Kataploom
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It does look like one party is paying money for the other having less games
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Jim Ryan: "[Microsoft is] a tech giant with a long history of dominating industries, the choices gamers have today will disappear"
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bentanchorbolt
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They aren't buying their way into a monopoly. They are ensuring that moving forward they can satisfy the demand for new and exclusive content that gamers crave. Bethesda and ActiBlizz were for sale before MS came knocking, could have been bought up by anyone large enough. You should be happy it wasn't Embracer, Tencent, or Amazon.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
All these games were made under Sony but you are saying it like it's a negative? Psygnosis made them after they were acquired in 1993 and they were also multiplatform.
So what if Playstation published Twisted Metal and it was a big hit? It was their own game. You don't make sense.
Destruction Derby and Wipeout 1 and 2 were released on Sega Saturn. So much for "destroying Sega" and then giving them big hits
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ChorizoPicozo
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Green influencers are furious I am telling you.
drganon
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You've got a real gift for fan fiction.
daveonezero
Banned
If it hasn’t been posted. This is the MS strategy in all industries. They appear to be a force for good but it is all to get rid of competition.
Embrace
Extend
Extinguish.
Embrace
Extend
Extinguish.
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bentanchorbolt
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This. EA pulled support for the Dreamcast because they wanted to be the sole provider of sports videogames and Sega said no, they had recently bought Visual Concepts and were unwilling to concede to EA's demands, so EA left and later said "Every dollar we spend developing for the Dreamcast is one less dollar we could spend developing for the PS2."
ChorizoPicozo
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Is this the new slogan of Dr. Disrespect?
ShadyAcshuns
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Screw him and his hypocrisy.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Making up?
Sony acquired at LEAST around 25 studios and I'm probably missing some. Microsoft before Zenimax was quite a bit behind even with those other recent acquisitions around it. Now they are historically close to each other.
Activision will be if it goes through, what puts Xbox OVER Sony in acquisitions. It is literally catching up. Microsoft didn't make many Acquisitions before Xbox One's low point at all. Most of the time they just let the companies go that they dealt with, some of which were actually created by Microsoft first (high feelplus etc.)
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SoraNoKuni
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People here clearly haven't played Monopoly.
Thank God Europe has decent regulators and this acquisition can fail, if everything was like USA, Apple MS Meta the list goes on would probably have bought even the air we breathe.
Thank God Europe has decent regulators and this acquisition can fail, if everything was like USA, Apple MS Meta the list goes on would probably have bought even the air we breathe.
Stooky
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It looks like Microsoft doing what they have been doing with their other divisions, using their war chest to buy market share. I was always wondering when it would happen and now here we are. After a decades of being kicked around by Sony and Nintendo, Microsoft said we’ll buy the bar. We’ll see how it turns out for devs and gamers.
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freefornow
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Pic makes Jimbo look like he has taken a stray shot to the eyes at a bukkake party.
Green influencers are furious I am telling you.
DarkMage619
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MS the third place monopolistic corporation. If MS is a monopoly in games I wonder what Sony and Nintendo are with an even bigger share of the market? Makes Ryan's comments even more silly.
gothmog
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Lol. This is a new one. Kudos.
I will say that Sony's acquisitions over the years were pretty organic. Usually acquiring studios that had worked closely with them. Xbox did it as well. This was why I personally did not care about the Bethesda acquisition because Xbox had a strong working relationship with them.
The Activision deal is not very organic, though.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
MScarpa
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If you're worried so much about the future of video games, can't imagine how you even leave your home. So many what ifs could happen. Hurricane , car accident, freak base jumper lands on you, it's endless. How do you handle all that pressure?
DeepEnigma
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Pelta88
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I feel bad for Randalthor. He is a really good gamer and podcaster but he turned to that weird Phil Spencer sycophancy over time.
Unknown?
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A lot of people believed MS's story about bringing more choices so yeah, I'm sure people fell for Ryan pretending he wouldn't do the same.My god has a Sony CEO ever behaved this unprofessionally. Making a complete fool out of himself in front of a global public. Is anyone stupid enough to believe his story? Me good guy other guy bad boo hoo
Gamerguy84
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Damn Jim Ryan woke up today like.
Hawking Radiation
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I like Jim because he's doing a good job at Sony but he really needs to work on an alternative and stop whining.
This deal is going to happen no matter what.
