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[SolidQ]

Do we know if’s $500? Wouldn’t be surprised if it were $650.

it's not big dies. If you see GRE already 550$, RDNA4 is cheaper. Only can be higher up600$, if AMD want be greedy.

Also this mean Zen5 >> ArrowLake
Competitor for Zen5 from Intel for now gonna be in 2h26

 

[Loxus]

Also - Zen 5 is AMD's x86 equivalent to Apple architecture in size and IPC. The operating frequency of Zen 5 products will not be a problem. Zen 5 will sit above Zen 4. Be patient to see the surprise Lisa has in store for you.

Strix Halo > N33

Another of his tweets says Zen5 clocks up to 6GHz.

"Up to 6 GHz F-Max"

 

[SolidQ]

Another of his tweets says Zen5 clocks up to 6GHz.

it's Eng samples. Final version for now 2 variants 6GHz or up 6.1
Samples soon

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I prefer my Graphics Cards to be energy efficient. I don't really like cards heavy on energy consumption. Same goes for the CPU.

Yeah it also means less noise and for people like me who don't have airconditioning it also means we can play vidya in summer.

 

[SolidQ]

That from Kepler

 

[DaGwaphics]

Shots taken from a recent Red Gaming Tech video.

7900 GRE performance is dissappointing if true. 7900 GRE is less than 10% faster than the $500 7800 XT today. That level of performance would probably need to be $400 (or less) to generate any excitement next-gen.

That might be what they are going for. The monolithic designs should make these simpler to produce and cheaper.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

So.. a 5060 Ti could be on par with AMDs next flagship card? Can't be?

 

[amigastar]

So.. a 5060 Ti could be on par with AMDs next flagship card? Can't be?

We will have to see what the 5000 series brings to the table. New DLSS etc? Will be exciting to see.

 

[RoboFu]

He is probably full of shit but I can't wait to see rdna4 . their ray tracing gets better every time. My 7900xt has been nothing but great.

 

[Kenpachii]

feels like 300 series all over again then.

 

[Loxus]

If I understand correctly.
Desktop  CPU
Granite Ridge (Zen5) >>>> Raphael (Zen4)
Granite Ridge (Zen5) >>>> Raptor Lake
Granite Ridge (Zen5) >> Arrow Lake

Mobile CPU
Fire Range (Zen5) >>>> Dragon Range (Zen4)

APU
Strix Point (R9) >>>>> ‍Phoenix Point
Strix Point (R7) >> ‍Phoenix Point
Strix Point (R9) >>>>> Meteor Lake
Strix Point (R7) >>> Meteor Lake
Strix Halo >> 🩷Hotpink Bonefish (7600XT)

GPU
Navi 48 > Navi 31 (7900GRE)
Navi 48 < Navi 31 (7900XTX)
Navi 44 >> 🩷Navi 33 (Hotpink Bonefish) 7600XT
Navi 44 < Navi 32 (Wheat Nas) 7800XT

 

[SolidQ]

Navi 48 < Navi 31 (7900GRE)

top is 7900XTX, vN31 is 7900GRE

only is question how much % is one >

 

[Loxus]

top is 7900XTX, vN31 is 7900GRE

only is question how much % is one >

I'd say > = ~10%

 

[Bojji]

If it's between GRE and XTX then it's just ~7900XT.

 

[SolidQ]

I'd say > = ~10%

but doesn't fit between 7900GRE and XTX

 

[Loxus]

If it's between GRE and XTX then it's just ~7900XT.

but doesn't fit between 7900GRE and XTX

Being between those two cards is like 18%.
Ain't no way Zen5 is 72% better than Zen4.

But then again anything is possible.

 

[Physiognomonics]

The only other current RDNA4 rumor going around is from MLID.

MLID says:

close to 7900 XTX performnace at $400-$600

In RT games I can believe it. But from now (RDNA4) on AMD will likely focus on RT benchmarks.

 

[kiphalfton]

Yeah we better pray intel gets serious and brings some competition because amd has officially thrown in the towel. Rt arch 2 gens behind the competition and almost the same for ml/image reconstruction and their response is to release a card slower than their prior low high end card....

What do you expect. Nvidia performance is heavily dependent on DLSS/etc.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I don't trust any of these leakers, but if any of it turns out to be true....it will be a shame.

