Or just leave qualifying as it was, tbh. F1's problem is that it comes up with sporting rule after rule to try and fix a problem which at its core is technical. The weekend format doesn't need any more "tweaking".
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Or just leave qualifying as it was, tbh. F1's problem is that it comes up with sporting rule after rule to try and fix a problem which at its core is technical. The weekend format doesn't need any more "tweaking".
Peter Ian Staker
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darkinstinct
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That's what I wondered as well. Did they do their run in Q3 on ultrasoft? Cause Hamilton seems to have done his first run on the regular supersoft and his second on the ultrasoft. God, it's so annoying to have three different soft tyre types. Could we potentially be looking at Ferrari doing a three stop race with supersoft-supersoft-supersoft-soft?
Far too long winded. the Q3 format at least worked great before once they all got given the supoer soft set of tyres just for that session, they could maybe have changed it so that you had to use it in the last 5 minutes and not before.
If they want to do elimination hunger games style (I was expecting a cannon and a laser projection in the sky tbh) then the only way is to force all teams to be on track the entire time unless they are unable to do so. Which means giving them tyres that aren't shit.
Just put it back.
So much better looking.
They dare to change them when it needs changing.
I've little recollection of any fan, driver or team suggesting for a second that quali was broken.
They change things no one asks to change and ignore the root problems with the sport.
GrizzleBoy
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May aswell just close it up completely at that point.
Also, that glass at the front it going to destroy airflow to the engine cooling intake above the drivers head......
Those intakes also cool other things like the turbo and the canopy will be deflecting air away from it.
I don't remember anyone complaining about qualifying being broken ten years ago when it changed to the Q1/Q2/Q3 system in the first place.
Everyone was complaining because it was broken. There would be no cars on track for 50 minutes in an hour and the one by one shoot out didn't work, either.
Graphics Horse
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:lol I didn't realise it was this time already, going to have to watch later to see what a mess quali is. sure sounds like one! If only computer simulators existed which ideas could be tested out before being introduced in the real world...
TheCarrotKiller
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I suspect the qualifying system will be even worse on longer tracks, now the lap time matched that 90 seconds at least. Places like Spa with lap times up towards 2 minutes will possibly be even more dull than today, but hopefully the qualifying has been sorted by then.
It probably won't.
SmartWaffles
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Great, it turns from no cars on track for the first few minutes, to no cars on track for the last few minutes.
Elvin Atombender
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The new format might work if you can only use one set of tyres in each part of qualifying. Each time someone gets eliminated all times are wiped and everyone has to set a new time. You would have to change the elimination clock so that there is time for everyone to actually set a new time of course.
They want more cars on the track and this would force everyone to stay out and drive as fast as they can until they are eliminated. It would probably create more variation on the grid as well as mistakes on a lap could lead to cars usually at the front being eliminated earlier.
They want more cars on the track and this would force everyone to stay out and drive as fast as they can until they are eliminated. It would probably create more variation on the grid as well as mistakes on a lap could lead to cars usually at the front being eliminated earlier.
You mean when it was a 60 minute session and most of the running was done in the last 10 minutes when the trak was good and each driver was only allowed 12 laps, or after that when it was one lap only and on race fuel in 2003 and 2004? Or maybe the 2005 aggregated laps of one on low fuel and one on race fuel?
Its been Q1,2 & 3 since 2006, but even then in Q3 they had to run on race fuel. Since then its had minor tweaks to perfect it and it was undoubtedly the best Quali has been post the 1500HP quali engines and special tyres style from the eighties, and even then it was too spread out.
Berni didn't like it at least
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123341/ecclestone-declares-new-qualifying-crap
plenty more in the link
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123341/ecclestone-declares-new-qualifying-crap
plenty more in the link
bobnowhere
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I wish they'd go back to one-lap qualifying one driver at a time. Probably not a great show at the track, but great TV and really rewarded the guys who can wring the neck of a lesser car for a lap. Probably made Webber's career.
Well, he didn't want it from the start. They introduced this qualifying because Bernie wanted a stupid system. Like the fastest one will start from the 10th place or the winner of the last race will get a time handicap.
aspiegamer
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Alonso mentioned tyres for the slower teams now being an even more frustrating issue. In the old Q1 pretty much everyone did a run on primes to get a lap banked and see how things settled, except perhaps the backmarker teams who went straight to options. The new format forces absolutely everyone to start on options, which eliminates a race set for them all. Even the top teams went out on options, but mostly for safety and to avoid needing to go out twice, which cut down their time on track, which defeated the alleged purpose.
