HBO has five potential Game of Thrones spinoffs in development [GRRM & Bloys updates]

Black_Sun

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Stannis would have been shit at governing. Say what you want about Renly, it was pretty clear that out of the three brothers he would have been able to govern the best.

Nah. Stannis actually knows how to govern. He just didn't have charisma but neither does Tywin so....

Renly had charisma but he's never really proven himself to be good at governing.

As Donal Noye said, Renly is like copper. Pretty to look at but not really worth anything in the end.
 

Ratrat

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Nah. Stannis actually knows how to govern. He just didn't have charisma but neither does Tywin so....

Renly had charisma but he's never really proven himself to be good at governing.

As Donal Noye said, Renly is like copper. Pretty to look at but not really worth anything in the end.
Stannis would have pissed a bunch of people off. He isn't reasonable or likable.
Renly would have been the best king with the right advisors... I think. We really don't know enough about Renly tbh.

The dislike for Renly within Westeros seems like the typical bias against people haven't fought in war. He was certainly smarter than Ned in GoT.
 

duckroll

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Stannis would have pissed a bunch of people off. He isn't reasonable or likable.
Renly would have been the best king with the right advisors... I think. We really don't know enough about Renly tbh.

Renly's gay, he would have had a lot of problems dealing with the church. Especially in the long run.
 

Ratrat

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Renly's gay, he would have had a lot of problems dealing with the church. Especially in the long run.
...you see, I think this is where the books and show diverge. I think Martin was trying to make a point about sexism in religion and the double standards. Just like actual gay monarchs in history who everyone turned a blind eye towards. I think Renly would have been safe.
Also dont think the church would have gained as much power in a Baratheon/Tyrell ruled world.
 

jett

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We're not doing Dunk & Egg. Eventually, sure, I'd love that, and so would many of you

Well that's disappointing.

But I've only written and published three novellas to date, and there are at least seven or eight or ten more I want to write.

Well that's hilarious.

GRRM seems to be an easily deluded individual. I remember when he thought the show would dedicate multiple seasons to AFFC and ADWD in order to avoid it catching up to him, lul.
 

duckroll

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...you see, I think this is where the books and show diverge. I think Martin was trying to make a point about sexism in religion and the double standards. Just like actual gay monarchs in history who everyone turned a blind eye towards. I think Renly would have been safe.
Also dont think the church would have gained as much power in a Baratheon/Tyrell ruled world.

If Renly secured the throne and had no opposition, I absolutely agree. But as long as the realm is not united, I would disagree. With a fractured realm, it means different factions will always be out to spread dissent. With Cersei it was the rumors of adultery and incest. With Renly it would have been his homosexuality. Religion is a means to an end, and a powerful weapon when you want to accuse your enemy on moral grounds.
 
Eh...will wait and see. I enjoy Game of Thrones, but will start from scratch with any side projects. I am not really that interested in the world outside the series.
 

Tacitus_

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We're not doing Dunk & Egg. Eventually, sure, I'd love that, and so would many of you. But I've only written and published three novellas to date, and there are at least seven or eight or ten more I want to write.
We're not doing Robert's Rebellion either. I know thousands of you want that, I know there's a petition... but by the time I finish writing A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, you will know every important thing that happened in Robert's Rebellion.

Oh for crying out loud
 

TI82

Banned
So is the show HBO isn't going forward with a Wild Cards show? If so that sucks, wild cards is awesome and ripe with stories for tv.
 
Hearing him say that he has the intention of finishing ASOIAF and that we're getting more Dunk & Egg novellas makes me happy. It's not realistic lookimg at his current writing pace, but reality sucks anyway.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
Just put more money into Westworld.

GoT is done.

I agree with this.
Westworld has a lot of potential and got off to a good start. There's some amazing talent involved and because the story involves robots they can do so many interesting things with the setting etc.

Let Game of Thrones rest for a bit and focus more on Westworld.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
So is the show HBO isn't going forward with a Wild Cards show? If so that sucks, wild cards is awesome and ripe with stories for tv.

I'm glad they're not doing that cus we really don't need another superhero show.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Not really a superhero show instead a cool sci-fi show in an interesting world?