This deal is going to happen no matter what.
Thirty7ven
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Sounds like a warning to me, if regulators don’t put some brakes on this deal even if it’s in the form of concessions then nothing stops Sony going out there and buy a publisher. Of course there will be up roar about it, and there will be so much spin that the earth will shift poles.
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Swift_Star
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The naivety of you people is touching.
DaGwaphics
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You’re so innocenfwhy do you think they bought Skype? And Nokia? They just failed at Nokia but please, don’t be naïve.
How was Skype or Nokia involved in making MS dominant in the areas they are dominant in? That's what I'm asking. Also, no one could look at Nokia in 2014 and think that MS's purchase there was going to result in them having a monopolistic position in the smartphone market. LOL
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Swift_Star
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lol what do you think MS Teams is?
https://suiteguides.com/google-workspace-vs-microsoft-365-market-share/
And Nokia was a failure, but they tried.
bentanchorbolt
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About as touching as people that disrespect everyone they can online over simple differences of opinion. I hope being an asshole fills some void you lack in your real interpersonal relationships.
DaGwaphics
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You think MS Teams dominates that space? Zoom honestly seems much bigger, tbh.
No one is saying that MS doesn't operate successful businesses outside of their core industries, it's just hard to see the string of examples where they buy out industries and dominate through acquisition. It's almost like that's an imaginary premise.
John Wick
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Are you on crack? Sony had the brains to make an arcade board based on PSX technology which it licensed to arcade manufacturers like Namco etc. Namco had no exclusive agreement with Sony. Your making shit up now.
Psygnosis was bought and still made games for Sega.
You need to stop with this victim complex. Nintendo didn't have anything to do with it did they? It was just bad old Sony.
gothmog
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Teams has been dominating because they bundle it with the rest of the Office suite so you basically get it for "free". I have seen more companies go from Slack and Zoom to Teams in the past few years than in any other direction. So I would say their purchase of Skype paid off as it gave them the stomach to go in on a product like Teams.
HeisenbergFX4
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One of the main things I have taken away from this entire acquisition is a whole lot of people doesn't understand what a monopoly really is
Hero of Spielberg
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Activision want the money, MS have the money. Sounds pretty organic to me.
sainraja
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I was saying that I would go back and read through the conversation to get some context but I can't say I understand the need to make the distinction any better. I don't see a point in going through the whole argument again so I will just conclude by repeating what I was saying earlier — talent/IP make a publisher who they are. Otherwise they are simply just a printing press I guess.
Now I get that A&B has a side to their business that does the approve/disapprove/fund allocation for their individual studios that make games for various platforms under different contracts (the publishing part) but the company is ultimately who they are because of what they own and the people they have, not because they have the capital to release games without relying on someone else.
Now I get that A&B has a side to their business that does the approve/disapprove/fund allocation for their individual studios that make games for various platforms under different contracts (the publishing part) but the company is ultimately who they are because of what they own and the people they have, not because they have the capital to release games without relying on someone else.
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Topher
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Yep. That would pretty much apply to anyone who think any of this has anything to do with monopolies.
IFireflyl
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Here you go:
Sony has had 4 more acquisitions than Microsoft (I'm not including the Acitivision Blizzard acquisition since it hasn't gone through yet), but Microsoft's total studios acquired are larger than Sony's even without Acitivision Blizzard. Microsoft's issue isn't having the studios and/or talent. Their issue is that they don't know how to manage their acquisitions. They assume that everything can be resolved by just throwing more money at the problem, and that's a terrible way to manage this business.
Microsoft isn't playing catch up because they lacked studios or talent. They're playing catch up because they keep getting to the end zone and then fumbling the ball. They have had every chance to dominate in the gaming space, but they end up blowing it. You can't look at these two acquisition lists (even without the Activision Blizzard acquisition) and say that Microsoft is simply needing to level the playing field with the Activision Blizzard acquisition.
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MasterCornholio
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I know, because all you do is tirelessly chase down individual posters one at a time like a rabid dog. You contribute little else.
Previously it wasTopher now it seems to be my turn for whatever reason. Hope you have fun.
Hendrick's
Bite me in the butt. It's my turn now.
You know you want a chunk of that juicy goodness.
