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Microsoft and Sony have flipped haven't they?
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Hobbygaming
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You mentioned Horizon Forbidden West like Horizon is some long winded franchise that's been going on forever it's only the 2nd game
Also like some have mentioned Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, Concrete Genie, Dreams are all new IPs that Sony just released in the last year
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
That we know of, there could be projects we don't know of because they aren't far enough along yet. Beyond that, .. it goes back to the first point. If a movie publisher has successful movies being created by studios only capable of creating x # of movies assuming a movie took 3-4 years to make,... each studio might be inclined to keep creating sequels to make money. Look at the studio behind Hitman. They were making Hitman for the most part over and over. They are now independent and moving on to a new IP.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Who from their first-party studios showed off games in that event? Insomniac and Guerilla Games. That's it.
Are you forgetting how old the Horizon IP is in the first place?
You're really jumping the gun assuming what Sony is focused on investing in for next-gen. Especially given they just ended this gen with Ghosts
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Again, I AGREE with you. Dreams, The Last Guardian, Shadow of the Colossus are ideal Sony to me. But those are current or last generation games.
I'm talking strictly in terms of the next generation and what we're most likely to get in the first couple of years from Sony.
The interesting titles from MS were listed in the OP. We haven't seen any of those yet because they're next gen projects and the next gen hasn't arrived.
pasterpl
Member
isnt Dreams just beefed up project spark?
hybrid_birth
Member
Sony still has more 1st and 3rd party PS5 games to show. Most likely in August.
As for XSX lets see what games Microsoft brings on the 23rd. They don't have a track record of quality yet. They have that to prove.
MrS
Banned
I had to laugh at this. The only thing Tim Schaefer embodies is making bombas. When was the last time Double Fine put out a good game?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Thursday is going to be a bloodbath over here one way or another isn't it?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You are acting as if Next-Gen has already started. It hasn't!
Hobbygaming
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Sony says they have more games in development now than ever
Lost Soul Aside
Returnal
Astro's Playroom
Wild
Babylon's Fall
Supermassive's PS5 exclusive
Sony Japan's exclusive
Naughty Dog's new IP
There will be new IPs like PS always has
Lost Soul Aside
Returnal
Astro's Playroom
Wild
Babylon's Fall
Supermassive's PS5 exclusive
Sony Japan's exclusive
Naughty Dog's new IP
There will be new IPs like PS always has
FunkMiller
Member
This thread is basically:
”I think Microsoft is good and Sony is bad” couched in acceptable language to avoid a ban.
The obvious intimation is that they companies have swapped, with Microsoft being creative and good now, while Sony are lazy and bad.
The truth is that neither company are ‘good’ or ‘bad’ because this isn’t a child’s playground.
The two have differing business strategies for this new generation, but neither is better or worse than the other... and we just have to see how it all pans out.
”I think Microsoft is good and Sony is bad” couched in acceptable language to avoid a ban.
The obvious intimation is that they companies have swapped, with Microsoft being creative and good now, while Sony are lazy and bad.
The truth is that neither company are ‘good’ or ‘bad’ because this isn’t a child’s playground.
The two have differing business strategies for this new generation, but neither is better or worse than the other... and we just have to see how it all pans out.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Polyphony Digital, Japan Studio, Bluepoint Games,
I'm assuming with the amount of times, I've repeated myself on this point (It's even in the OP), I must be getting trolled. But I will persist...
I AGREE with you. Current gen Sony has funded wonderfully creative and risky projects. I have no issue with current gen Sony.
I'm talking strictly in terms of the next gen, where the bulk of Sony's first party studios seem tasked with working on (imo) stale franchise games at this point.
You're also partially right about Horizon Forbidden West. I don't think I should have necessarily used it as an example, but it is a relatively safe bet. It's not exactly Dreams or Death Stranding in terms of risk taking by Sony. Though, maybe the gameplay will be.
Perrott
Gold Member
What kind of stupid point are you trying to make here? Sony has tons of new IPs on the way from Housemarque (Returnal), Japan Studio, Arrowhead, Lucid/Wushu (Destruction All Stars), Santa Monica and maybe Guerrilla Games. Also, why are you assuming that the new studio in San Diego is making an Uncharted game? The creative director comes from Amazon Game Studios where he was developing a MOBA, while some of the other leads have a background in multiplayer games as well - there's even a couple of fighting games developers in there. None of that sounds like Uncharted to me.
