained. Don't know about PS5's but Cerny or Sony have not disclosed that info.
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I didn't say it was completely more advanced I said it was more advance than the Xbox SX in more ways than the Xbox SX is more advance than the PS5.
it's always going to depend on the approach of the devs
longdi
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Same can be said opposite, if your design needs high clock, any loss of clocks, turn into a handicap
geordiemp
Member
Then the video is tripe isnt it, as its sugegsting ps5 is only peak SSD speed. based out of his arse.
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eastwood333
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Its so advanced that its nearly 2 TFs weaker and bigger in size.
IntentionalPun
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I think it's being assumed from this slide:
The "at least"
edit: Sounds like this was a slide showing their "goal" and they later explained they actually reached 5.5GB/second.
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eastwood333
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We'll see. I guess he's basing that on the fact that Sony has been hyping up their SSD and have yet to mention one key fact: if that number is even peak or sustained, yet MS comes out confidently and says XSX SSD number is sustained.
Or, he's gotten inside info from somebody. He does have insider resources.
Of course some games will benefit more from Xbox SX design & some will benefit more from PS5 design , anyone making blanket statements about which console is the best right now is just running their mouth.
LOL we will see when the games come & you can't find them 2 TFs
geordiemp
Member
I think it's being assumed from this slide:
The "at least"
Based on compression ratio, which has since improved and both consoles jave RDO BCn compression. So no. Estimated load times have to take into account variable compression of BCn.
Not one key fact ...mmm
1. Spiderman loaded in 0.8 seconds.
2. Speed 5.5 Gbs
3. Max decompress speed 22 Gbs
4. Typical with Kraken 8-9 Gbs
5. Sony have bought for all ps4 and ps5 oodle texture so additional 2 x for textures BCn over the 8-9 Gbs
6 Ratchet and clank world changes gameplay
7. UE5 demo and Epic comments on more than next gen level SSD (lets skip the superlatives, there were allot, i can link you all the tweets if you want).
Thats more than MS, we have yet to see one thing load quickly. Just 1.
What are you referencing lol.
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Omnipunctual Godot
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Guess we'll have to wait for Digital Foundry to see how big the difference will be.
TalentedMrJ
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Quote is useless showing a game that originally released in 2006...
Time to shut up about power and produce NEW games.
They better kill it on the 23rd
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eastwood333
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Yes and we already saw PS5 1st party exclusives at the sony event. Nothing wowed anybody. But they looked solid.
splattered
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Because it's the only hope as far as specs go
OK lol
geordiemp
Member
I thought the Ratchet busy enemy numbers, screen activity and particles screemed Zen2 to me. You wont see that on Jaguar.
Lets see how busy halo infinite looks if it runs on Jaguar - you realise if there are 6 enemy spawn with similar animations and movements it will just show last gen is over, which we all know deep down even if you dont want to admit it. At least the frame rate will be high with simpler requirements...
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cireza
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Sony was super professionnal in their video on how to lend a PS4 game to someone.
ZywyPL
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Yeah, it's not like all the CPUs and GPUs inside PCs, laptops, smartphones etc. throttle, it's all just a mass imagination, and all the benchmarks in the web are fake, manipulated.
eastwood333
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I disagree. With the exception of the 1-2 second loading warp scenes, that game could easily be a cross gen game running on a PS4 with toned down resolution and other effects. It looked solid on PS5, but nothing wow factor.
eastwood333
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Yes, and many others feel the same way. Nothing from the event said "WOW, now thats next gen!" Most of what i saw was, " those could have ran on PS4 at higher resolution and other effects."
What? lol what are you even talking about?
turtlepowa
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You are here on GAF for 6 years now, you should already know how things work. It's funny + clever if Sony mocks Microsoft and childish + arrogant if Microsoft does so.
IntentionalPun
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That slide doesn't reference compression and says "bandwidth."
I don't think it's proof of anything myself, but I think it does seem like it makes it possible that the SSD isn't always as 5.5GB/second. It's odd that they listed 5.5 over and over in the same slide presentation and then had in that one spot "5gb/s at least."
At minimum though that slide is implying that if variable, the low is 5GB/second.. so that's pretty fucking great and far better than a sustained 2.5GB/second.
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IntentionalPun
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That tweet, from 2 months ago, is about backwards compatibility.
eastwood333
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NO. I said it could run on PS4 at lower resolution, lower framerates, have loading times,no ray tracing, and downscaling other effects. Most of the games looked cross gen to me or were nothing more than cinematic trailers.
