I think all people connect with people who are like us or have traits we admire. The problem with this diversity and inclusion stuff is that it perpetuates the idea that you are like people who share your skin color, gender, or sexual orientation which isn't true. It also leads to bad stories and uninteresting characters because many creatives today think your race or gender is a personality trait and focus on that.
People who absolutely need to see people who look like them to be entertained are fucking Racist Narcicists. We shouldnt pay those self involved weirdos any attention.
I agree with the last part but if people didn't care about identifying with the characters then this thread wouldn't be 25 pages long, it would be considered a non issue
Its an issue becauss of the truth bending agenda behind it not because people here need representation. Your projecting.
Idiotic comparison
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Republicans arent banning anything. There "preventing" youth from being exsposed to explicit adult content thats inappropriate for there age. School dont allow Playboy mags on there shelves. I guess that equals censorship to you as well?Idiotic comparison
1) Shakespeare was only ever published after his death by his actors John Heminges and Henry Condell. It went through many years of editing, updating and reorganising to make sense of work which was largely relegated to play scripts without published copies or variations on the same play with inconsistencies. And there is a bunch of scholarly speculation that other playrights were involved in the editing process of his work
2) In his time. All scripts were approved and of course censored of morally or politically undesirable material by the Office of Revels on behalf of the royal family
St John's Gate and Shakespearean Censorship - Museum of the Order of St John
When Henry VIII became head of the Church of England in 1534, he began to close religious houses throughout England and Wales. The buildings, lands and wealth of religious communities, like the Order of St John, were transferred to the crown and in 1540, Henry took the Order of St John’s...
In 1642 after his death his plays were outright banned and only allowed to return with heavy censorship, and plays got banned and changed multiple more times through history
The Banning of the Bard | Online Library of Liberty
William Shakespeare’s plays have been performed in many ways. They’ve been translated into nearly every language on Earth and at least one “alien” language (Klingon). Sometimes they have undergone serious changes. Legal requirements forced cuts and alterations, and in some times and places...oll.libertyfund.org
3) Lastly it's funny to bring up Shakespeare, when it is Republicans banning literature
Yeah legislation that has resulted in the banning of Stephen King, Tolstoy, Huxley, Hemingway, Frank Herbert, George RR Martin in Florida public schools is really helping kids
Yup - also, we feel these stories are false at a very profound level because they try and subvert deep-rooted historical, cultural and psychological archetypes. You see that with something like the Lord of the Rings, which represents the archetypes and rings true, and Amazon's Rings of Power, which sees those archetypes as racist and sexist or even too Christian or "Western" and tries to overturn them. The one rings true and the other rings totally false - except to people in the thrall of woke DEI ideology. Disney is another good example - used to represent the archetypes, now it tries to subvert them.
After posting this I will look up what "titles" are being omitted and what the "controversal" content is since just listing famous "authors" by itself tells me nothing about these books.
Is it appropriate reading for an elementary school? Alot of these so calles "bans" arent even referring to books being removed from all grade levels. In fact a good chunk have been limited to older students or now require a parents approval not banned or removed. But that fact isnt politicaly convenient as the headline "Backwards Florida's at it again" click,click,click,click ...click.
Yes Im sure they have removed some from highschool. The question we should be asking them is why and not waste time listening to those who are ideologicaly opposed to them to tell us "why they really did it". Thats just foolish.
Nice. Recommending M.C. Escher if you ever stumble across one of his books. Dunno if his style is something that would appeal to you unless you got one of his books already.
For sure, I'm a fan!
I dying to get my hands on that Frazetta book. Too bad about the infighting his children have engaged with over his paintings since his death. Theres still a number of his famous works that arent included in the book because of that.
Idiotic comparison
1) Shakespeare was only ever published after his death by his actors John Heminges and Henry Condell. It went through many years of editing, updating and reorganising to make sense of work which was largely relegated to play scripts without published copies or variations on the same play with inconsistencies. And there is a bunch of scholarly speculation that other playrights were involved in the editing process of his work
2) In his time. All scripts were approved and of course censored of morally or politically undesirable material by the Office of Revels on behalf of the royal family
St John's Gate and Shakespearean Censorship - Museum of the Order of St John
When Henry VIII became head of the Church of England in 1534, he began to close religious houses throughout England and Wales. The buildings, lands and wealth of religious communities, like the Order of St John, were transferred to the crown and in 1540, Henry took the Order of St John’s...
In 1642 after his death his plays were outright banned and only allowed to return with heavy censorship, and plays got banned and changed multiple more times through history
The Banning of the Bard | Online Library of Liberty
William Shakespeare’s plays have been performed in many ways. They’ve been translated into nearly every language on Earth and at least one “alien” language (Klingon). Sometimes they have undergone serious changes. Legal requirements forced cuts and alterations, and in some times and places...oll.libertyfund.org
3) Lastly it's funny to bring up Shakespeare, when it is Republicans banning literature
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Over several years of interacting with you on GAF I have observed two things in particular. One is that you are an insightful poster who I enjoy conversing with. The second is that we have very different views on some of the social stuff.MY GOD!!!! Some of yalls are literally becoming the things you hate. The bolded is 100% false. They are purely censoring content in schools. Especially in Florida.
