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Kenichiro Yoshida: Playstation will expand gaming experience to PC, mobile and cloud
//DEVIL//
Member
LordOcidax
Member
Playstation Pass incoming…
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yeah, mega billion dollar industry is headed for a crash.
TheTony316
Member
This video is from last November. Why is it being posted now?
twilo99
Member
That’s exactly what you get with Xbox today.
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
IE 2 posts up from yours
Draugoth
Gold Member
Jayrock is such a twat if you've ever seen his posts. He took a video from last year (look at the date on the vid) and tried to repost it as some kind of news for his green rat army. Not sure why you're reposting it hereDraugoth .
Already asked the mods to delete this because it's old info
//DEVIL//
Member
This is a different problem. games cost so much these days because western development environment a is requiring to hire incompetent woke and forced diversity even if they are not very talented. studio sizes jumped in crazy numbers ---> which makes the games cost more to make.
You do not see this problem with Japanese devs and they release one big AAA game after the other whatever its Square-Enix or Capcom or whatever. only US and west Europe that are having this issue of games cost way too much ( or at least way too much more than it should compared to eastern region ).
and even if I to assume you are right and I am wrong 100%. do not release the games on PC day one and devalue your console ? Give the console some perks to justify buying one. games come 2 years on console before the PC get the better port etc. but nope. lets fuck these consoles and make them worthless even though we design and sell them lol.
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//DEVIL//
Member
do more proper reading of what trajectory this industry is heading when it comes to gaming software, forced micro transactions and forced shifting to GaaS.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because they are doing it in a smart "PRO" Playstation way. Anything they port to PC will be done on THEIR terms. Not on the terms of PC gamers. As it should be.......
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Helldivers 2 is PS5/PC
Concorde is PS5/PC
Fairgames is PS5/PC
Etc etc...nothing new here to see....
daninthemix
Member
They're not worthless - they are a much cheaper, single-box turnkey solution that you plug in under your TV and start playing without fuss. PCs are not comparable at all, and have divergent target customers.
Generic
Member
Square and Capcom release their games on multiple platforms. Capcom even released the RE4 Remake on a last-gen console and iPhone.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Two years is just hurting sales potential imo. Six months would make more sense.
In two years the excitement is long gone. We’re also seeing comments from people who were disappointed in things.
LordOcidax
Member
These thread is going to be gud… Grabbing popcorn.gif. Thanks Sony for fuel gaming forums.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That’s not going to cause a crash. Mobile gaming obliterates every platform.
If there’s ever a collapse, it’ll be the unsustainable AAA market with ballooning costs.
arkhamguy123
Member
Because that’s a valid question if exclusives are available on 3 other platforms day 1…?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What current gen games are you talking about that run at 20-30 fps with low settings, exactly? Or was this just a "consoles suck so bad, lol derp" exaggeration?
TheTony316
Member
Guys, this is old. The twitter video is from last November. Nothing has changed. Why is this news now.
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yurinka
Member
Nothing new, they always said during years that PlayStation will continue being their core even if they are expanding on PC, mobile or cloud.
Regarding PC, they plan to only release some of their games there, not all. Regarding day one on PC, it will be only the case for some (not all) of their MP GaaS titles.
They don't plan to release their traditional SP non-GaaS games day one on PC, they're happy releasing them (the ones ported to PC, some never will be ported) 2 or more years after their original release on PS (the original game, not the remaster/remake) and plan to continue having such window.
Yes, it's their strategy since many years ago, nothing changed.
The facts say the opposite, that they are growing and apparently part of that new userbase may come from PC.
In the leaked docs we saw 50% of the PS5 new users didn't have a PS4, meaning they came from other place. We also saw that PS achieved in December the biggest PS active userbase ever. So PS is growing and not shrinking.
We also saw that in 2023 PS5 had a huge increase YoY compared to MS and Switch. In the case of MS, PS already was outselling Xbox and the distance was much bigger so that 50% of new to PS users can't be from Xbox or Switch only.
So part of them pretty likely must come from PC players who became new fans with the ports and got the consoles to play the other games not ported.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For me, I'm still console first for gaming, while I use my laptop for $5 Steam and GOG budget games, or games that are 100% PC. Ya I know I can hook up my laptop to my big screen and plug in an Xbox gamepad to play full budget games on PC, but I dont see myself transitioning to PC as a whole even if I can and online is free.
