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Crow thread: Elon Musk has owned Twitter for one year now
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Its not just about money, Advertizers control platforms. Look at what happened to youtube.
ManaByte
Member
Websites need advertisers to survive. Musk himself says this will kill X. Which is probably the goal. He'll let it die and then someone will buy it in bankruptsy.
Konnor
Member
If sites need the cancer to survive maybe we should go back to donation based forums, advertisers are what ruined the internet. Musk isn't letting go of twitter btw, like all billionaires Musk bought it to enforce his own way of thinking not to make money.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Vicetrailia
Member
Linda the CEO is getting paid 2 million a year to be Elons fluffer. This may ruin her CEO career though.
Scotty W
Member
There is no way you laughed or even smiled at this.
Thaedolus
Member
Pretty much
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I don't think this man has any principles, much less is an actual free speech absolutist given that he's censored or deplatformed others on the site multiple times because he didn't agree with them.
And y'all agreeing with him is weird ... Yeah advertising is the problem... Meanwhile, he's losing money on his investment and not making money BY HAVING ADVERTISING. That makes no sense.
And y'all agreeing with him is weird ... Yeah advertising is the problem... Meanwhile, he's losing money on his investment and not making money BY HAVING ADVERTISING. That makes no sense.
dorkimoe
Member
He has censored more than the previous owners.
Sushi_Combo
Member
Nobody sensible wants to be associated with that from a business and consumer pov.
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Thaedolus
Member
It’s so very obvious that his whole game is trying to appear cool and righteous, while completely failing to live up to his talk the second someone said something he didn’t like.
I like that he was able to get the electrification of cars mainstream and reusable rockets going, and I’ll likely subscribe to Starlink someday soon for mobile work while camping. But nobody personifies extremely divorced dad Kirk Van Houton energy more than Elon these days
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Man, Elon is an absolute genius and has done a lot for humanity, but the guy has the emotional intelligence of a 14 year old boy. He’s his own worst enemy most of the time.
Could’ve easily undone the ideological aspects of old Twitter without destroying the ability to get mainstream advertising.
Cut off the government influence, stop banning accounts for things like stating basic biological facts, don’t ban major press outlets for posting stories that run contrary to one side’s political agenda, etc. But keep overtly hateful content off the platform per reasonable internet standards.
But Elon chose a different route, and keeps making things worse with his personal actions. The numbers just don’t add up right now. Paid blue checks alone won’t keep Twitter afloat, and charging everyone $1/year will do more harm than good.
Cut off the government influence, stop banning accounts for things like stating basic biological facts, don’t ban major press outlets for posting stories that run contrary to one side’s political agenda, etc. But keep overtly hateful content off the platform per reasonable internet standards.
But Elon chose a different route, and keeps making things worse with his personal actions. The numbers just don’t add up right now. Paid blue checks alone won’t keep Twitter afloat, and charging everyone $1/year will do more harm than good.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I hope twitter/x or whatever he wants to call it now, along with other social media mind-rot all crashes and burns. But they are powerful tools of persuasion, sadly.
Maybe there is a problem with the system that allows big-tech and massive corporations to avoid taxes full stop? And "public servants" getting wealthy in the process is one of them.
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newtypepilot
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man, the latter part of the clip is way worse than the "go fuck yourself" part.
Sure, Elon, it's all the advertisers' fault. You tell that to earth.
Dr.Morris79
Member
The left can't meme.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Advertisers were okay when the platform had bigotry, sexism, phobias, government 1A sidestepping and all other narrative controlling shit prior. Now that it's a lunacy FFA instead of select protected platforms of lunacy... they want to stomp feet as if any of that impacts "selling shit" in the real world. Especially when your advertising messages are product focused instead of politically.
The man literally showed right after he bought it, that all of this was there prior, and advertises turned the cheek then to it.
We've done this test before when we had a politics board. I leaned on the side of leftl/libertarian. I do have some conservative values as well. But the Overton window shifted so much, that a classic fucking liberal from the 90s is now "conservative" and that is ripe bullshit and how far left things have gone in the media/politics ether.
Anyone with half a brain can step back and see that criticisms of big players are carefully selective, and that is when one side that controls the narrative feels threatened.
Don't forget there will always be a 30-year-old sex scandal waiting to get you back in line. Right, Mayor Adams?
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
What in the world are you talking about?
The dude has sunk upwards of at least $25 billion in cash into Twitter. What taxes did he avoid over that amount?