I'd rather have a fantasy series in a cool world since GoT is one of the few good pieces of fantasy media there is. We've got plenty of sci-fi and superheroes and this is coming from someone who loves sci-fi and superheroes.
 

Ratrat

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If Renly secured the throne and had no opposition, I absolutely agree. But as long as the realm is not united, I would disagree. With a fractured realm, it means different factions will always be out to spread dissent. With Cersei it was the rumors of adultery and incest. With Renly it would have been his homosexuality. Religion is a means to an end, and a powerful weapon when you want to accuse your enemy on moral grounds.
Hmm...I don't know if the propaganda worked that much against Cersei and Joffrey. The books really emphasize how much the people love Renly, but I'm not really sure why they do.
In the end, I really think he would have just been a slightly less stupid Robert. But its hard to say without getting into his and Margaery's heads. Loras isn't as dumb in the books either.
 
Hey guys! Just wanted to give a small update! Yes, I'm working on five fucking prequel shows for Game of Thrones, about 6 or so novellas, a big pile of Wild Cards shit that nobody cares about, overseeing a translation of ASOIAF to hexadecimal, and in 50 years, we'll be doing a Dunk & Egg adaptation probably! Oh, and if there were more hours in the day, I guess I would spend one of them typing another 14 words of Winds of Winter.
 

Aiii

So not worth it
Hey guys! Just wanted to give a small update! Yes, I'm working on five fucking prequel shows for Game of Thrones, about 6 or so novellas, a big pile of Wild Cards shit that nobody cares about, overseeing a translation of ASOIAF to hexadecimal, and in 50 years, we'll be doing a Dunk & Egg adaptation probably! Oh, and if there were more hours in the day, I guess I would spend one of them typing another 14 words of Winds of Winter.

If they gave out an emmy for procrastination, GRRM would be the sole winner for over a decade now.
 

Black_Sun

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Stannis would have pissed a bunch of people off. He isn't reasonable or likable.
Renly would have been the best king with the right advisors... I think. We really don't know enough about Renly tbh.

Anyone would be good with the right advisors provided they listen. Stannis had Davos and Melisandre. Renly had Loras????

Stannis is a fusion of Oliver Cromwell, Tiberius Caesar and Henry Tudor (who were all pretty successful rulers albeit tough, miserly and filled with rebellions). So he has all the right ingredients to be a decent ruler. Not a beloved king but someone who can strengthen the kingdom and likely transition Westeros to an absolute monarchy.


On the other side, any big characters who know Renly but aren't in love with him are disparaging of him:

The bold little boy with wild black hair and laughing eyes was a man grown now, one-and-twenty, and still he played his games. "Look at me, I'm a king," Cressen thought sadly. Oh, Renly, Renly, dear sweet child, do you know what you are doing? And would you care if you did? -Cressen aka one of the maesters who raised him

What has Renly ever done to earn a throne? He sits in council and jests with Littlefinger, and at tourneys he dons his splendid suit of armor and allows himself to be knocked off his horse by a better man. That is the sum of my brother Renly, who thinks he ought to be king.-Stannis

The youngest of Lord Steffon's three sons had grown into a man bold but heedless, who acted from impulse rather than calculation. In that, as in so much else, Renly was like his brother Robert, and utterly unlike Stannis. -Cressen


He knew how to dress and he knew how to smile and he knew how to bathe, and somehow he got the notion that this made him fit to be king. -Olenna Tyrell

Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.-Donal Noye(the ex-smith of Storm's End who made weapons for Robert, Stannis and Renly)

This is all sounds like a guy who doesn't know what he's doing but wants to be king to stroke his ego. So essentially Trump but likeable
 

Kain

Member
Probably three based on Targaryen stuff and one about Ashai or something.

GRRM seems to be an easily deluded individual. I remember when he thought the show would dedicate multiple seasons to AFFC and ADWD in order to avoid it catching up to him, lul.

For all the dark shit he writes in his books he comes as a very naive guy in real life, true. It's somewhat cute.
 
Nah. Stannis actually knows how to govern. He just didn't have charisma but neither does Tywin so....