Q3 was so horrible. There were, what, a total of 10 timed laps for the 14 minute session? Hamilton was getting out of his car at 3+ minutes left and was out behind the garage flirting with his trainer before the clock hit zero? Not that there's anything wrong with that. When you're good, you're good. Needed a split screen with a salty Nico for full effect.
Q3 was so horrible. There were, what, a total of 10 timed laps for the 14 minute session? Hamilton was getting out of his car at 3+ minutes left and was out behind the garage flirting with his trainer before the clock hit zero? Not that there's anything wrong with that. When you're good, you're good. Needed a split screen with a salty Nico for full effect.
So does anyone know how/why the teams made such heavy gains over the winter?
Did the tyre compounds change? Or where was so much room for improvement? Merc and Ferrari improved 2-3 seconds over last year. McLaren gained 5 seconds and would have been on pole last year (I said LAST year, Wax)
Makes me wonder how things will be scrambled for 2017. They haven't even decided on the basic regulations for that year, have they?
Did the tyre compounds change? Or where was so much room for improvement? Merc and Ferrari improved 2-3 seconds over last year. McLaren gained 5 seconds and would have been on pole last year (I said LAST year, Wax)
Makes me wonder how things will be scrambled for 2017. They haven't even decided on the basic regulations for that year, have they?
Super soft wasn't available at Melbourne last year. That's one reason for the increase.
How much of this is because of Mercedes being ridiculously faster than other teams? I mean if the gap was just 0.1 seconds do you think Ferrari would have tried to get the pole by going out again. I think Ferrari just realized no matter how hard they try they will not be able to make up the gap and overtake them and stay ahead and therefore just decided to save tires and engine and same for teams below Ferrari?
Makes sense, but how much of the gap is that worth, going by last year?
Mohonky
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They probably figured it wasn't worth fighting for pole and est up tires in the process; as it is they have still used an extra set of the super softs compared to the Merc's who'd only used 2 up until Q3 where Ferrari used 3. So for race strategy, probably better to simply accept current position and fight it out in race and strategy.
Not sure why everyone is so pessimistic about this being a runaway Hamilton year again; only need a shift of momentum and the whole dynamic changes between Hamilton and Rosberg. Ferrari may not be there in single lap pace, but we havent seen their race pace and the new tyre compound changes could really mix up strategies.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
No, the problem with F1 is they change things without thinking them through, then come up with solutions to the problems they created that create totally new problems. F1 rules are in a constant flux of fixing what they messed up by fixing something else. What F1 needs is a complete reboot, a new rule set for the current times based on experiences learnt from the past.
Mohonky
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I want them to open up aero and engine regukations. Let them design go back to the days when teams dared to show up with fans on their vehicles, 6 wheels etc. being fast at one track would have guaranteed nothing at another. It would come back to who could create the best oversll package.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Would've been better than what we ended up with. But that isn't hard.
Formula E is here to save the day.
http://fiaformulae.com/en/news/2016/march/formula-e-launches-breakthrough-race-off-pro-series.aspx
https://www.twitch.tv/els_event
http://fiaformulae.com/en/news/2016/march/formula-e-launches-breakthrough-race-off-pro-series.aspx
https://www.twitch.tv/els_event
Monkey paw wish. Merc will be 5 seconds ahead instead of 1
So have fixed amounts for qualifying and race but keep them separate so teams dont hold off to save tyres for the race. Also give all teams free choice on the race tyre so there is no weird incentive to be 10th
"F1 bosses to meet on Sunday to discuss urgent qualifying change"
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...y-to-discuss-urgent-qualifying-change-680694/
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...y-to-discuss-urgent-qualifying-change-680694/
nature boy
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Couldn't be bothered to get up early to watch.
Mercedes miles ahead as usual, Mclaren can't make it into Q3 and new qualifying format is shit as expected. Autosport has 4 stories on the front page on how shit the format is.
Looks like the Wonderboy wankfest will reach new heights now that Toro Rosso has a good PU.
Mercedes miles ahead as usual, Mclaren can't make it into Q3 and new qualifying format is shit as expected. Autosport has 4 stories on the front page on how shit the format is.
Looks like the Wonderboy wankfest will reach new heights now that Toro Rosso has a good PU.
Oh yeah, his suggestions were bloody awful too.
Needs to be some luck involved tho. Crashes, weird weather.
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