GHG
Member
It's not only that, I could play with mouse and keyboard for any playstation games with shooting elements from day one, I could use whatever wheel peripheral I want when playing GT7 (which is the only reason I'm still in the thrustmaster ecosystem and haven't switched to Moza/Simucube/Simagic), you can play everything on hardware that can actually handle native 4k 60+ FPS and the games are cheaper.
Europe knows what's up, which is why Xbox sales have tanked and PC has picked up the pieces. If Sony and Nintendo want to stay in business on the hardware side then they should be staying far away from PC.
You know why. Look at the recent Xbox rumours/news.
SonyToo™.
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arkhamguy123
Member
Nothing in here really indicates the sky is falling and Spider-Man 3/Ghosts of Tsushima 2/Naughty Dog New IP caliber games will be on PC day 1 but I guess we’ll just have to see.
I would’ve said years back you’d never see ratchet and clank, uncharted, and god of war (and more) on steam but here we are
I would’ve said years back you’d never see ratchet and clank, uncharted, and god of war (and more) on steam but here we are
Toons
Member
Lol we would be so lucky.
Most of the people still fighting console wars are doing it for entirely irrational reasons so they'll find something else to fight about for sure. Won't even take long
TheTony316
Member
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The reason why service titles will be day#1 on PC is because such titles live and die based on engagement. And to max engagement you need to max addressable market from the start.
Core Playstation titles will continue to have 12 month exclusivity windows because they still need to upsell their hardware.
As demonstrated by Days Gone, its entirely possible to sell strongly on PC even after an extended period of discounted sales on console if its the right product.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Another nothingburger. They’ve been doing this same strategy for years now. Main games ported to PC years later and GAAS games launch on PC day and date. He’s reaffirming their current strategy.
Waltz8bit
Neo Member
It would be, however, as I’m sure you know, emotion precedes logic. As the move now comes from a beloved brand, I’m sure a lot of mental gymnastics will follow soon enough to point how this is a completely different case.
Kenpachii
Member
Dunno why people are surprised to be honest.
PS4 generation introduced online, subscriptions, and DLC's, cosmetics, digital games. which saves consoles from going multiplatform to start with, because the extra income could validate staying exclusive. Now PS5 games are costing even more to produce, and the PS6 is also upcoming while at it. The 10 buck increase on a game isn't covering that.
PS4 generation introduced online, subscriptions, and DLC's, cosmetics, digital games. which saves consoles from going multiplatform to start with, because the extra income could validate staying exclusive. Now PS5 games are costing even more to produce, and the PS6 is also upcoming while at it. The 10 buck increase on a game isn't covering that.
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Kilau
Member
I’ve been wanting day one PC but it makes me wonder if they haven’t been watching what’s happened to the Xbox brand.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
True.
Sony even has released The Show on Xbox (and now Switch too) for the past 3 games. MLB mandate or not, they still agreed to make multiplatform games day one. The PS game gets about 1M sales per year for the past 15 years. And there was a tweet saying the game has reached 4M gamers I think. There's probably more people playing it on Xbox than on PS systems since The Show has been on GP all 3 years.
And Sony said the GAAS games will be day one PC too.
So it shows they will greenlight day one on competing platforms when they feel it's the right thing to do. It now comes down to their traditional SP big budget games Yes or No day one on competing platforms. Xbox has got nothing, but PC has got ports later.
Look at the poster of the tweet being posted here for a clue:
"guys make sure to buy an xbox to play these exclusive games but sony is going third party"
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yurinka
Member
Hermen said it will be a case per case scenario. Only some of their games will be ported to PC, not all.
For the ones releasing in PC, they are happy releasing them 2+ years after their original PS release and that will continue being the case (that distance can be smaller compared to a PS5 port/remaster/remake that isn't the original release). Regarding the specific case of MP GaaS (won't apply to traditional SP non-GaaaS titles), some of them will release day one on PC.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Helldivers 2 already a day one PC game. MLB The Show on Xbox and Nintendo day one. Some of the PC ports are faster than two years. LOU Part 1 and Uncharted Collection.