I'm not in the minority on this. Most people were not wowed by anything at the sony event.
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LittleBusters
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Ray-tracing and almost non-existent load times = next gen.
geordiemp
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You do realise you have random read speeds based on size of read not every data is streamed linearly.
You just making crap up but giving me a good laugh. Sustained SSD is amusing FUD for sure, at least go read up how hardware works so you can try better.
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geordiemp
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Fixed that for you - fans opinion of the "oppositions" hardware and games is hardly enlightening or interesting.
I am interested in fable and medium to see them, but I dont neg them just for lols.
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The quote is only a few posts away look up that's not what you said
IntentionalPun
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WTF did I make up?
That slide clearly isn't referencing compression. I didn't accuse you of making anything up or laugh at you; but then again I'm not a fucking twat. WTF is wrong with people here?
This is not how civil discourse goes. If I'm wrong about something, explain it to me. Instead you goal post moved from compression to something else and insulted me.
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RaySoft
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That slide was Sonys target goals BEFORE they came up with what they have today...I think it's being assumed from this slide:
The "at least"
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I think it's being assumed from this slide:
The "at least"
If people would properly listen and understand what he's saying there wouldn't still be this obtuse confusion.
The "at least" was the minimum they were targeting. The "dream" was 5.5gb. They ended up fulfilling that dream of 5.5gb.
Watch. The. Video. And. Listen. Properly.
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LittleBusters
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Who else thinks Brad Sams is cringey AF?
IntentionalPun
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because, now you have to say "9GB / s" and complement it with "really", because otherwise it is a lie?
just because MS marketing is made for idiots, do you want sony tb to be like this?
"this car has a top speed of 200km / h"
you : "hurrr durrr didn’t say it is 200km / h sustained"
?
Dave_at_Home
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I dunno, considering how the PS5 stream broke records, the overall reaction seemed pretty good. Sony's held back, though. They're definitely gonna hit back after full Series X reveal. I'm betting a PSVR2 sneak peak. I'm also betting Hellblade 2 will be the Xbox game to show off all its strength.
geordiemp
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Your making up a narrative in your head. Go watch and listen to the slide if your genuinely interested (which your not clearly) its on video.
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Journey
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I think it's being assumed from this slide:
The "at least"
There's also the word "Target" not actual.
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eastwood333
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It's simple. The games at the Sony event didn't wow most people. They looked cross gen, including the PS5 1st party titles or were cinematic trailers. In fact, it was so underwhelming that the pixy dust/unicorn overhype SSD business stopped immediately. None of the games came even close to the UE5 tech demo.
I say they looked cross gen because me and many others think those games at the sony event could run on PS4 with downscaled effects.
Lets not overcomplicate this.
ZywyPL
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You act like throttling doesn't exist, at all, well guess what, it is a real deal, and it's actually very common, so being able to run a CPU or GPU on a constant level of performance is quite a feat. I mean, you the forum's most famous SSD fetishist, so you should know best a thing or two about throttling and sustained performance for god's sake.
IntentionalPun
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No, I'm just pointing out where other people are getting the idea it isn't sustained.. and outright said I don't think that slide proves anything, but it could be suggesting it's variable... instead of just explaining how I'm wrong you are a fucking cunt about it.
You also completely changed your explanation across 2 posts.... WTF?
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eastwood333
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No, thats the majority of people on this site and many other gaming forums. And i agrue that its a small minority of sony fans (like you)who were "wowed" by the games at the sony event. You're fighting a losing battle if you think most gamers were "wowed" by the graphics of the games at the Sony event.
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geordiemp
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Really ? You need to take a step back from the keyboard.
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It is a mixture of arrogance with stupidity and ignorance.
arrogance for thinking that his opinion is relevant.
stupidity and ignorance because he thinks he has 5 more idiots with the same opinion as him, makes them "the majority"
geordiemp
Member
You opinion is valid for you, but you are not a concensus. Your spreading FUD again.
You can quote metrics to suggest interest or lack of, or say X sold poorly therefore I suggest that,......XXXX...
But at least try and be logical. Your just spouting fanboy persinal views so nobody cares.
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Snake29
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you guys are still crying over a 5 sec video after 6 years or something? The fact that you have to dig into something that’s already a generation old, means you can’t find any new weird or childish tweet or something else from Sony. You can clearly see the difference in how they approach their fans. The one is screaming for attention with a lot of buzz around it, and the other is just straight to the point with their marketing on social media.
One affects the mass and the other only fanboys.
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