Little Chicken
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I don’t get gamepass… I want to own my games am I the only one here?
Jayjayhd34
Member
Even bought games physically or digital you do own the game you have liesense to play it.
Elysium44
Banned
Game pass isn't analogous to movie rentals. If you could just rent the one game you want to try then it might be.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
My issue with any rental subscriptions is that I play games on my own timetable and sometimes I take years and years before i get around to finishing a game. Plus the games I really wanna play right away are not in the services.
I'd be better off with more demos and time trials tbh. At least then I'll know if I like the game and can get it and finish it whenever without anything leaving a service.
I'd be better off with more demos and time trials tbh. At least then I'll know if I like the game and can get it and finish it whenever without anything leaving a service.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Ehhh, Potato, Potahto to me. In the SNES and Genesis days, my dad would take me to rent a couple of games every weekend. I'd imagine that would come out more than the $10 I spend a month on PC gamepass and that was almost 30 years ago. BlockBuster turned to Hollywood Video, then came Gamefly, now it's Xbox Gamepass. You're right, it's not analogous. Xbox PC Gamepass is cheaper then what my family spent 3 decades ago.
Movie rentals you would pay 3-4 bucks to have the movie for what...1...2 days? I've had Death Stranding on Gamepass for what, damn near a year now? Blockbuster would be garnishing my checks by now if that were the case. Also, to be clear. I do OWN Death Stranding. I have a Physical Copy on PS4. I would have double dipped too on PC if it didn't come out on Gamepass.
People really need to work their brain a bit more...stop thinking in binary solutions. There are more than 2 ways to skin a cat.
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Putonahappyface
Gold Member
scarlet0pimp
Member
I like owning my own games, the problem is that there are alot of games that come out I would like to play so game pass allows me to try them without having to pay full price. Starfield is a good example for me, I wouldn't normally think i have time to play a game like that so wouldn't bother buying it, but through game pass I was able to play it and enjoy it for around 30 hours so far.
Games that I do enjoy I buy such as Hades which I played via game pass and enjoyed.
Games that I do enjoy I buy such as Hades which I played via game pass and enjoyed.
ozz ex machina
Member
Why buy a game brand new when you can play on a pass for a month, then buy it later for a fraction of the price if you truly do want to own it?
I paid fuck all for gamepass ultimate stacking gold for 3 years (managed to do that twice). It's a no brainer. Nothing about "low income" it's about trying games i'd have never bothered with for free. Plus getting some great brand new games I would have paid for, for free. A years game pass is less than a new AAA game price.
"Owning" your own games is a digital library is an illusion anyway.
I paid fuck all for gamepass ultimate stacking gold for 3 years (managed to do that twice). It's a no brainer. Nothing about "low income" it's about trying games i'd have never bothered with for free. Plus getting some great brand new games I would have paid for, for free. A years game pass is less than a new AAA game price.
"Owning" your own games is a digital library is an illusion anyway.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
ReBurn
Gold Member
I don't understand the "for people with limited time it's better to just buy games" perspective. Even if you can afford it, why are you electing to spend up to $70 per game, or more with some editions, if you barely have to play them? I also have limited time so I end up waiting until games are on sale to buy them because my backlog is so full. It's a total waste of money for me to buy at release knowing that by the time I get to finish them they'll cost half as much. Even $40 for some games seems like a stretch unless I'm absolutely sure I'll love them.
Sub services have helped me budget my time and money. For less than $200 I've spent on them in the past 20 months I've been able to try and play what would have cost me well over $2K without a subscription to buy new just to be able to try them. Developers still got paid for the time I spent and I saved money. The difference is that I don't own everything I played, but so what? It's not like I'm going to have time to go back and play most of it again anyway. But I have purchased more than I would have otherwise.
I do understand the scrolling through a list of crap to find something you want to play concern, as PS+ and game pass both have loads of stuff I don't think I'll like. It's like going to Netflix or the Redbox and scrolling through the never-ending list of movie poster thumbnails and not seeing any pictures that jump out at you. But I've found that in a lot of cases I enjoy something I didn't think I would like, and would never even have tried, if I had to buy it first. I try 6 or 7 different smaller, less popular games per month and end up loving so many of them. It's a really good option to have.
Rockondevil
Member
There’s been a plethora of indie games I wouldn’t have played without Game Pass.
I’m sure they’d get more money if I purchased the game instead of playing it on Game Pass, but I wouldn’t have done that.
If you like a game and want to digitally “own” it, then do that. Nothing stops you.
I’m sure they’d get more money if I purchased the game instead of playing it on Game Pass, but I wouldn’t have done that.
If you like a game and want to digitally “own” it, then do that. Nothing stops you.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I had GamePass Ultimate for 3 years, and it works if you are totally happy to play the games on the service and only the games on the service and when they disappear you just forget they existed, of course with a heavy reliance on MS' games. This is the only use case that really makes any sense to me. Like even if I loved AOE4 (and I do, it's great), it makes more sense just to buy AOE4 and play that a lot than it does to stay subscribed to GP to play AOE4.