Chittagong
Gold Member
Watching the whole 1.5h thing, it is pretty clear to me that he believes the advertising business is beyond active rescue. He basically has three options
1 - The platform continues to be the number 1 source for breaking news, like Sam Altman firing. Thus, once they have virtue signalled to their heart’s content, enough advertisers will remain on the platform for commercial viability.
2 - The platform as an exclusive real time data asset directly tapping into humanity is much more valuable for X.ai than advertisers so they won’t matter at all. If X.ai got to similar valuations as OpenAI that would be viable, running X would be just a cost.
3 - Neither of the above works and he will divest or shut the whole thing. He believes the world would hold the advertisers somehow liable for killling the only real-time channel for humanity to discuss all things.
He has no idea which scenario will play out, but seems to clearly to be at peace with the three scenarios, saying - “however the chips may fall”
1 - The platform continues to be the number 1 source for breaking news, like Sam Altman firing. Thus, once they have virtue signalled to their heart’s content, enough advertisers will remain on the platform for commercial viability.
2 - The platform as an exclusive real time data asset directly tapping into humanity is much more valuable for X.ai than advertisers so they won’t matter at all. If X.ai got to similar valuations as OpenAI that would be viable, running X would be just a cost.
3 - Neither of the above works and he will divest or shut the whole thing. He believes the world would hold the advertisers somehow liable for killling the only real-time channel for humanity to discuss all things.
He has no idea which scenario will play out, but seems to clearly to be at peace with the three scenarios, saying - “however the chips may fall”
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Thaedolus
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I’m sorry I thought this was a thread to serve up crow to people who thought this would be a disaster when, by every objective measure, Elon’s destroyed the value of the company. I beg your pardon if the state of affairs seems to validate what I thought about the acquisition last year.
All Elon had to do was make some minor course corrections, then sit back, STFU and allow things to work themselves out. Instead he went for big splashy changes like he’s Steve Jobs coming back to fix Apple, except he’s just a thin skinned dweeb who’s not up to the task of taking a principled stand even if it’s ego-bruising.
EviLore
hit the nail on the head for a formula of success, but if you’re an attention whore, the conservative course correction approach isn’t enough.
All Elon had to do was make some minor course corrections, then sit back, STFU and allow things to work themselves out. Instead he went for big splashy changes like he’s Steve Jobs coming back to fix Apple, except he’s just a thin skinned dweeb who’s not up to the task of taking a principled stand even if it’s ego-bruising.
EviLore
hit the nail on the head for a formula of success, but if you’re an attention whore, the conservative course correction approach isn’t enough.
Xenon
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From the river to the sea, Some people bath in hypocrisy!
Unknown Soldier
Member
Nobody tell Elon that Earth hates Twatter and is looking forward to it going bankrupt and disappearing ASAP
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I don't care about Elon talking trash. It has nothing to do with the user experience of the platform which is all I really care about. And for those who will counter with "Well, if he hurts advertising, hurts revenue, and Twitter collapses, then that affects the user experience if Twitter isn't around anymore" then my response to that is good, the world is better off with less social media.
But in terms of just evaluating the user experience, I think the freedom to speak more openly on there without getting suspended is a plus. Yes, that has led to more ignorance and hate on there, but it's a worthy trade off. If you don't like seeing crazies, that's what block and mute are for. I still think a platform should not be truly 100% free speech. Threats, doxxing, inappropriate imagery make logical sense to disallow. But people getting banned for innocuous things like before was not good for discourse either.
The community notes is the best addition. Helps to combat some of the echo chambers and misinformation floating around out there.
They improved video players and added things like multiple videos or GIFs at once which is cool.
The check mark thing was dumb. Getting rid of legacy verified users and giving checks to people who buy Twitter Blue. I get why he's doing it, he wants to incentivize people subscribing, but there should've been another way to do it without screwing with the checkmarks.
The taking headlines away from links was dumb.
The getting rid of 2FA was dumb.
The weird stuff with not being allowed to DM subscribers unless you subscribe yourself is dumb.
Overall in terms of user experience I think it's been close to a wash. For me personally, probably a little improved because the things that affect other users don't affect me as much. Those who rely heavily on the platform for reach and stuff I could see why it would be worse given you have to pay now. I've heard people complain about their feeds being junked up with crazy stuff, but I've not had that experience at all. But then again I never use "For You" and have no idea why anyone would unless you're addicted to outrage.
But in terms of just evaluating the user experience, I think the freedom to speak more openly on there without getting suspended is a plus. Yes, that has led to more ignorance and hate on there, but it's a worthy trade off. If you don't like seeing crazies, that's what block and mute are for. I still think a platform should not be truly 100% free speech. Threats, doxxing, inappropriate imagery make logical sense to disallow. But people getting banned for innocuous things like before was not good for discourse either.