It's not full fledged day one everything on competing platforms, but steadily edging up. It all started in 2020 and is slowly ramping up.
nowhat
Member
...and that's because of MLB, the league. They were going to pull the license if Sony didn't make it multiplatform.
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It hasn't really edged up at all. TLOUpart 1 was a remake and Sony consider Helldivers and MLB live service. People were saying it will edge to 6 months 3 years ago yet there is still no GT7, HFW, GOW Ragnarok yet. I'm sure at some point they may come but the time is NOT getting shorter.
BrunoCoel
Member
Xbots and PC dumbs trying to create a “Sony too!” moment.
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arkhamguy123
Member
I still remain skeptical if it’ll go to where you seem to think but it is just Occam’s razor why they’re (kind of for now) abandoning their more Nintendo ways with exclusives. Also didn’t the insomniac leak confirm they’re not doing day 1 PC with the single player blockbusters? I could be mistaken on that.
But anyways, TOTK didn’t cost goddamn $300 million fucking dollars. It’s profit margins and budgets. They need a bigger ROI to keep reinvesting in games and sadly it seems consoles alone aren’t quite cutting it. There’s a reason we saw PC ports right as their AAA games were getting exponentially bigger and prettier. Shawn Layden was ringing this bell for years. They need that extra couple mil from the steam sales to make it more worthwhile. It is what it is. If all their games sold like Mario kart/Zelda/Hogwarts/COD, and had budgets more in check, they’d still be PS4/PS5 only.
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OverHeat
« generous god »
WTF are you stupid or something?
MALpractice311
Member
So you'll finally port Bloodborne to PC and release a PS5 remaster?
yurinka
Member
Seems you didn't read my post.
All their traditional, non GaaS SP titles that get ported to PC are being released at least around 2 years from their ORIGINAL RELEASE ON PS (not a port/remaster/remake). TLOU has been released on PC 10 years after its original release on PS. Uncharted 4 has been released on PC 6 years and a half after its original release on PS.
Some GaaS never will be released on PC, or minimum not at launch (like MLB21, MLB22, MLB23, Destruction All Stars, Gran Turismo Sports or maybe Gran Turismo 7 or older ones like LBP or PS Home etc.). Some of their GaaS instead will be released in PC, and some of them -the Bungie ones and probably the MP only ones- day one.
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Zathalus
Member
Revenue so far for the handful of PS games on PC is near half a billion for Steam alone. That means that over a consoles lifespan Sony can make well over a billion dollars from PC sales. None of that includes Destiny 2 or other GaaS income either. Porting costs compared to the revenue is a pittance as well.Hundreds of millions....
They literally could have funded one new game with what they spent on porting what they have so far and it would have sold more then those ports combined
PC makes good money for Sony, especially as they are only 2 year old ports. All of that revenue is enough to fund another 5+ AAA games.
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yurinka
Member
Hundreds of millions....
They literally could have funded one new game with what they spent on porting what they have so far and it would have sold more then those ports combined
In their most recent report Sony shown that including Bungie their games made almost half a billion dollars outside PS in the last fiscal year alone.
And in the first half of the current fiscal year they had an over 50% YoY increase on top of that.
We also saw in the leaked docs from Insomniac that the PC ports only cost them around a couple millions, so the PC ports are super profitable for them, basically free money.
The cost of 7 ports is around or under 20M, you can't fund a AAA game with that because we saw their budgets are around 200-300M. But these ports are generating almost half a billion per year mostly in revenue (and growing, with a 133% CAGR).
Meaning, with the yearly profits of the game they sell outside PS they can fund at least one whole big AAA game (the whole game, not 1 year of development). Per year.
And this is with only a few old games, Destiny 2 is 7 years old and the PS Studios ports get released on PC -the ones who are ported- 2 to 10 years after they were originally on PS. They'll keep releasing PC ports of old games, but also some of their MP GaaS will be relased day one on PC. Being new and being GaaS, and from the makers of Destiny (Concord and Marathon) they'll generate much more.
In a couple years Sony will be generating well over a billion per year only from PC.
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graywolf323
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also oddly MLB doesn’t even release on PC