I know it also lets you try a lot of games, like say Cities Skyline 2 this month, but then it just becomes yet another competitor for your time, and if you're also buying games on Steam or PS or whatever then it just doesn't make sense. For example, Spiderman 2 looks like an absolute must play, if I buy that, then my GP is going to waste. And of courrse, this is the situation that MS wants you to be placed in, obviously choosing to stick with GP and stay there excusively.
I know it also lets you try a lot of games, like say Cities Skyline 2 this month, but then it just becomes yet another competitor for your time, and if you're also buying games on Steam or PS or whatever then it just doesn't make sense. For example, Spiderman 2 looks like an absolute must play, if I buy that, then my GP is going to waste. And of courrse, this is the situation that MS wants you to be placed in, obviously choosing to stick with GP and stay there excusively.
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CeeJay
Member
As the original buyer of a physical game you are probably not going to get your moneys worth compared to playing on a sub unless you play that game for years and years, i'm sure we can agree that the number of games we fully get value out of compared to the amount we spent is going to be a small amount of games. If you buy many games, you cannot play every game for years so on average you will spend more on games than you would if you played on a sub for the same cost sunk.
However, when you think about the second hand market, one physical game that you buy new and then later sell is bought by someone else who then plays it and sells it on and on down the line. Only the money from that initial sale goes to the publisher. So, if a game ends up being played by 10 people the publisher could in theory have charged each of those people 1/10th of the money that the game cost new to subscribe to play it and still make the same amount of revenue. Each of those 10 consumers could have played the game for the same amount of time and effectively had a greater enjoyment/cost ratio whilst also giving the publisher the same revenue. In essence yes you are right, a sub service is setup to make the publisher more money but that doesn't mean that the customer has to equally lose that amount for it to pay off.
If anything the sub providers are stealing that revenue away from brick and mortar shops, Ebay, courier firms etc. rather than the consumer.
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Bond007
Member
Gamepass is a demo service, rental service, hit it and quit it service for me. I don't renew often and only pay when i'm interested in something.
I have purchased zero XBOX games since last gen.
I like to own my games and Xbox makes it so i don't. So i wont invest in the platform.
I have purchased zero XBOX games since last gen.
I like to own my games and Xbox makes it so i don't. So i wont invest in the platform.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Wait till OP finds out that game fly also exists and it even has subscribers on GAF.
DaGwaphics
Member
Basically sums up the entire debate for this thread.
If you play the games you buy over and over again, GP might not be for you. If however, you mostly play the games you buy once or twice through and are finished with them (totally me), than GP is perfect for you.
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Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Uh....you can still buy them. Usually at a discount too if you have GP, or just outright
Jboemios
Banned
I guess you dont have Netflix or any video subscription and only buy in Bluray the movies-series you want to watch.
Humdinger
Gold Member
For me, it's not about owning vs. renting so much as the time and variety issues. If I gamed for hours every day and enjoyed a wide variety of genres, GP would be a great deal. But I only play for maybe a few hours per week, and my tastes are pretty defined. So GP (or PS's service) have never seemed worthwhile for me. I've signed up for both of them at times, then always ended up feeling as if it wasn't for me.
I do like owning games, because it gives me the option of popping them in whenever I want. Many are not available on sub services.
I do like owning games, because it gives me the option of popping them in whenever I want. Many are not available on sub services.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
I had CD roms rot on me in less than five years. How can someone trust their media will last?
AngelMuffin
Member
You buy a license to play the game, whether it’s digital or physical. You own nothing.
Yeah, but I was talking about your other point.
Most people don't play most games for days, months or years on end. You play Kirby, or Mario, or Uncharted or Spider-Man once during a long weekend, and then it goes back on the shelf. It makes as much sense to own those as it makes sense to own a movie on DVD after you've played/watched them.
The games you play for months on end, are games you can't even buy/own since they're mostly gaas or subscription based
Killjoy-NL
Member
I get the point for a service like GamePass and it's nice to have the choice of using such services, but personally I have no interest in it, just like I don't have interest in PS+ outside of paywalled online multiplayer.
Elysium44
Banned
Saying something which isn't true a second time doesn't make it any less wrong. I have played loads of games for a long time which I bought. Some of the most popular multiplayer games can be bought. Also there are plenty of single player games with very long play times and/or significant replay value.
Here's my Steam games sorted by most played. (Half Life 2 numbers are wrong because Steam didn't calculate them until years later - it will be probably a few hundred hours as I replayed it loads.)
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On Xbox my most played game is Forza Horizon 4 at nearly 4,000 hours. I certainly did buy it.
On EA (PC) I've played Battlefield 3 and 4 for a gigantic amount of time over the years as well.
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Muffdraul
Member
Game Pass was a big part of why I finally ditched physical and now go digital as much as possible. I'd want to re-play some game I bought physical a long time ago, and I'd notice it was on Game Pass and I could just install it from there instead of having to go through a bunch of dusty cardboard boxes from when I moved three years ago, saving me from having a huge pain in my ass. After a while, I was just buying digital versions of games I already owned physically. If there's one thing I don't mind paying for, it's convenience.
