Yeah, because talk of high definition home video belongs there, right?Darkman M said:Take this bullshit to the gaming side.
polyh3dron said:Yeah, because talk of high definition home video belongs there, right?
How familiar are you with Netflix's recent moves? It seems odd you'd single them out for scorn when they have been the primary envelope pusher in digital downloads/streaming lately.Phoenix said:iTunes numbers have been quite flat and dropping of late. Where you might want to look for more clarity is the rental trend because that is where more activity is taking place. (and not in the bullshit pilates videos like Netflix has)
Teddman said:How familiar are you with Netflix's recent moves? It seems odd you'd single them out for scorn when they have been the primary envelope pusher in digital downloads/streaming lately.
Teddman said:I just don't see anyone else diversifying downloads/streaming services as fast as Netflix, which now has their Watch Instantly feature built into five distinct home devices, including two major brands of Blu-Ray player, a low price point standalone box (Roku), the Xbox 360 (now with HD streams), and TiVo, as well as just-announced Mac capability in addition to longtime PC support. Their recent deal with Starz was the first of its kind and a major poaching of a cable-TV exclusive premium programmer.
Netflix also boasts the largest single library of on-demand content as well as the only pure (cheap) subscription model for digital downloads. They're laying the groundwork to position themselves as the market leader, and I think you're vastly underrating them.
I don't agree with your assessment, but I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as it's your line of work and all.
Instant viewing beyond on a PC? If those service have anything officially supporting connection to a TV, it doesn't have near the penetration of the Netflix service.Phoenix said:Amazon and Jaman did this last year with Tivo.
Watch Instantly has been available on Amazon, Jaman, and Hulu for some time now.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F5FI3S/?tag=neogaf0e-20The BRD players are not yet available
Movielink was not a cable TV programmer like Starz, it was an internet download service.Starz was NOT the first deal of its kind, they were beaten to the punch a few years back with Blockbuster purchased Movielink.
Well I don't think that's how it works. NeoGaf is more likely to be arguing about this because we're tech enthusiast. When's the last time you've seen Gaf conform to anything? Everyone here has different preferences and motives. Some people are pro-digital distribution, some are pro-Blu Ray, and let's face it, some people just have an axe to grind.Haunted said:Just consider that a gaming and tech enthusiast forum like GAF is usually a couple years ahead of the mainstream.... and people are this split about it here, which basically means that it'll probably take a while for BR to push through.
Even with the insane marketing.
XMonkey said:Wow this thread got stupid the last few pages.
WinFonda said:Well I don't think that's how it works. NeoGaf is more likely to be arguing about this because we're tech enthusiast. When's the last time you've seen Gaf conform to anything? Everyone here has different preferences and motives. Some people are pro-digital distribution, some are pro-Blu Ray, and let's face it, some people just have an axe to grind.
fanboi said:
The tech enthusiasts in this forum that have been proponents of BD haven't said otherwise from the start, by and large. Even if you allowed for the possibility that it will grow as quickly as DVD did, we'd still be 4 years from seeing BD take over the video market.Haunted said:Just consider that a gaming and tech enthusiast forum like GAF is usually a couple years ahead of the mainstream.... and people are this split about it here, which basically means that it'll probably take a while for BR to push through.
At this point it's difficult to buy anything but an HDTV. Tubes are dying and with them interlace display tech. Televisions last a good ten years or more so it's going to take some time for the least interested consumers to upgrade (when their old set dies) but it's inevitable. Like the phonograph CRTs will someday be curios and collector's items for videophiles looking for some idealized nostalgic experience while the masses watch soaps and football on flat screen HDTVs.Captain Sparrow said:Basically, Blu-ray needs to drop in price and it will do just fine.
Otherwise it has no benefit whatsoever to the rest of the market. DVD was a huge leap over VHS. The majority of people don't have and never will have a big HDTV. So there is no benefit for them.
Even with an HDTV, I'm fine with buying good movies on sale for $5-10 and playing them on an upscale player.