Renly had charisma but he's never really proven himself to be good at governing.

As Donal Noye said, Renly is like copper. Pretty to look at but not really worth anything in the end
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You are basing that comment, on a comment that a character made in the story with little actual explanation...It depends on what your metrics are of success in power. Given the disasterous situation that eventually emerged under Robert, which was in part sown by his own neglect and pride, and under the subsequent Lannisters, could Renly really have been worse? from the qualities he exhibits in the television series at least, he seems to have intelligence and a sense of fairness...I know which I would prefer. As for dealing with the snakes, well he is supposedly susceptible to flattery, but that hasn't particularly been born out by the scenes in which he does show up. His sexuality would pose a problem, but not necessarily if he married, was discreet about it and bore heirs...There have been many rulers in history who were gay beneath their public pretense...

Black_Sun: Seeing your follow up comment, I was referring only to the TV series, where I feel his portrayal was pretty flattering. In the books, he does come across as somewhat more foppish, frivolous. In the series, he comes across as more reasonable, level headed and likeable than either of his brothers, with better social skills than either (Stannis is horrendous in this regard, and he comes across as mostly a dumbass in the TV series).
 

Artdayne

Member
Real talk though, I enjoyed Spider-Man 3 more than Spider-Man 2 but I know Spider-Man 2 is the better movie.

Same would apply here.

One's a layered fantasy book series and the other is popcorn television. You could enjoy the show more than the books and that's valid.

But when it comes to the competing the quality of writing, it's not even a contest. The books win.

It's like comparing The Shining to Goosebumps.

Well one is a book and the only thing that matters is the writing.
 

Moff

Member
His reason for not doing roberts rebellion doesnt make any sense to me. The show is based on a book for christ's sake. We knew in advance what happened on the show for a long time.

Unless they put all of that in the next 2 seasons, which I doubt, I dont see how that should keep them from doing a fleshed out roberts rebellion mini series.
 

CloudWolf

Member
We're not doing Robert's Rebellion either. I know thousands of you want that, I know there's a petition... but by the time I finish writing A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, you will know every important thing that happened in Robert's Rebellion.
Cute, he still thinks he will finish writing A Song of Ice & Fire.

WINDS OF WINTER, five successor shows, FIRE AND BLOOD (that's the GRRMarillion, remember?), four new Wild Cards books, some things I can't tell you about yet... it's a good thing I love my work.
This guy. I also can't help but notice that he doesn't even mention A Dream of Spring.
 

Sesha

Member
I don't get the point of actively working on a Silmarillion until the books are done. Same with Dunk & Egg. Ideally you finish a story before you dedicate yourself to prequels. We're not talking about just one or two additional books. George himself even argues against making shows where we know the outcome. Shouldn't that apply to his books too? I mean, he can write whatever he wants, obviously, but he's not being consistent and he seems lacking in priorities.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
At this rate I don't see wow till 2018 and lol at dream of spring . I'd be cool with it if he was okay with others finishing off his work . Eh well he is the writer after all . :)
 
It's pretty clear that there will be no end to the books. Thus, i'm fine with him approving and giving knowledge to others so we can have more official material from the universe he created.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
It's pretty clear that there will be no end to the books. Thus, i'm fine with him approving and giving knowledge to others so we can have more official material from the universe he created.
Agree I mean it sucks for book readers but as a show person who turned into books . I'm glad I didn't start books cause I would be so insanely frustrated . I'm just happy I'll get a conclusion . Yeah d and d aren't as good as him but at least I get some semblance of an ending .
 

SMG

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His reason for not doing roberts rebellion doesnt make any sense to me. The show is based on a book for christ's sake. We knew in advance what happened on the show for a long time.

Unless they put all of that in the next 2 seasons, which I doubt, I dont see how that should keep them from doing a fleshed out roberts rebellion mini series.
Most people don't read the books.
 

CloudWolf

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I don't get the point of actively working on a Silmarillion until the books are done. Same with Dunk & Egg. Ideally you finish a story before you dedicate yourself to prequels. We're not talking about just one or two additional books. George himself even argues against making shows where we know the outcome. Shouldn't that apply to his books too? I mean, he can write whatever he wants, obviously, but he's not being consistent and he seems lacking in priorities.

