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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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feynoob

feynoob

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Topher said:
oops

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Shouldnt this have been total consoles?
Because it doesnt make sense to use xbox one or xbs vs ps4 or ps5 in this equation.

Brad is adding all PS consoles vs all Xbox consoles.
Just your typical corprate bulshit stats that hides the real stats.
 
Topher

Topher

Gold Member
feynoob said:
Shouldnt this have been total consoles?
Because it doesnt make sense to use xbox one or xbs vs ps4 or ps5 in this equation.

Brad is adding all PS consoles vs all Xbox consoles.
Just your typical corprate bulshit stats that hides the real stats.
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Perhaps, but I was calling it bullshit for the wrong reasons.
 
mansoor1980

mansoor1980

Gold Member
adamsapple said:
You're more fun when you post Todd Howard memes :p
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even he said leaving playstation was a good thing

"Pick a side' meaning… PlayStation? Is that what you mean? Well.. a little bit. You don’t ever want to leave people out, right? But at the end of the day, your ability to focus and say, this is the game I want to make, these are the platforms I want to make it on, and being able to really lean in on those is going to make for a better product.

By focusing on those platforms, you really get to lean in a lot on making it the best it can be for those systems. [...] And we’re big believers in all of the avenues that Xbox and Microsoft are doing to get games to more people. Whether that’s the integration with the PC, which is huge for us, the cloud streaming and all those things. So I think it’s about taking a long term view. And our belief that those things are really fundamentally good. So we see it actually opening up more and more and more so that people’s ability to play our games - via GamePass and other things - their ability to play our games doesn’t go down. It goes up dramatically.

And I can say I’m proud to be part of Xbox. I think it’s great for the community of gamers."
 
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Unknown Soldier

Member
Topher said:
This hasn't been "glossed over". This isn't representative of "independent third party devs". It is 5 unknown devs and one with an extremely close relationship with Microsoft. If I had to guess I'd say most devs don't give a shit either way.
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So basically it's 5 Microsoft devs and 1 with an extremely close relationship to Microsoft 😂

A letter from an anonymous sender is the same as no letter at all.
 
DarkMage619

DarkMage619

$MSFT
Topher said:
Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.
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Unsurprisingly you failed to support your argument. If you think more people are harmed by this deal than helped I'd like to see the list. Multiple parties who do not currently have access to CoD will have it post deal. I can't think of any group even Sony losing access to this 'essential input' as regulators call it to the gaming industry.
 
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NickFire

Member
DarkMage619 said:
Unsurprisingly you failed to support your argument. If you think more people are harmed by this deal than helped I'd like to see the list. Multiple parties who do not currently have access to CoD will have it post deal. I can't think of any group even Sony losing access to this 'essential input' as regulators call it to the gaming industry.
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Every COD players loses when the game's new base spec is Switch via Cloud.

Every single one. Xbox players included.
 
Helghan

Helghan

Member
DeepEnigma said:
How is it downplaying when you can't weigh the importance without knowing who the developers are, with the only one revealed basically their 2nd party style studio?

What is there to discuss? Anonymous shit? Okay,

Discuss. have at it. Let's get into detail of "studios that shall not be named."

You first, GO!
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Wasn't this also the possibility for studios to be against it? Why didn't they step forward? 6 pro, versus 0 con is clear even if they are anonymous.
 
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Dick Jones

Dick Jones

Gold Member
Topher said:
Is there a place we can make requests like that? Cuz I have this list....


Tell Me More To Do List GIF by Disney Channel
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It was added when they were doing maintenence a few days ago.

As for the six. We know the CMA know the six and if they all have extremely close MS relationships, they'll be judged accordingly. Since we already saw one company named, it shows their statement should be viewed through the lens of the close relationship.
 
SenjutsuSage

SenjutsuSage

Banned
Pelta88 said:
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Someone hasn't read any of the CMA's documents. Random ass streaming company nobody has heard of is exactly who the CMA are concerned about in the cloud gaming space that it worries could be dominated by a small set of major players all protecting their own interests. The more less known the streaming company is, the more significant the deal and the more Microsoft absolutely shreds the CMA's SLC concerns.

Do try to keep up!
 
ulantan

ulantan

Member
You know there is a saying "put your enemy in delimmas not problems". I think sony and Microsoft want the same thing, to consolidate large portions of the industry. I think sony wanted to make a few moves earlier but the couldn't easily as they are the industry leader. So what do but wait, then all of sudden microsoft hands you a gift. The attempt to buy two of the biggest publishers back to back. What a golden opportunity to consolidate and also create a delimma for your rival. All you have to do is oppose them to regulators, and you get one of two outcomes either microsoft fails in its attempt and it hurts them publicly and internally. Or they get in front of regulators and the internet and scream from the heavens that the only way to compete is to buy big publishers. Watch as they cha cha real smooth infront the planet and attempt to redefine competition as acquiring giant publishers, and then they win they get activison. You are now free to buy what ever you want free from push back....


It just a theory. It's why I'm anti consolidation.
 
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NickFire

Member
SenjutsuSage said:
Someone hasn't read any of the CMA's documents. Random ass streaming company nobody has heard of is exactly who the CMA are concerned about in the cloud gaming space that it worries could be dominated by a small set of major players all protecting their own interests. The more less known the streaming company is, the more significant the deal and the more Microsoft absolutely shreds the CMA's SLC concerns.

Do try to keep up!
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Is your promoter tag an inside joke, or were you actually verified before you earned it?

But anyway, if I start a streaming company tonight and have no customers, would that make any deal with me the most significant one yet?
 
