vinnygambini
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David Ayer, Margot Robbie Reteam for All-Female DC Villains Movie Gotham City Sirens
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Kenzodielocke
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That movie seems to be on track, is filming right now and has 'The Flash's spot.
So I get that people see a film about three attractive women and go "Oh I bet this is all about staring at hot chicks," but I really don't think that's the intent of this film.
Like, let's look at the scenario here.
#1.) Suicide Squad's premier audience was 46% women, and they rated it better than men did: http://www.themarysue.com/suicide-squad-high-female-audience-turnout/
#2.) The movie was pushed for by Margot Robbie, who also selected the writer: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/margot-robbie-harley-quinn-movie-standalone-894486
#3.) As the OP of this thread points, said writer was a woman: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-
#4.) Harley Quinn is very popular among women, even among children: http://uproxx.com/movies/harley-quinn-halloween-costume-most-popular/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ost-popular-halloween-costumes-2016/92350826/
I think what people miss about her is that, while yes, she's a skimpy dresser, she's also an actual character who has an actual personality, flaws, and nuance about her. It also helps that she's a villain and doesn't feel totally pushed to the side, because you don't get a lot of either of those in that superhero genre. It's not like guys sit around wondering "How could guys ever like Walter White or The Joker!?!", the appeal of these characters is self evident, and it's not a very large leap to get to Harley and women.
Like, let's look at the scenario here.
#1.) Suicide Squad's premier audience was 46% women, and they rated it better than men did: http://www.themarysue.com/suicide-squad-high-female-audience-turnout/
#2.) The movie was pushed for by Margot Robbie, who also selected the writer: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/margot-robbie-harley-quinn-movie-standalone-894486
#3.) As the OP of this thread points, said writer was a woman: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-
#4.) Harley Quinn is very popular among women, even among children: http://uproxx.com/movies/harley-quinn-halloween-costume-most-popular/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ost-popular-halloween-costumes-2016/92350826/
I think what people miss about her is that, while yes, she's a skimpy dresser, she's also an actual character who has an actual personality, flaws, and nuance about her. It also helps that she's a villain and doesn't feel totally pushed to the side, because you don't get a lot of either of those in that superhero genre. It's not like guys sit around wondering "How could guys ever like Walter White or The Joker!?!", the appeal of these characters is self evident, and it's not a very large leap to get to Harley and women.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Which is bizarre given that he shot, produced and wrote Fury.
I hope WB take their time with the project.
I had a lot of issues with Fury from top to bottom, but yeah, it'a head and shoulders above SS.
Maybe there was studio meddling and this will be great. I dunno.
DecoReturns
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I like Ayer. I would like to see him get a second chance without interference hopefully.
He did End of Watch too correct? The climax of that movie was unreal. I don't know what happened with SS.
andythinkpad
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It was cut by a trailer company. A literal trailer production company that does nothing but trailers.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Or maybe he just doesn't know how to make a superhero movie.... *shrug*
Unfortunately the reasoning for even putting Selina in the same team as the other two is basically that they're "hot bad girls" in Gotham. Selina was far more of a Robin Hood-esque vigilante than whatever Harley and Ivy were doing at the time and it felt super forced in the comic. I don't have much hope that it won't feel similarly forced here.
jack_package_200
Banned
I hope it's a serious mood piece instead of another trope meandering blockbuster. I want Ayer to do what he did with the bar scene in SS and do it for two hours. Goddamn was that scene powerful. That tiny little scene pretty much sold me on Robbie's Quinn.
It showed me she was just acting the clown. She had a sense of how broken she was and, in her words, owned it.
No quips please. Make it for grown ups.
It showed me she was just acting the clown. She had a sense of how broken she was and, in her words, owned it.
No quips please. Make it for grown ups.
I still don't think Harley is someone Selina would ever work with willingly and she has her own supporting cast to help her with this stuff so it does kind of boil down to forcing these characters together.
Which is fine in theory as writers do that all the time, but I personally don't think Selina's interactions with the two are interesting enough to warrant it. Or the way they write the team up coming about usually means Selina gets written out of character imo.
broncobuster
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For what it's worth, early rumors said it has female heroes in it as well. It's possible Birds of Prey get involved or at least Black Cannary has been heavily rumored.
milanbaros
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I've never seen so many posts about how much money a movie made at the box office as SS on Neogaf. What is the obsession?
GringoSuave89
Banned
Nothing in this world would make me happier than to add the Birds of Prey, but that's just another plate to try and keep spinning. Really hope they make their addition work, if they're still in at all.
The problem is, when the Gotham City Sirens series started, they had a massive amount of history to delve into. All three characters have had loads of interaction, good and bad. To establish all that in one movie is going to be incredibly difficult. Even more difficult if they add the Birds of Prey.