And also, seeing how you are using the release of Sea of Thieves and the fact that Playground have gotten the keys to the Fable franchise in an attempt to solidify your, once again, stupid point, just let me remind you two things: first, that in the last 15 months Sony has released three AAA new IPs - Days Gone, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima -; and second, that they have also given the Silent Hill franchise to Japan Studio's Team Gravity. So yeah, they are no less than Microsoft in that regard.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
No, it's really not.
It's more like I observed a shift in directions from Sony and Microsoft and wanted to discuss it.
That's all. It's that simple.
demigod
Member
There’s a couple of fake Sony fans like the OP showing their true colors.
MrS
Banned
And yet you're the only one on neogaf dot com to make this observation. So has a shift really happened, or is it all in your mind?
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Kuranghi
Member
Super agree with this because a lot of the new IP, smaller games I've played in the last 3 years and loved have been on Switch:
The Touryst
The Stretchers
Good Job!
Golf Story
In fact 3 out of 4 of those games are from the last 12 months as well. I think all the indie games I want to play that are on PS4 are also on PC so I play them there for (family ofc, I'm a good boy) library sharing.
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That reminds me how funny it would be if they actually checked if the people you library share with on steam are really your family lol
*Steam asks for proof of my "family relationship" with my friend Pascal, who is a black man from Nigeria, me sitting here being a very white man*
"Ugh... he married my sister! Its IN-LAW" *wipes brow*
SaucyJack
Member
I would go with No, Unproven and No.
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Perrott
Gold Member
Bluepoint is not first-party
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Right forgot about PD since all they make are GT.
Japan Studio is just collaborating with BluePoint for Demon's Souls, who isn't a first-party studio. They'll have their own game that they've yet to announce.
You've also conveniently left out Sony's first new AAA IP for next-gen in your entire post
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Stuart360
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You have only been here 6 weeks. You will soon learn the 'do's and 'donts' when it comes to what threads to post on here. We all started somewhere.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Wait, when did they greenlight a new IP for The Coalition?
But nah, there's no evidence of them flipping... yet. Microsoft has yet to prove that they can do more than rehash the same IP IMO, at least right now.
But nah, there's no evidence of them flipping... yet. Microsoft has yet to prove that they can do more than rehash the same IP IMO, at least right now.
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DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Don't worry, the persecution complex already seems to have set in, so they'll survive just fine in Gaming section.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Microsoft could really blow us away on Thursday, but as of current? You're way off base OP, sorry to say.
whitesugar
Banned
so you state that sony are pumping out the same franchises, and your first point in MS's favour to the contrary is that they are releasing Halo soon, the what, 8th or 9th game in that series, but they have rebooted it? that game has more entries than all the Sony stuff you mentioned, and unlike games like Uncharted, has not improved with time and is on the decline. and the second Spiderman and Horizon aren't good, but the 4th Fable game is?
and when was the last time MS released two new IPs in the same year that scored mid to high 80s like SOny did this year with Dreams and Ghost?
it will never cease to amaze me how much credit MS get for speaking a good game and never delivering, and how much Sony has to do to get the same credit. like someone else said, this sounds like concern trolling
and when was the last time MS released two new IPs in the same year that scored mid to high 80s like SOny did this year with Dreams and Ghost?
it will never cease to amaze me how much credit MS get for speaking a good game and never delivering, and how much Sony has to do to get the same credit. like someone else said, this sounds like concern trolling
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Arkam
Member
I think I get what you are saying. Sony has recent success and (likely) planning to repeat said strategy. MS did not have recent success and is (likely) more willing to try new things in hope of finding success.
If that's what you meant, I get it. And would agree. IDK if that necessarily means less new games from Sony when that was big part of why they succeeded this gen. Probably safe to say that we will see some off the wall ideas from MS. Hopefully some are great.
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Vawn
Banned
PS4 had a ton of new IPs in ADDITION to all the established franchises:
Astrobot
Bloodborne
Days Gone
Death Stranding
Detroit: Become Human
Dreams
DriveClub
Ghost of Tsushima
Horizon
Knack
Resogun
Spider-Man
The Last Guardian
The Order 1886
Until Dawn
Why do you expect PS5 to be different when no other PlayStation console was? There is room for both sequels of established franchises and new IPs.
