PoxyRadical
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Isn't it ranked by points, not WL (the right hand side)
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Isn't it ranked by points, not WL (the right hand side)
Hayabusa is my creation. I taught him so many Special Combo cards that I can't even remember. In my second season I was still in the Beginner League but I purchased both of the DLC practice teams. Almost every week where I never had a match I did a Practice match against them and taught Hayabusa the Special Combo I received.
But there is now a downside. Now I'm in the Advanced League and Hayabusa immediately turns from green circle to yellow circle after playing any match or doing any training. He's on the fringe of being burnt out.
These people who had near-perfect first seasons, did you keep restarting until you had players who could ... you know, actually play football?
I've started a new game now after my previous game turned into such a mess. First friendly, against a team in my league, I lost 5-0 and then 3-0 in my second match. Playing a 4-4-2 diamond, zone pushed up a little to give the attackers some space which makes no difference whatsoever seeing as my team can barely pass the ball around let alone get a shot.
Either something's clearly not right with both of my games that I've started or I'm clearly crap.
Edit: And then my next practice match is against a team in another league where I play defensively ... and I "won" 3-0 when it finished after the 45 mins. Game is so random.
I've started a new game now after my previous game turned into such a mess. First friendly, against a team in my league, I lost 5-0 and then 3-0 in my second match. Playing a 4-4-2 diamond, zone pushed up a little to give the attackers some space which makes no difference whatsoever seeing as my team can barely pass the ball around let alone get a shot.
Either something's clearly not right with both of my games that I've started or I'm clearly crap.
Edit: And then my next practice match is against a team in another league where I play defensively ... and I "won" 3-0 when it finished after the 45 mins. Game is so random.
LoveCake
Member
I kept losing games until my first proper league game & i won 0-5.
Lol!!!
In my first season of the Beginner's League I lost my first 5 games, then I started to understand and it clicked but by then it was too late for promotion.
I never restarted a new game save altogether, I just tried my second season in the Beginner League and I won 9 games and drew 1. Blitzed the entire league and got promotion, easily. Here are my tips:
- Focus on a Midfielder and your two main Forward (your Star Players). Train them every week. In the Beginner League they all have positive Potential (pointing right) even if their Potential arrow isn't full.
- When you don't have a match play a Practice Match against the best team available to you. I never skipped a week when there was no match on. Rest your star players during these Practice Matches. Practice Matches are only one half and don't affect your Manager Rating.
- In league matches I simply used default 4-4-2, didn't touch any zoning. First half of a match was Balanced Play. If I was winning comfortably then I switched to Always Attack, if not then Defend And Look For Chances.
I won the Beginner League and the Advanced League using these tactics with no trouble. Advanced League requires more juggling of your squad as you play 20 games in that season rather than 10.
Lastly, if you're still struggling then take some of our players from the Friend Market. My Hayabusa will light up your entire squad.
Bulbagarden
Member
Been doing a little testing over the last couple of days....
1. I'm almost certain now that the skills taught by card combos *only* apply to the character that combo is taught to. Tested this one primarily with some of the more noticeable skills like Goalie Runs Up and Deadly Slide, but I can't see any reason why it'd be any different with other skills. So if you want multiple characters to have the same skill, you're going to have to use the combo multiple times, and keep track of who has been taught what.
2. The AI seems to follow set patterns. If you play a match without doing any substitutions, then reset your game and replay the match with the exact same formation, players, etc, the game will play out the exact same way. Substitutions, changes in formation, and changes in tactics will however change how the game plays out from that point on.
1. I'm almost certain now that the skills taught by card combos *only* apply to the character that combo is taught to. Tested this one primarily with some of the more noticeable skills like Goalie Runs Up and Deadly Slide, but I can't see any reason why it'd be any different with other skills. So if you want multiple characters to have the same skill, you're going to have to use the combo multiple times, and keep track of who has been taught what.
2. The AI seems to follow set patterns. If you play a match without doing any substitutions, then reset your game and replay the match with the exact same formation, players, etc, the game will play out the exact same way. Substitutions, changes in formation, and changes in tactics will however change how the game plays out from that point on.
@1. This has been discovered about 2 pages ago using "long throw". But it's always nice to get further confirmation. btw: is deadly slide worth it?
maybe it's time we made a list of "good moves" every player should learn for all 4 positions. Maybe there is some kind of secret sauce- move I don't know about yet.
@2: are you sure about this? Sometimes I'm forced to restart when I waste my most valuable cards on shitty combos. And in rare cases I forgot to save between finishing the last game and my card experiments, so I had to replay those games again and they never ended up identical..
Bulbagarden
Member
Yeah, I saw your post a couple of pages ago, but wasn't sure if you'd done any additional experimentation there. Don't think anyone else had either, had they? Like you said, always good to have more confirmation.