 

[bronzodiriace]

Nvidia master race

Alone in the race

 

[SolidQ]

Ain't no way Zen5 is 72% better than Zen4.

There 4> so 40%, which actually fit with info

Being between those two cards is like 18%.

 

[Gaiff]

their ray tracing gets better every time.

Is that an accomplishment lmao?

 

[Loxus]

There 4> so 40%, which actually fit with info

I was looking at it from this angle.

 

[RoboFu]

Is that an accomplishment lmao?

Unless you are a weird hardware fanboy ... then yeah it is.

 

[GHG]

Unless you are a weird hardware fanboy ... then yeah it is.

Projection much?

It's not about being a "hardware fanboy", AMD's RT solutions are at least a generation behind the competition.

You'd have to be lying to yourself to suggest otherwise.

 

[XesqueVara]

I don't trust any of these leakers, but if any of it turns out to be true....it will be a shame.

Naaah it's in line with the gpus die sizes, here isn't a Big RDNA 4 gpu just small ones.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Projection much?

It's not about being a "hardware fanboy", AMD's RT solutions are at least a generation behind the competition.

You'd have to be lying to yourself to suggest otherwise.

Even with another famous "up to 1.5x" it wouldn't catch up to Ada. Barely surpassing 3090 Ti for those games.

 

[Loxus]

Even with another famous "up to 1.5x" it wouldn't catch up to Ada. Barely surpassing 3090 Ti for those games.

Looking at the fact they doubled the RT Ray Box/Tri.


And the fact that they most likely included a Traversal Engine.


It'll be more like 2.5×.

 

[RoboFu]

Projection much?

It's not about being a "hardware fanboy", AMD's RT solutions are at least a generation behind the competition.

You'd have to be lying to yourself to suggest otherwise.

Well yeah ... if that's what I was talking about which it wasn't..

 

[Gaiff]

Looking at the fact they doubled the RT Ray Box/Tri.


And the fact that they most likely included a Traversal Engine.


It'll be more like 2.5×.

If history has taught me anything, it's to never hype AMD until they deliver the results. AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 

[FireFly]

Even with another famous "up to 1.5x" it wouldn't catch up to Ada. Barely surpassing 3090 Ti for those games.

A 50% boost in the heaviest RT titles should put the 7900 XTX close to the 4080. In these titles the 7900 XTX performs around the 3080 and there's roughly a 50% gap between the 3080 and 4080.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I was looking at it from this angle.

N48 ~= 4700 Ti meaning PS5 Pro ~= 4700 (talking about RT benchmarks)

 

[GHG]

Well yeah ... if that's what I was talking about which it wasn't..

So explain what you were talking about then.

Because your comment certainly isn't reflective of any real world AMD RT performance.

 

[Loxus]

If history has taught me anything, it's to never hype AMD until they deliver the results. AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Look at the 7900XTX.
Benchmarks tells no lies.

The 7900XTX is doing 50fps in PT which makes them one gen behind Nvidia.

AMD has came a long way and aren't as bad as many say.
Nvidia fans just make the smallest of things seem larger than it is.

 

[Gaiff]

AMD has came a long way and aren't as bad as many say.

Everyone has come a long way. AMD is just the slowest of the bunch.

Nvidia fans just make the smallest of things seem larger than it is.

How can you look at the 7900 XTX being outdone by a whopping 24% by the 3090 Ti and say that with a straight face? Lucky for AMD, pretty much every game is a hybrid workload and not pure RT. They don't even match NVIDIA's flagship from the previous gen with their own flagship.

As I said, don’t buy into the AMD hype until you see real results. We got burned one too many times.

 

[SolidQ]

Lucky for AMD, pretty much every game is a hybrid workload and not pure RT

Because devs won't waste time on this. They focus on consoles, RT glued to the side on PC games for minor difference. We won't see RT until 2035

 

[GHG]

Because devs won't waste time on this. They focus on consoles, RT glued to the side on PC games for minor difference. We won't see RT until 2035

It's more the fact that they wouldn't stand to make much money if they made a game ray tracing only. That would mean no console releases and locking out ~95% of current PC gamers.

 

[Gaiff]

Because devs won't waste time on this. They focus on consoles, RT glued to the side on PC games for minor difference. We won't see RT until 2035

They focus on the mainstream which is consoles + budget PCs. Only 4080s and 4090s could run a path traced AAA games reasonably and that’s a fraction of the market.