He's also working on four new books in his Wild Cards series. This guy not only has no sense of priorities, but doesn't even seem to know what his fanbase wants. Nobody cares about those Wild Cards books, just stop it.

Also, his blog gives this fascinating insight in his work process which honestly says it all:

and we've spent days together discussing their ideas, the history of Westeros and the world beyond, and sundry details found only in The World of Ice & Fire and The Lands of Ice & Fire... when we weren't drinking margaritas and eating chile rellenos and visiting Meow Wolf.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
He's also working on four new books in his Wild Cards series. This guy not only has no sense of priorities, but doesn't even seem to know what his fanbase wants. Nobody cares about those Wild Cards books, just stop it.

Also, his blog gives this fascinating insight in his work process which honestly says it all:
I'm literally about to google wild cards wtf lol
 

Monocle

Member
Hey guys! Just wanted to give a small update! Yes, I'm working on five fucking prequel shows for Game of Thrones, about 6 or so novellas, a big pile of Wild Cards shit that nobody cares about, overseeing a translation of ASOIAF to hexadecimal, and in 50 years, we'll be doing a Dunk & Egg adaptation probably! Oh, and if there were more hours in the day, I guess I would spend one of them typing another 14 words of Winds of Winter.
Fucking seriously, god damn. The man needs to focus. Stop staying yes to all that random bullshit!
 

KonradLaw

Member
Fucking seriously, god damn. The man needs to focus. Stop staying yes to all that random bullshit!

Oh come on. At this point the only person who can delude themselves that ASoIaF novels will be finished is Martin himself. Just be happy we'll see ending thanks to HBO.
 

Monocle

Member
Oh come on. At this point the only person who can delude themselves that ASoIaF novels will be finished is Martin himself. Just be happy we'll see ending thanks to HBO.
I just hope they can finish the series before the juju that took the show from its worst slump to its highest high runs out.

S5 was pretty bad except for Hardhome. S6 was consistently awesome.
 

Forkball

Member
I don't blame him for a second for wanting to do whatever he wants at this point in his life, such as reveling in fame, fortune, and glory.

But as a ASOIAF fan... damn

Also I never wanted a Robert's Rebellion show. We already know everything that happens, especially after last season. What are people dying to see? Stannis eating horses? Tywin sitting on his ass until the last episode?
 

Ratrat

Member
Anyone would be good with the right advisors provided they listen. Stannis had Davos and Melisandre. Renly had Loras????

Stannis is a fusion of Oliver Cromwell, Tiberius Caesar and Henry Tudor (who were all pretty successful rulers albeit tough, miserly and filled with rebellions). So he has all the right ingredients to be a decent ruler. Not a beloved king but someone who can strengthen the kingdom and likely transition Westeros to an absolute monarchy.

On the other side, any big characters who know Renly but aren't in love with him are disparaging of him:

This is all sounds like a guy who doesn't know what he's doing but wants to be king to stroke his ego. So essentially Trump but likeable
We dont know enough about Loras and Margaery in the books, but they pretty much follow Olena, no? Everyone hates Melisandre, can you imagine what fuckery she'd start in Kings Landing? Stannis would make enemies of everyone including Littlefinger and Varys.
Also, its very cliche in Westeros history to look down on kings who don't fight. None of that stuff against Loras means anything.
 
If Renly secured the throne and had no opposition, I absolutely agree. But as long as the realm is not united, I would disagree. With a fractured realm, it means different factions will always be out to spread dissent. With Cersei it was the rumors of adultery and incest. With Renly it would have been his homosexuality. Religion is a means to an end, and a powerful weapon when you want to accuse your enemy on moral grounds.

He had the best chance of uniting the realm. He had pretty much won until he got all that shade thrown at him.

From there, the Targaryans showed how much power religion had, which was none (pre Cersei).

Other stories? I can't think of any interesting ones besides some sort of fall of Valyria.

Fucking seriously, god damn. The man needs to focus. Stop staying yes to all that random bullshit!

Given his last two books I think keeping him distracted is a fine plan.
 
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