Okay, we're kinda talking about different things here.Saying something which isn't true a second time doesn't make it any less wrong. I have played loads of games for a long time which I bought. Some of the most popular multiplayer games can be bought. Also there are plenty of single player games with very long play times and/or significant replay value.
Here's my Steam games sorted by most played. (Half Life 2 numbers are wrong because Steam didn't calculate them until years later - it will be probably a few hundred hours as I replayed it loads.)
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steamcommunity.com
(despite what it says, the link above should work without being logged in)
On Xbox my most played game is Forza Horizon 4 at nearly 4,000 hours. I certainly did buy it.
On EA (PC) I've played Battlefield 3 and 4 for a gigantic amount of time over the years as well.
You're talking about your own experiences, I'm talking about the average player.
I mean, there are people like you when it comes to movies. They've watched Lord of the Rings or Friends at least 20 times, and they probably own the boxsets for those. But for most people watching it once on a streaming service is perfectly fine.
Elysium44
Banned
Multiplayer games have infinite replay value, people typically buy them to play for a long period, that is exactly what the average player of those games does. Also some single player games have a lot of replay value and/or have infinite replay value too (Resident Evil Revelations raid mode for example). You don't seem to know what you're talking about, unfortunately. Nothing you are saying makes any sense. I think I'll end this conversation here.
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MacReady13
Member
I really do wonder how you people played games before game pass was a thing. I hate sub services in gaming and just sub services in general. The idea of never owning something yet paying a company monthly to rent something is absurd.
I hate it in life in general (mobile phones, renting houses etc) but where it can be avoided, I'm not certain why anyone would constantly rent to never own. Each to their own but this isn't the path gaming wants to go down. It hasn't worked out well for the music industry with places like Spotify ruining what artists get paid from physical sales (oh but you can STILL BUY YOUR MUSIC.....) and it is starting to ruin tv/film with streaming (just check out all these strikes with workers not getting paid what they should). If you think gaming is immune (you can still buy games with a sub service yet game sales are WAY down on Xbox) then good luck to you.
I hate it in life in general (mobile phones, renting houses etc) but where it can be avoided, I'm not certain why anyone would constantly rent to never own. Each to their own but this isn't the path gaming wants to go down. It hasn't worked out well for the music industry with places like Spotify ruining what artists get paid from physical sales (oh but you can STILL BUY YOUR MUSIC.....) and it is starting to ruin tv/film with streaming (just check out all these strikes with workers not getting paid what they should). If you think gaming is immune (you can still buy games with a sub service yet game sales are WAY down on Xbox) then good luck to you.
MacReady13
Member
Didn't I just see the latest headlines in the States that big retailers are starting to phase out selling Blu Ray films now, cause streaming is the preferred way of watching films?
I could have sworn I also saw that here in Australia, Disney are not distributing any of their films on Blu Ray anymore. But i'm sure this is just a temporary thing as sub services are good for everyone and won't stop ANYONE from buying to own what they want...
devilNprada
Member
I never thought of this actually.... But i guess I should have when Netflix cancelled season 2 of Julie and the Phantoms and put out like season 16 of karate kid...
We are at the mercy of their shitty decisions...
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Well put. This idea of "just buy it!" screams of corporate buggery. And the shaming and accusations of "you broke son" is just average consumers being used as puppets to do free business by higher ups.
I've yet to see a legitimate reason given to buy digital games on day one. Can't sell them, can't lend them, can't refund them. That makes this industry the absolute worst anti-consumer market out there. Imagine buying other products that you don't know the quality of until after you've purchased it, and then not being able to get a refund. Absolutely ridiculous, and if the market accepts that level of service, then that's exactly what they deserve.
X-Wing
Member
Buy the games then. Games are still being sold despite Gamepass. That is a poor argument.
devilNprada
Member
Yeah you keep saying this... That wasn't the argument he was making.
Where the fuck am I going to buy Julie and the Phantoms season 2 if Netflix never makes it?
X-Wing
Member
The thread is about Gamepass not about Netflix. The original post is about Gamepass not Netflix.
All the games released on Gamepass are for sale. So what's the argument?
devilNprada
Member
No sir the thread is inherently about the subscription....
His argument was about being beholden to what the subscription service provider chooses and chooses not to produce!
SEGAvangelist
Member
I hate being "low income." I want that OP $$$.
X-Wing
Member
LOL, ok.
Still doesn't hold. Unlike Netflix Gamepass is not Microsoft's exclusive way of distributing games.
I don't get it either. I don't play games like that. I am not going in and out of a lot of games. I stick to relatively few games if not one game at a time. There's a learning curve with games so switching in and out of games is kind of like starting and quitting job after job. I've never been one to play everything or constantly play games. It would get too repetitive and monotonous. And with a subscription...I would feel like I have to play constantly to make use of it.
I get the math tho. IF you're going to pay $60 for a game and it's on GP for $15/mo and the game is relatively short then ...I get it. But I also know there's no such thing as a free lunch. So not sure how that world works where they can give away $60 games for $15.
I get the math tho. IF you're going to pay $60 for a game and it's on GP for $15/mo and the game is relatively short then ...I get it. But I also know there's no such thing as a free lunch. So not sure how that world works where they can give away $60 games for $15.
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