DarkMage619

DarkMage619

$MSFT
NickFire said:
Is your promoter tag an inside joke, or were you actually verified before you earned it?

But anyway, if I start a streaming company tonight and have no customers, would that make any deal with me the most significant one yet?
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The CMA was explicitly concerned about smaller cloud companies being denied access to the market because MS was dominant in the space. Why make fun of addressing the issue regulators claimed to concerned about?
 
Topher

Topher

Gold Member
SenjutsuSage said:
Someone hasn't read any of the CMA's documents. Random ass streaming company nobody has heard of is exactly who the CMA are concerned about in the cloud gaming space that it worries could be dominated by a small set of major players all protecting their own interests. The more less known the streaming company is, the more significant the deal and the more Microsoft absolutely shreds the CMA's SLC concerns.

Do try to keep up!
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So reply on twitter.

go away GIF
 
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NickFire

Member
DarkMage619 said:
The CMA was explicitly concerned about smaller cloud companies being denied access to the market because MS was dominant in the space. Why make fun of addressing the issue regulators claimed to concerned about?
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I didn't make fun of CMA's concerns. I asked you a question regarding a claim you made.
 
feynoob

feynoob

Gold Member
DarkMage619 said:
Unsurprisingly you failed to support your argument. If you think more people are harmed by this deal than helped I'd like to see the list. Multiple parties who do not currently have access to CoD will have it post deal. I can't think of any group even Sony losing access to this 'essential input' as regulators call it to the gaming industry.
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What did MSFT did to you man?
Everything that MS is doing now, can be done by Activision.
Don't let the PR distract you from that fact.
 
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Elios83

Member
DarkMage619 said:
The CMA was explicitly concerned about smaller cloud companies being denied access to the market because MS was dominant in the space. Why make fun of addressing the issue regulators claimed to concerned about?
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So if in 10 years these small companies grow because of these games and then become a nuisance for MS, what happens next?
Microsoft continues to give them access to the games? Isn't it in their power to make them collapse as they wish?
The problem with the CMA is that the 10 year deal is not an effective tool/remedy.
 
Topher

Topher

Gold Member
Elios83 said:
So if in 10 years these small companies grow because of these games and then become a nuisance for MS, what happens next?
Microsoft continues to give them access to the games? Isn't it in their power to make them collapse as they wish?
The problem with the CMA is that the 10 year deal is not an effective tool/remedy.
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Embrace, extend, extinguish. That's the fear.
 
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Pelta88

Pelta88

Member
SenjutsuSage said:
Someone hasn't read any of the CMA's documents. Random ass streaming company nobody has heard of is exactly who the CMA are concerned about in the cloud gaming space that it worries could be dominated by a small set of major players all protecting their own interests. The more less known the streaming company is, the more significant the deal and the more Microsoft absolutely shreds the CMA's SLC concerns.

Do try to keep up!
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You do realize that that's not my tweet, right?
 
Bernoulli

Bernoulli

M2 slut
but the biggest point by the CMA is that playstation players will lose COD if it becames exclusive

doesn't matter if they sign other deal, they need to adress Cloud competitors but the biggest for the CMA is playstation

i doesn't make sense that microsoft is saying we are bringing COD to 150 Millions if they remove from the 130 Millions PS consoles

that's the biggest concern from the CMA

and why is everyhting limited to 10 years, so after everything becomes exclusives and regulators can do nothing about it
 
mansoor1980

mansoor1980

Gold Member
Bernoulli said:
but the biggest point by the CMA is that playstation players will lose COD if it becames exclusive

doesn't matter if they sign other deal, they need to adress Cloud competitors but the biggest for the CMA is playstation

i doesn't make sense that microsoft is saying we are bringing COD to 150 Millions if they remove from the 130 Millions PS consoles

that's the biggest concern from the CMA

and why is everyhting limited to 10 years, so after everything becomes exclusives and regulators can do nothing about it
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pro tip............

microsoft is sick and tired of playstation winning
 
Thirty7ven

Thirty7ven

Banned
DarkMage619 said:
The CMA was explicitly concerned about smaller cloud companies being denied access to the market because MS was dominant in the space. Why make fun of addressing the issue regulators claimed to concerned about?
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They are concerned about the now and the longer term. What about new entrants? Even Google can come back with another solution, there would be nothing surprising about that.

What’s the point in giving the biggest cloud gaming conpany, control of the future if you want to preserve competition?

These deals don’t change that, because MS will own these games forever. It’s also a fact that MS already has every means available to become the future of cloud gaming.
 
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ChorizoPicozo

ChorizoPicozo

Member
Bernoulli said:
but the biggest point by the CMA is that playstation players will lose COD if it becames exclusive

doesn't matter if they sign other deal, they need to adress Cloud competitors but the biggest for the CMA is playstation

i doesn't make sense that microsoft is saying we are bringing COD to 150 Millions if they remove from the 130 Millions PS consoles

that's the biggest concern from the CMA

and why is everyhting limited to 10 years, so after everything becomes exclusives and regulators can do nothing about it
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🧠 is not at play here. is all lawyering stuff
 
Fredrik

Fredrik

Member
DrFigs said:
I think it's interesting this site is mostly anti-acquisition. But on resetera its the total opposite.

Idk what the implications of this is. But it makes me 🤔
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More Sony fans here perhaps?
I’m for it anyhow, I have all platforms so I simply see me getting more games on Gamepass if the deal goes through, simple as that. I’ve loaded up on Sony stocks but I don’t care, it’ll be alright, they’ll keep dominating either way guaranteed. And MS owning ABK or not, those who only have a single platform will have a crappy future anyway as I see it, there will be far too many exclusives on all platforms going forward.
 
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