And these BD players as well:Teddman said:Instant viewing beyond on a PC? If those service have anything officially supporting connection to a TV, it doesn't have near the penetration of the Netflix service.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F5FI3S/?tag=neogaf0e-20Movielink was not a cable TV programmer like Starz, it was an internet download service.
I know some have answered you alrady but damn your post reeks of ignorance i had to response.Mr Jones said:Cost is the factor that keeps me from buying BD movies.
I'd LOVE to get Ratatoille, Casino Royale, Band of Brothers, and Planet Earth. But I can't find any of those for under $25 dollars. The only reason why I have ANY BD flicks at all is because pawn shops around me will sell them for about 9-12 bucks. But that's after scouring these places, because otherwise all they have is stuff like Ultraviolet, Resident Evil, and Spiderman 3. No thanks.
As long as movies are $22+ dollars per movie, I'm going to hold out. I can rent BD from Netflix, so I can get my fix that way.
Teddman said:Instant viewing beyond on a PC? If those service have anything officially supporting connection to a TV, it doesn't have near the penetration of the Netflix service.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F5FI3S/?tag=neogaf0e-20Movielink was not a cable TV programmer like Starz, it was an internet download service.
Captain Sparrow said:Basically, Blu-ray needs to drop in price and it will do just fine.
Otherwise it has no benefit whatsoever to the rest of the market. DVD was a huge leap over VHS. The majority of people don't have and never will have a big HDTV. So there is no benefit for them.
Even with an HDTV, I'm fine with buying good movies on sale for $5-10 and playing them on an upscale player.
yeah, but on newer technology (which at just over 2 years it still is) price is always a barrier and it always comes down. It doesn't "need to come down to gain adoption". That's just the way these things work. Not really correcting anyone, it's just stupid how these articles say "Blu-ray is failing and not being adopted by the mainstream because it's priced too high" yet it's pricing AND adoption rate are in-line with the most successful new technology of all time.. DVD. It would be an entirely different story if we were saying these same things 4 years in (like DVD-Audio and SACD.. lol.. )Phoenix said:This is correct. BRD's barrier at the moment is price. They have to get the price to $200 or below so that it can move out of the early adopter penetration area. There are also 'other contractual factors' that will really push adoption once the price gets below $200 as well.
borghe said:yeah, but on newer technology (which at just over 2 years it still is) price is always a barrier and it always comes down. It doesn't "need to come down to gain adoption". That's just the way these things work. Not really correcting anyone, it's just stupid how these articles say "Blu-ray is failing and not being adopted by the mainstream because it's priced too high" yet it's pricing AND adoption rate are in-line with the most successful new technology of all time.. DVD. It would be an entirely different story if we were saying these same things 4 years in (like DVD-Audio and SACD.. lol.. )
I will actually disagree with that last part simply because the migration to blu-ray hardware will happen naturally, unlike DVD where it was a pretty dramatic market shift. I mean you needed a completely new type of player for DVD that had nothing to do with your VCR. Probably within the next year you will see the high-end of DVD players ($100+) turn into Blu-ray players. People won't look at it as investing in Blu-ray as much as just buying a new higher end upscaling DVD player that just happens to play Blu-rays. I think one thing people haven't discussed is that at this point the hardware manufacturers are in the clear. Blu-ray players will continue to come down in manufacturing costs and will just eventually tier by tier begin phasing out DVD players. And hell, that's just what manufacturers need as there isn't much above upscaling that they can offer in today's DVD player to prompt people to replace/upgrade an existing player. So to put it point blank, Blu-ray from a hardware standpoint is a success.Phoenix said:Won't disagree, but I think the market segmentation for BRD needs to come out of the early adopter phase faster than DVD did.
Guybrush Threepwood said:Doesn't the BR version of Planet Earth have less features than the DVD version?
borghe said:I will actually disagree with that last part simply because the migration to blu-ray hardware will happen naturally, unlike DVD where it was a pretty dramatic market shift.
OuterWorldVoice said:Needs more audio atoms.