jabberwocker
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I understand A and B at the beginning of the alphabet. What I don't understand why isn't that Y and Z which is at the end.
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Engadget: A look at the redesigned Steam Controller
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I understand A and B at the beginning of the alphabet. What I don't understand why isn't that Y and Z which is at the end.
It's not a d-pad. A lot of games use the d-pad as an extra set of buttons nowadays anyway, so I think it's a fit replacement whilst keeping "backwards compatibility" with older interfaces based on d-pad input. Games that play better with a d-pad, you should just play them with a PS4 or 360/One controller.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Analog buttons are dead. Nobody ever used them (expect MGS and it made things worse) and they've since been removed on all iterations of controllers that had them. It's just more data to communicate that was unnecessary and adds to cost. If Valve was interested in reviving them then they need to demonstrate them with first party software because it's abundantly clear others will not.
gunstarhero
Member
LurkerPrime
Member
The "D-Pad" makes me think of the N64 controller's C buttons.
I still can't imagine playing a game like Crusader Kings 2 using this controller, it would be too slow and awkard. Plus the Steam controller still looks like an owl to me.
I still can't imagine playing a game like Crusader Kings 2 using this controller, it would be too slow and awkard. Plus the Steam controller still looks like an owl to me.
ashecitism
Member
Analog? Where did they get that from? The only analog Valve said they were looking into were triggers afaik?
Yeah the last game I recall meaningfully using them was metal gear substance. I never had a ps3 though. Any good examples of uses?
Apparently, it was part of an email sent out to press reminding them about GDC
N, E, S, W would make more sense, corresponding to points of the compass.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
You can't hadouken on that dpad yo. You just can't.
Oh no! This might not have the best D-Pad on a controller ever!
It's not like you will continue to have access to dozens of alternatives for your super-specific gaming needs. Use a Saturn controller if you're a d-pad aficionado and try to understand the intent of this device's design.
It's not like you will continue to have access to dozens of alternatives for your super-specific gaming needs. Use a Saturn controller if you're a d-pad aficionado and try to understand the intent of this device's design.
KojiKnight
Member
Tradition... and probably to keep compatibility with Xinput games.
Rodney McKay
Member
I like the directional buttons better than a d-pad to be perfectly honest.
The only thing you don't seem to be capable of doing with the directional pads in this configuration is rapidly pressing between left+right or up+down. There isn't a single game I can think of that I play which actually requires that you do that.
Granted, I don't play fighting games, but other than those (which aren't ideal on most controllers anyways) I should be able to use these buttons perfectly for directional movement.
The only thing you don't seem to be capable of doing with the directional pads in this configuration is rapidly pressing between left+right or up+down. There isn't a single game I can think of that I play which actually requires that you do that.
Granted, I don't play fighting games, but other than those (which aren't ideal on most controllers anyways) I should be able to use these buttons perfectly for directional movement.
Baleoce
Member
Yeah, I can't see Valve going with analogue face buttons when it bumps up the overall latency of the controller and doesn't really add any utility that game developers are actually going to use. They know this because nobody used the analogue buttons to any decent extend on the dualshock 3. Bar.. Gran Turismo.
Not a whole lot. Gran Turismo let you use them for analog gas/brake, but there generally haven't been that many clever uses for them.
Yes they are? The "paddles" are in the same place as the Steam controller's back buttons.
Yes, for compatibility for modern games, but if you are using the controller for classic games then you will probably be using the back inputs.
If you look at Valve's own diagram, then you will see that is the case. The buttons on the back and the triggers will still be more accessible on the new controller configuration.
-Plasma Reus-
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I am really starting to despise the disregard for D-pads.
TheNoblePirate
Member
I didn't realize porn was allowed, haha.
Hmm...I wonder what those lines are on the handles...some sort of horizontal aesthetic?
Why change it?
Considering they are the standard for current PC games, forcing devs to make menu's and tutorials etc. with each different type of letter just seems a bit silly. Also people are used to this set up, there really is no benefit to changing.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah that just doesn't look like it'll work as a dpad
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Agreed. I will still buy one just for the fuck of it, but no joystick means I will probably only use it for RPGs
MutonCommander
Banned
You can, easily. I can do it on a keyboard, this is no problem.
See my previous post, it's a 3D printed shell. It builds up the plastic in layers, so there are going to be lines running perpendicular to the build direction unless you polish or sandblast it afterwards.
That controller is huuuuge!
I think it's interesting that the "analog sticks" are where the ABXY buttons are on the PS4 and XBO controllers.
I don't mind the "d-pad" if only because 99% of games use the d-pad for button commands anyway.
I see this as supplemental to my 360 controller. I'll need to try one of course.
Probably important to mention, there are 10 of those being hand made, the render is probably their idea of what a mass produced one might look like, I guess
From the scale image in the OP, the controller is the same dimensions as before. I haven't heard complaints of it being too big from anyone who has used it yet. Handles are large because it is designed to position your thumbs in a downward position, rather than flat on a standard controller. A guy from IGN described it as the most comfortable controller he ever held, so theres that I guess
Discotheque
Banned
Imagine trying to tetsuduididlpukya on that. WOAT d pad. Valve needs another revision
ashecitism
Member
There's already thread.
TheNoblePirate
Member
Oh, thank you, I didn't realize. I assume that they probably get polished after the fact then!
In render or in person, it looks like a nice controller. I've been interested in it ever since its announcement.
That's easy. You do it on the Touch Pad instead acting like a d-pad, just like the Super Meat Boy demo.
EDIT: I didn't see the other thread. Woops.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Pretty ugly.
Betta Lines
Member
For everyone reacting to the 'd-pad'... the whole idea of the controller is for the main pads to be flexible, accommodating digital and analogue control systems with equal ease. That thing is no longer a d-pad as we know it, because in every situation where people want the d-pad to be the primary input (e.g. some 2D platformers, some fighting games, etc), you are supposed to use the main thumb pad. That is the whole point of the controller.
Not exactly. Playstation d-pads still have a pivoting action under the surface, they just broke up the top part to avoid infringing on Nintendo's patents.
That's the problem with symmetry, really: D-pads and face buttons aren't used in symmetrical ways.
Zombie James
Banned
Still looks terrible to me :/
The mass produced ones will probably be injection molded like any other controller. They're just 3D printing them for internal use and testing because it's a fast, easy way to get a solid plastic part in the shape you need.
Some of the parts in the Steambox prototypes they shipped out were 3D printed as well, but they didn't need to look or feel pretty and were part of a very limited manufacturing run of a few hundred units.
ashecitism
Member
No seriously ask a mod to close this or merge. No need for two lol
Good thing about the controller, multiple 3rd party ones will be available. Someone will make it if you ask nicely