- ”Fountainhead” by Ayn Rand
- Watchmen by Alan Moore
- Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut
- The Westing Game by Beatrice Davis
- Esperanza Rising by Hykue Danneberg
And these books aren't just banned in Elementary school, but in middle and high schools too. If you are upset about this inclusivity training.....then how can these book bans not make you more upset?
Read it yourself: All 673 books removed from Orange classrooms
Here is a list of the 673 books removed from teachers’ classroom shelves in Orange County for fear they might violate state law and rules on “sexual conduct:”
I don't agree. This thread is 25 pages long because most people here are making fun of how dumb this inclusivity training video is. No company needs stuff like this. I haven't read every comment here but I haven't seen anyone claim they care about identifying with characters. Most people just want to be entertained and you don't need to feel represented or identify with a character to be entertained.
And what inappropiate material is claimed to be in those works?Reality is reality. We all know what that means. What does GTA 5 have to do with this topic?
EXACTLY!!!
Great point!
MY GOD!!!! Some of yalls are literally becoming the things you hate. The bolded is 100% false. They are purely censoring content in schools. Especially in Florida.
- ”Fountainhead” by Ayn Rand
- Watchmen by Alan Moore
- Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut
- The Westing Game by Beatrice Davis
- Esperanza Rising by Hykue Danneberg
And these books aren't just banned in Elementary school, but in middle and high schools too. If you are upset about this inclusivity training.....then how can these book bans not make you more upset?
Read it yourself: All 673 books removed from Orange classrooms
Here is a list of the 673 books removed from teachers’ classroom shelves in Orange County for fear they might violate state law and rules on “sexual conduct:”
Hogwarts says you are spot on with the bolded.
And sometimes you do see fast food chains trying to pander to healthy eating people, main difference here is that they do not switch your existing hamburger for an alternative but they just provide an option to them.
I would argue Insomniac has already gone wrong. I haven't played Spider-Man 2 yet but the Miles Morales game represents everything I'm talking about, the plot in that game was awful and a big downgrade from Spiderman 1. Gaming is lucky that its very gameplay focused so many people can ignore "woke"(for lack of a better term) elements of a game and just focus on the gameplay.
We're still doing the "Abby is trans" in 2024? Seriously?
Did the first Spider-Man game sell over 5M in 10 days? No...it didn't. "Closing the gap" is already you admiting it never reached those numbers as fast.
A sequel's sales are strongly based on the previous installment. TloU2 didn't sell as well as it did because it was a masterpiece of a game. It sold as it sold because of tLoU1.
How is it a bad premise? When it comes to this kind of stuff there are three groups, people who like woke stuff, people who don't, and people who are indifferent. You don't think the majority of gamers ignore woke stuff in games, either because they are indifferent to it or actively dislike it?
I also saw a cutscene of Abby getting anal sex.
The only thing that Lev added to the story was to have a trans kid rejected and attached by heteropatriarchal NPCs, whose only function in the story was to be transphobic. An unidimensional, uncharismatic and poorly written woke tokenism character.
It's a terrible concept to begin with. I connected with the characters in Godzilla Minus One more than any Hollywood movie this year and those people didn't look like me, live in the same time as me, or speak my language lol
Agreed. Western characters like Batman, Superman, Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, Mickey Mouse, Spider-man, Wolverine, etc are popular all over the world in almost every country. Disney has no Japanese characters yet has a theme park in Tokyo. You'd think that would be enough evidence to prove that people can connect with characters and stories regardless of race or gender or where the story takes place but for some reason, some people don't believe it.
Not true at all. Companies hire consultants for many reasons. Mostly to get information about a topic they dont know about. Theres nothing wrong with it. Its up to the company how they use the information. Example ill hire a consultant that is an expert in Mid evil fighting techniques to help the team develop a combat moveset for a character in that time period. Im doing game about encountering a militia in the congo, im hiring a consulant that knows about this because im not going to the jungle to get reference for that. When you don't do the research thats when you get generic weak characters. Consultants are import, everybody in the creative field uses them.
there are universal themes in story telling that go back to the motifs in greek mythology. Those same greek themes run through every story told today and are universal. Then there are cultural themes, that grounds a story in a place, time period, gender, race, era etc is what brings authenticity.
That's a good point, but only half the story. Schools are also removing popular books "preemptively" and blame the law for publicity and to sabotage it, not because they seriously think the book is against the law... At least that's what I would do if I was a woke activist.
All the recent flop marvel and disney movies, the x play revival, easy allies are all great examples of get woke go broke. You can't point to Spiderman, an ip that still has a reputation and say people want this shit. They are pulling bait and switch. People trust the ip, and they betray that trust. Barbie succeeded due to a meme.
Not necessarily as much control as you imply.
He died in 1616. After 1660 the plays were allowed to return. But tastes had changed, and he was not actually that famous. John Dryden, who adapted Troilus and Cressida speaks of clearing away a rubbish heap to allow a diamond to shine. Bowlder lived much later and it never interefered with the ability to find the true Shakespeare. Restoration taste was for raunchy farce, and Shakespeare was just not to taste
Absurd. Most of Shakespeare’s plays are built around an anxiety about Royal succession. This concern with preserving legitimate order is conservative. A good reason why he did NOT participate in the above mentioned assassination of Queen Elizabeth, and why his team of players became the King’s Men, the King’s official players.
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