Cause despite the vast amount of people that disliked this movie (especially on the internet) it made money. Some use it to say people have shitty taste in films nowadays, some use it to say the movie wasn't as bad as people would lead you to believe. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Psychoward
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That's about the only defense people can muster. Which to be fair is a valid one.
Yea, I can only hope they learned a lot from Suicide Squad, and that it'll lead them to make a better film this time around.
Is there any word if Batman appears? I wonder if that would add or hurt the film.
I can already imagine Batman just dropping in and ruining everything, forcing them to improvise, But I could also see inserting Batman could just end up as another distraction like Joker was in SS. Be like another selling point for WB.
Is there any word if Batman appears? I wonder if that would add or hurt the film.
I can already imagine Batman just dropping in and ruining everything, forcing them to improvise, But I could also see inserting Batman could just end up as another distraction like Joker was in SS. Be like another selling point for WB.
Undead Fantasy
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How is this even possible.
The same thread title and all.
Look closer.
Just leave it to Ayer to bring that sense of history to the audience. I mean, look at how well he did that with Suicide Squad.
I didn't think Suicide squad was that bad, so i'm optimistic about this.
But i wish they would ditch the joker for the love of christ. I was actively rooting for him to have died in that helicopter crash in SS.
I always found Harley far more interesting on her own than just a two bit side kick of Joker.
In Injustice i actually cheered her other self on for being pro-active. And i was also happy that the original Harley was able to have a happier life when Joker died.
But i wish they would ditch the joker for the love of christ. I was actively rooting for him to have died in that helicopter crash in SS.
I always found Harley far more interesting on her own than just a two bit side kick of Joker.
In Injustice i actually cheered her other self on for being pro-active. And i was also happy that the original Harley was able to have a happier life when Joker died.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Fuck my entire life.
I'll admit a superhero film where villains survive to the end and have subplots is weird.
Tell that to Shibari Steve.
Catwoman steals a carton of milk.
Gordon: The Hell is wrong with you people.
Catwoman: I'm a cat, it's what we do.
Glass Rebel
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Man, that was also the only real Deadshot moment he had.
The hype for Geneva Robertson-Dworet rings a bit hollow. There isn't a lot to go on, she was sort of involved with giving more life to Transformers films leading to the Last Knight, Blacklist script Hibernation whatever that is, has Tomb Raider duties and Sherlock Holmes 3 in the pipeline. Jury still out on her to be honest.
A perfectly reasonable response and is no way a clear signal that you should reevaluate the priorities in your life.
Wait.
So now some are claiming that this Sirens film project is DIFFERENT from the "DC female ensemble" film project that Catherine Hodson is scripting.
There seems to be a lot of crossed wires here and I don't think any of it is Warners fault.
I suppose a female ensemble set in the DC universe lead by Batgirl could still work alongside this film.
I'll give Warner their due. They aren't pulling their punches when it comes to their DCU slate.
So now some are claiming that this Sirens film project is DIFFERENT from the "DC female ensemble" film project that Catherine Hodson is scripting.
There seems to be a lot of crossed wires here and I don't think any of it is Warners fault.
I suppose a female ensemble set in the DC universe lead by Batgirl could still work alongside this film.
I'll give Warner their due. They aren't pulling their punches when it comes to their DCU slate.
Add a "meow" and it's perfection.
Wonder Woman, Gotham City Sirens, and Birds of Prey. John's and Berg tryna get shit done.
Why on God's green earth would you give a Gotham City Sirens movie to David Ayer?
Why on God's green earth would you give a major, women fronted ensemble movie to David Ayer?
Why would you even give David Ayer another movie after Suicide Squad, and on top of that, how in the hell did he agree to work with you again after Suicide Squad?
Why do you make me question you so damn much, WB/DC?
Why on God's green earth would you give a major, women fronted ensemble movie to David Ayer?
Why would you even give David Ayer another movie after Suicide Squad, and on top of that, how in the hell did he agree to work with you again after Suicide Squad?
Why do you make me question you so damn much, WB/DC?
FrontalMonk
Banned
I mean, I don't really know directors terribly well and I haven't seen any of the modern DC movies, but I know that I like the dynamic of Quinn + Ivy and I like catwoman, so seeing all three as leading ladies in a movie sounds like a winner to me.
I like how you think
A movie about women villains ? Why not call the dude who could only shoot harley's butt ?
Discotheque
Banned
pigs fly if either of these make a comic book movie any time soon.
The one rumor that's been going around, and might not even be true but we get so few Superman rumors and the ones we do get seem to get confirmed I think, is that Supergirl isn't showing up until the Superman sequel which is currently in active development. I personally would rather have Power Girl though.
I do hope if the Birds of Prey are in this they aren't formed. I want it to be the encounter(s) with the Sirens that makes the different members realize they work well together. I also agree with the idea they should go all out for this and include cameos by Wonder Woman and even Lois Lane. Black Canary is the character I want in this the most going up against Harley, etc.
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