The community notes is the best addition. Helps to combat some of the echo chambers and misinformation floating around out there.
They improved video players and added things like multiple videos or GIFs at once which is cool.
The check mark thing was dumb. Getting rid of legacy verified users and giving checks to people who buy Twitter Blue. I get why he's doing it, he wants to incentivize people subscribing, but there should've been another way to do it without screwing with the checkmarks.
The taking headlines away from links was dumb.
The getting rid of 2FA was dumb.
The weird stuff with not being allowed to DM subscribers unless you subscribe yourself is dumb.
Overall in terms of user experience I think it's been close to a wash. For me personally, probably a little improved because the things that affect other users don't affect me as much. Those who rely heavily on the platform for reach and stuff I could see why it would be worse given you have to pay now. I've heard people complain about their feeds being junked up with crazy stuff, but I've not had that experience at all. But then again I never use "For You" and have no idea why anyone would unless you're addicted to outrage.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I dont know if this is Elon's fault or not, but I fucking hate how Twitter comments have fuck all to do with the original video/tweet. Every single reply is posting another meme that has nothing to do with the original tweet. There is no point scrolling down because there is no discussion, no funny replies, nothing. It's a series of other tweeters trying to get easy likes on their own tweets. Youtube comments are a shitshow but at least they are comments and more often than not the funny ones raised to the top. This is complete trash.
And while its been like this for a while, what made it unbearable is the recent influx of porn. People posting clips of them fucking. of dicks. whores posting their onlyfans clips. I have never ever looked up a pornstar on twitter. never have i clicked on anything sexual or pornographic. My feed itself is fine. The replies on these tweets are something i cant control and there is at least 2-3 nude or pornographic images in the replies of the meme tweets i like.
I have never seen anything like this. This is why you dont lay off all your moderators.
And while its been like this for a while, what made it unbearable is the recent influx of porn. People posting clips of them fucking. of dicks. whores posting their onlyfans clips. I have never ever looked up a pornstar on twitter. never have i clicked on anything sexual or pornographic. My feed itself is fine. The replies on these tweets are something i cant control and there is at least 2-3 nude or pornographic images in the replies of the meme tweets i like.
I have never seen anything like this. This is why you dont lay off all your moderators.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Love him or hate him it is what it is
They should do a bet at the bookies for the next elections. What will try and scupper it more?
Mystery disease?
Dodgy voting practices?
Wrong think?
Hate speech?
The list is endless with these people in charge.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I can’t wait until I never have to see another headline about musk. I’m burned out.
FullMetalx117
Member
4 takeaways from Musk’s fiery interview with the New York Times
Musk commented on his opposition to labor unions, throttling media outlets he doesn't favor, and the perceptions around his trip to Israel.
"If somebody is going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go f*** yourself," he said. Musk specifically went after Disney CEO Bob Iger, who spoke earlier at the conference, and whose company has stopped advertising on X.”
He has so much money that he can publicly tell Disney, Apple, Coca Cola to go fuck themselves. Respect
Thaedolus
Member
My musk is eternal and you have to deal with it until either you or I meet god
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's what you get out of this? Not the whole throwing a tantrum thing, telling them to go fuck themselves but then also whinging about them not supporting him like he's somehow owed that in the free market?
FullMetalx117
Member
He’s the only guy in position of power that could ever throw disrespect like that out to the other CEOs. Probably a very shocking and uncomfortable moment for them, I love it.
I don’t think it matters either way, his tantrum or whatever. Even prior to Musk buying, Twitter always struggled to make a profit. I don’t think advertising will make or break twitter either way and regardless of what he says publicly, I think Musk knows that. He also knows his followers are the “Trumpian” kind. Anti establishment (even tho ironically, regardless of what he says Musk is establishment) and he caters to that. His supporters also happen to be the “right kind” and that’s on the wealthier end. He knows what he’s doing, he knows who his followers are. Worst comes to worst, he will reach out to one of his venture capital friends or threaten to reach out to the Middle East ala Tesla to get the funds he needs.
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Konnor
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lol "free market". All of these fucks are owned by BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street who manipulate everything behind the scenes including society. Hell even twitter used to be controlled by them
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So by that logic, the very same people also made Elon Musk rich af due to market manipulation for Tesla right? Or does it only go in one direction when it suits a specific narrative?
Toons
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Haven't you heard? Being sensible is "woke" now.
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