 

[Kenpachii]

PS5 pro will run pathtracing most likely. So hopefully games will keep adding it

 

[Bojji]

PS5 pro will run pathtracing most likely. So hopefully games will keep adding it

If it's above RDNA3 it will run PT decently. Close to 4070 level GPU could run CP with PT in 30fps with 1080p (or close to it) internal res, with PSSR it should look very good in 4k.

But of course probably no 60fps before PS6.

 

[SoloCamo]

The only other current RDNA4 rumor going around is from MLID.

MLID says:

close to 7900 XTX performnace at $400-$600

AMD did that very thing recently. $400 5700XT outperformed the $700 Flagship Radeon VII, at least until you pumped it up to 4k. If AMD can swing a card somewhere between 7900XT to XTX performance with 20gb vram it'd sell quite well, especially if there are some RT improvements. If they don't, well jokes on them I'll have no choice but to go Nvidia to replace my 6900XT.

Do we know if’s $500? Wouldn’t be surprised if it were $650.

Considering 7900XT's are already $700 and will drop when the new cards come out I don't see how they could price it like that unless they want to continue to lose marketshare.

 

[SolidQ]

with 20gb vram

N48 16gb

they want to continue to lose marketshare.

They add 7% previous year

 

[YCoCg]

I don't get this mindset behind the AMD hate to actively insist they just stop trying, how do you think that will work out? Yeah sure, "AMD isn't as good as Nvidia at Ray Tracing so they need to fail", GG take.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Navi 48 is basically PS5 Pro desktop equivalent, specs right on the money

64 CUs (4 disabled by Sony), 16 GB GDDR6 VRAM, 256-bit bus

Seems like memory will be clocked slighly higher (2500 vs 2250 Mhz on PS5 Pro)

 

[Bojji]

Navi 48 is basically PS5 Pro desktop equivalent, specs right on the money

64 CUs (4 disabled by Sony), 16 GB GDDR6 VRAM, 256-bit bus

Seems like memory will be clocked slighly higher (2500 vs 2250 Mhz on PS5 Pro)

So you think pro will be faster than 7900GRE?

 

[StereoVsn]

If AMD manages to produce a $500 at a roughly 7900GRE level with better upscaling and RTX, AND do it on a better power envelope, that would be a big win.

Again, check out Steam survey, most people aren’t sporting $800+ cards.

Edit: Oh, the rumor is above 7900XT in power, for $500? That would be huge for a lot of even enthusiast gamers.

 

[SoloCamo]

I don't get this mindset behind the AMD hate to actively insist they just stop trying, how do you think that will work out? Yeah sure, "AMD isn't as good as Nvidia at Ray Tracing so they need to fail", GG take.

Nvidia has so much R&D budget at this point that fighting against their flagship will not help AMD. The 5700XT did quite well for them offering the majority of gamers a card they could afford. With Intel entering the ring AMD really needs to fight for the mid-low end market especially in these hard economic times. And this is coming from someone who has bought most of their high end or flagship cards for the past 10 years.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Again, check out Steam survey, most people aren’t sporting $800+ cards.

More peoples are sporting $800+ Nvidia cards than the entirety of AMD presence on that steam survey list. 3090 at some point had a higher % than while RDNA 2 family back in 2021 ish.

AMD is back to focus on mid range because Intel is a real threat to them, they’ll battle in the 5~10% market share

 

[SoloCamo]

More peoples are sporting $800+ Nvidia cards than the entirety of AMD presence on that steam survey list. 3090 at some point had a higher % than while RDNA 2 family back in 2021 ish.

I couldn't even tell you the last time I got a steam survey request on my desktop, it's not reliable. In fact I've usually upgraded multiple components by the time a survey actually comes around.

 

[Bojji]

I don't get this mindset behind the AMD hate to actively insist they just stop trying, how do you think that will work out? Yeah sure, "AMD isn't as good as Nvidia at Ray Tracing so they need to fail", GG take.

Yeah I don't get it, AMD is pretty good in raster and not that bad on hybrid RT, only massive downside is lack of dlss. They will make better and better GPUs but obviously they won't touch Nvidia top dog, probably ever at this point.