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Kataploom
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Sure, no different than what Sony has done too to put PS where it is... The only company that has grown themselves with barely purchasing other game dev studios is Nintendo, all the tactics are ok imo, they're just different play styles, and like it or not Sony basically justified MS actions themselves, many posts say why already
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Deleted member 471617
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Can't wait to see Jim Ryan on behalf of Sony decline the 10 year offer for COD only for it to lead him overplaying his hand and then end up being shocked when the acquisition goes through without any concessions and COD becomes exclusive as it fucking should be in 2024.
fallingdove
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Zenimax Media is actually 9+ studios (depending on how you look at Bethesda and the 3 studios that fall under the Bethesda umbrella). And acquisitions are the definition of lacking studios and talent. Just saying…
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
This is nonsense. Crybaby for saying facts?
Fabieter
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And chances are high that ms will buy the next publisher after avb. As long as they still release games on steam i don't care but knowing ms history that's not a given.
pasterpl
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Facts? Ms is offering gamers the most choice out of all 3 platform holders, Sony and and Nintendo are limiting choices. Ms even said they will keep cod on playstation. Why everyone makes assumption gamers = playstation owners? Playstation is great brand but their user base is max 120m which is tiny % of the overall gaming market. Removing something from playstation shouldn’t matter. Playstation owners are not entitled to get all games on their platform. Other platform holders can have exclusives. Also if activision wanna sell it’s not ms fault that sony couldn’t afford them, if they could Jim would jump on this and made all games exclusive to playstation straight away and sonygaf would be cheering.
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yurinka
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MS is not in a position to monopolize any gaming market and wont even be after acquiring ABK, they'll be far from it. Sony never had a similar policy, they never made a $70B acquisition, never acquired a big 3rd party publisher and even less the top grossing 3rd party publisher including the top selling 3rd party IP that basically every year tops the sales chart.
Sony only bought dev studios, way less relevant to the market than ABK, and signed 3rd party exclusives for isolated games. Same as every other console platform holder ever did.
MS instead bough a couple big publishers and a ton of dev studios and IPs for almost $100B in some years. In these years Sony spent less than 10% of that in acquisitions.
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Sorry, but this is just bullshit. Even if this deal goes through there is no way for Microsoft to "monopolize" industry. Do you even realize how many developers/publishers/companies are part of gaming industry? From giants like Sony, Nintendo, Tencent, Nexon through big publishers like EA, Take-Two, Ubisoft to smaller companies like Devolver, Focus Home etc.
How much of a market share would Microsoft with Activision Blizzard have? 15%? Maybe even less. Does that sound like a monopoly to you? They are taking a beating in console space, they are being beaten on PC front by Steam. So where exactly there is a worry of monopoly? Because of Call of Duty? Series that will remain multiplatform until 2036 at least? The only way even CMA was even able to try to challenge this deal is because they carved out specific cloud gaming market and look at the possible implication of Xbox + Azure. It's like if you had to approve merger of two film companies and you carved out their theme parks as a proof that deal is a problem.
Or because they have subscription service? I mean, Sony has subscription service too, so it's not like a novel concept that nobody else can afford. Fact that PS Plus is more shit is Sony's problem. They refuse to do more than absolute minimum to have a compelling service. As cheapest as possible, just to not loose customers to Game Pass.
And yes, of course, Microsoft would kick up a stink if Apple or Google would try to buy Activision Blizzard. And I would criticize their hypocrisy same way I'm criticizing Sony now. At the end of a day, I understand why Sony is doing that. They don't care about players. They care about protecting their business interests and interest of their shareholders. It would be strange for them to not fight it (to this day I find strange that they did not fight Bethesda acquisition). But pretending that Microsoft is some kind of bogeyman with history of anti-competitive behaviour that Sony has with PlayStation is really funny.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
This is delusional. Ps is making their own games. Microsoft is buying games to put on gp. Not to make them on there.
I don’t care about choice of platforms. Game being out on all platform does not benefit me. I just need it on ps
DenchDeckard
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Sony worldwide probably said to Jim...if you let this deal go through on your watch....here's the blade...you must commit seppikku for dishonering us.
Man's fighting for his life.
Man's fighting for his life.
Orta
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Not to mention the Eidos/Tomb Raider & Square/Final Fantasy exclusivity deals too. Sony had nothing about them back then apart from a huge cheque book. They started this whole thing and its why I utterly detest Sony/Playstation and its fanboys to this day. Biggest hypocrites around.
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