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Media Create Sales: Week 34, 2011 (Aug 22 - Aug 28)
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lunchwithyuzo
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I think it's going to be pay to play. Not that MH3 didn't sell a million being pay-to-play multiplayer... between subscriptions and retail they can still make a decent return. And they're future proofing with a WiiU release too.Erethian said:
I bet DQX still outsells FFXIII.
lunchwithyuzo
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FFXI didn't have a true single player component. We'll have to see exactly how the details work out for DQX, but MH3 might make a better comparison (subscription multiplayer, free solo).donny2112 said:
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Just wondering, what is the best selling console MMO game in Japan?
If DQ is purely online (with subscription fees), then we could see it take a big hit on sales.
If DQ is purely online (with subscription fees), then we could see it take a big hit on sales.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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LOCK said:
It's never going to be released.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Okay, looks like it may be online (and thus subscription) based regardless going by the stage demo logging out to save? Hopefully not, but if so (and it's a pure MMORPG) then sales are going to be way lower. Like maybe-not-a-million lower.
Erethian said:
so basicly I nailed it completely right first time.
SE releases FF11, gets a market research firm to conduct focus groups, surveys, etc on how the new gameplay mechanics were received by consumers, uses that data to inform the development of FF14
if it's standard operating procedure and it's foolproof what went wrong?
Coxy said:
That you implied a marketing firm told SE it was alright to release FF14.
I mean, that's how I read, "a-ok to go". Unless you worded it poorly. Whereas all I'm talking about is using a market research firm to get feedback from people who bought DQ9.
Not to mention FF14 was a monumental failure of delivery by the development team, not of marketing. Or market research, since they'd already proven that a FF MMORPG could work with FF11. So unless they're using the same project leads and developers to internally develop DQX, I'm not sure why the comparison.
And I suppose we could also get into the semantics of how DQX seems to eschew a full blown MMORPG approach (ala WoW or FF11) for something more like PSO or Guild Wars, but I'd rather wait until more detail is out there.
extralite said:
Depends how they implement it. If you're still required to be online, but you can just recruit AI members into your party instead of having to group up with others, then they would certainly require you to pay. It would be similar to someone who plays a current subscription-based MMO and only partakes in solo content. They still pay to use the service.
Nuclear Muffin
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
That depends on whether or not they decide to make the game fully playable offline or not.
If you can't play through a single player story offline like a traditional DQ game in DQX, then S-E are making a humongous gamble here (especially since the series thrives on how traditional it is)
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
schuelma said:
If it is really online only, then I would expect a huge drop off in sales. Closer to FF11 than FF8.
Brazil said:
The same could've been said for Final Fantasy back when FF11 was released. Hell the effects are perhaps potentially even greater since DQ thrives on how traditional it is, while the FF series was no stranger to big changes in gameplay.
Plus Dragon Quest isn't the strongest 3rd party franchise in Japan any more (that title now belongs to Monster Hunter)
But still, I fully expect the game to be completely 100% playable offline in single player as well (just like DQ9)
electroplankton
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Probably DQX will be lower than any recent entry of the series, but still quite high, probably in the 2.5-3mln range.
lunchwithyuzo
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If it's online/subscription only I could see under a million. If there's a "free" 1p component then it'll be over 2 million.
electroplankton said:
I don't think there's any way we can know this until more information comes out about the game. If it's FFXI redux with a tacked on single-player mode, then under 2m and maybe even under 1m is a possibility. If it's DQIX with online subscription multi-player instead of local, then "regular" DQ sales may be attainable.
Onion_Relish
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Why are the Japanese still buying psps? Doesn't everyome have one already? The numbers are always gigantic! If this shit keeps up its going to be the ps2 of Next generation: unending sales forever!
schuelma said:
Ugh. Not good news. Still maybe it's just to download something the game needs (e.g. characters or something
), and then the rest is playable in a real single-player mode. Still, that doesn't make it look good. I guess if you aren't going to back off of a Wii DQ "mainline" game in the face of tanking sales, putting a throwaway DQ with a chance of creating a stable revenue stream isn't a bad choice to make from the corporate perspective.PdotMichael
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A new chapter of "How I destroy a successful franchise" from Square Enix
Nuclear Muffin
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Just read Duckroll's translation. DQ X is dead in the water in terms of sales. It's going to be FF11 all over again.
Let's just hope that DQ 11 isn't too far off.
Let's just hope that DQ 11 isn't too far off.
Nuclear Muffin said:
I don't get why they are risking the franchise this much. If Enix plans to launch a MMORPG they should also be developing a traditional game alongside the online game, just like Squaresoft did with FFXI (FFIX, FFX, FFX-2) and FFXIV (FFXIII, FFVersus, FFXIII-2).
Maybe that's what they are doing and a DQVII full 3D remake will be presented on the 13th for 3DS. Or something.
Nuclear Muffin
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Spiegel said:
I don't see why they're numbering this game. It's as if they've learnt nothing from FF11.
Why not just call it DQ Online?
So much for the Wii U having a blockbuster 3rd party game right out of the gate, LOL!
Phoenician_Viking
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Does anyone know if the PSP was profitable for Sony overall? I mean all of it including R&D.
Father_Brain
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...but I thought FFXI wasn't a failure.
I mean, in terms of unit sales relative to the single-player games, sure, but didn't the subscription fees prove extremely profitable? More so than several of those single-player games, actually?
That said, I still don't understand why there isn't a single-player mode. Maybe DQXI is being developed concurrently and will be released earlier than we expect (like 2013), I dunno.
I mean, in terms of unit sales relative to the single-player games, sure, but didn't the subscription fees prove extremely profitable? More so than several of those single-player games, actually?
That said, I still don't understand why there isn't a single-player mode. Maybe DQXI is being developed concurrently and will be released earlier than we expect (like 2013), I dunno.
Nuclear Muffin
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Truth101 said:
I'm talking about unit sales, not profitability. FF11 didn't sell anywhere near as much as the other mainline series games (even though it made more profit for S-E)
This has the potential to do long term damage to the DQ brand (which is S-E's most important asset by far) and may hamper sales of future single player only DQ games (if they decide to make any more)
And if it isn't going to achieve a high number of unit sales, then it's useless for Nintendo since it won't be driving hardware sales as a result.
Nuclear Muffin said:
I don't believe the decline in the Final Fantasy series has anything to do with FF11 having a harmful affect on brand recognition. In fact we can see the brand has been declining before FF11 was even announced.
On the other hand DQ has been growing continuously over the years, as a franchise. Though, if SQ handles it wrong it might be harmful to the franchise, but that will not be because it is an Online-RPG.