Astrobot
Bloodborne
Days Gone
Death Stranding
Detroit: Become Human
Dreams
DriveClub
Ghost of Tsushima
Horizon
Knack
Resogun
Spider-Man
The Last Guardian
The Order 1886
Until Dawn
Why do you expect PS5 to be different when no other PlayStation console was? There is room for both sequels of established franchises and new IPs.
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MarkMe2525
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Jim Ryan seems like he is straight from 2010 MS.
Thicc Enigma
Member
A new IP is a new IP. Your opinions on it are irrelevant based on the OP.
PlayerPurple
Member
You're making far too many assumptions, from claiming that Spider-Man is a "hurried sequel" or that the new Fable is "well-rested", to thinking that new IP's are always "innovative" while sequels aren't, to believing that a project being greenlit automatically means the game will even come out.
It's too early to know any of these things. Wait until we have results first.
It's too early to know any of these things. Wait until we have results first.
hyperbertha
Member
Whats with these trash threads today? Oh its the same guy never mind.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Returnal is a mid scale game from a 2nd party studio.
We saw no new IP from Japan Studio at the PS5 event, just Astros Playroom.
We did not see Arrowheads game.
Destruction All Stars looks to be a smaller to mid tier scale game from independent studios Lucid and Wushu.
Maybe the new secret San Diego studio isn't making another Uncharted game. But they did post a job listing calling for help with "The next chapter in cinematic story telling", which sounds pretty f*cking Uncharted to me. Btw, how many units did Uncharted 4 sell? 16+ million. So yeah, maybe it is a new Uncharted game.
And, for the 7th time in this very thread, I AGREE that current gen Sony funded creative, ambitious projects. But again, I'm talking from the point of the PS5, not of the PS4.
I like you. You're a good person. But...
Thicc Enigma
Member
But there hasn't been a shift. MS NEEDS to make new IPs, hence the acquisitions of studios. They can't survive with Halo, Gears and Forza for 4 generations considering the disaster this current one was for them in the hardware sales department.
SONY has been doing what they've always been doing.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Throw out bait and then try to scurry to take the high road? No need to be upset friendo!!
Wow we've totally never seen this NPC script before.
Wow we've totally never seen this NPC script before.
Hobbygaming
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It's Project Spark times 100. Better graphics, better gameplay, way more creations and better tools
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I will fight ignorance until my very last breath! When the mobs shout you down with vitrol and anger (as evidenced in this thread) it means you're doing some right.
To liberty!
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Won't acknowledge Returnal as a new AAA IP but lists Everwild
You're too obvious OP
You're too obvious OP
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
No, nuance is allowed. We're all adults here.
I don't actually care about new IP. I care about the funding of interesting, ambitious, creative projects. New IP seems to embody those things more than franchises.
So no, I don't think I will confirm to your binary view of this premise.
I will give Sony and Sucker Punch some credit for releasing a new IP. I will not give them credit for releasing a derivative open world game.
Stuart360
Member
Everwild is not a new IP?, i'm being serious, i dont know, i thought it was though.
Hobbygaming
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Just because MS is now creating new IPs doesn't mean Sony will stop or slowdown creating new IPsReturnal is a mid scale game from a 2nd party studio.
We saw no new IP from Japan Studio at the PS5 event, just Astros Playroom.
We did not see Arrowheads game.
Destruction All Stars looks to be a smaller to mid tier scale game from independent studios Lucid and Wushu.
Maybe the new secret San Diego studio isn't making another Uncharted game. But they did post a job listing calling for help with "The next chapter in cinematic story telling", which sounds pretty f*cking Uncharted to me. Btw, how many units did Uncharted 4 sell? 16+ million. So yeah, maybe it is a new Uncharted game.
And, for the 7th time in this very thread, I AGREE that current gen Sony funded creative, ambitious projects. But again, I'm talking from the point of the PS5, not of the PS4.
I like you. You're a good person. But...
nowhat
Member
...yet.Bluepoint is not first-party
Hobbygaming
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He's pointing out the double standard
Stuart360
Member
I'm sure that will be the general consensus on here, especially as i feel they will hold some games back for future shows. They did say there would be some kind of event every month from this show forward.