Deadly slide is a bit dangerous. As the combo pic suggests, it's a studs up sliding tackle. There seems to be an increased risk of getting yellow cards from it, as well as an increased chance of injuring your opponent. When it works without a yellow, the opponent does seem to roll around on the ground for longer than they might otherwise.
Pretty sure, yes.
- Played the same match out 3 times with the same settings each time, and making sure to not make any substitutons. Each time, the match played out EXACTLY the same.
- Played the match a 4th time, this time playing an online game first, but I still got the same result.
- Tried again a further 2 times, making substitutions at the start of the 2nd half. The 2nd half then played out differently to how it played out in the first 4 games, however it played out in exactly the same fashion both times.
- Tried doing training with a player not in the squad before starting the match. Back to the original result.
- Tried doing training with a player on the bench, who I subbed in for 2nd half in the earlier test. When I subbed him in this time, I got a different 2nd half to what I got in that previous test (so stats DO matter!)
- Tried doing training with a player in the starting lineup, got a different game to any of the previous ones.
- Tried modifying the formation. Still used the same base preset formation I had been using before, but this time manually moved the position of 1 of my midfielders forward 1 square. This again changed how the game played out.
I think that test is pretty comprehensive, but I'd still encourage others to try it and see if they can replicate my results. If they can't be replicated....well, then I'd love to know what sort of RNG rut I got into that could cause that sequence of results to happen.
PoxyRadical
Neo Member
This makes sense, they must always use the same seed, therefore unless you change a stat somewhere the game will always play out the same.
Yeah I've bought the University team and the Alien team - well worth it considering the amount of cards you get.
I'm aware of that, but I won't buy dlc. Ever.
My team is broken. I know what's the problem but I don't know how to fix it. As I mentioned for the majority of the game we have the ball, we have the most shots at the goal but we never score.
I just had a game I lost 0:1. The opponent had 2 shots at my goal, I head over 20 at his... That's basically all games in a nutshell. I only seem to win if the opponent is weak or by brute force.
I really need to figure out how to fix this.
My B-Team seems to fare way better. Maybe I've overbred my mains with to many (useless?) skills.
somebody (with dlc packs teams
) need to write a list of usefull combos :7
My team is broken. I know what's the problem but I don't know how to fix it. As I mentioned for the majority of the game we have the ball, we have the most shots at the goal but we never score.
I just had a game I lost 0:1. The opponent had 2 shots at my goal, I head over 20 at his... That's basically all games in a nutshell. I only seem to win if the opponent is weak or by brute force.
I really need to figure out how to fix this.
My B-Team seems to fare way better. Maybe I've overbred my mains with to many (useless?) skills.
somebody (with dlc packs teams
) need to write a list of usefull combos :7wintermute0
Banned
This game actually looks cool, and I'm never a fan of sports games. Maybe it's the art style.
I'm aware of that, but I won't buy dlc. Ever.
My team is broken. I know what's the problem but I don't know how to fix it. As I mentioned for the majority of the game we have the ball, we have the most shots at the goal but we never score.
I just had a game I lost 0:1. The opponent had 2 shots at my goal, I head over 20 at his... That's basically all games in a nutshell. I only seem to win if the opponent is weak or by brute force.
I really need to figure out how to fix this.
My B-Team seems to fare way better. Maybe I've overbred my mains with to many (useless?) skills.
somebody (with dlc packs teams
What are your tactics/formation/style of play?
It's not immediately obvious but your B-team may actually turn out to be better than your A team - if your players have low potential but pointing right, they'll be better over time than players with full potential pointing right because they'll start decreasing potential earlier.
nah, my B-Team mostly consists of old players I don't use anymore because of their decreasing potential or players I never used/never trained. They are mostly D's and a few C's with max or decreasing potential.
I've added the friends code list (the one that sugarless collected) to the OP.
If there's anything else then I'll check the thread sporadically over the next day to see.
Not yet. Hopefully they'll do something before the World Cup starts since the Americas are a big football community.
If there's anything else then I'll check the thread sporadically over the next day to see.
Is there still no news for a NA release?
Not yet. Hopefully they'll do something before the World Cup starts since the Americas are a big football community.
Hopefully I can get enough out of my existing team to get promotion this coming season.
this is the worst part of the game... investing hours upon hours in a charakter without any return in the end :/
I was thinking, maybe I should just play with clones from the friend market and grow my own people as a B-Team on the side. But there are hardly enough cards to do that.
When players get negative potential, do they loose their abilities? or does it just get harder to improve them? because if someone is already in the A or S range for most stuff, wouldn't it be more efficient to just keep pushing him instead of starting anew?
No, i read in the manual that the abilities get worse with every year if you arrive at your lowest potential.
btw. Havent played in a week and never played an online match - but i saw on my ID page that i have like 20 games listed, seems like you dont even need to be online for other squads to play against you. Im done with the game for now, but still neat to see.
Evenbillybob
Neo Member
Making a cup upset feels good. My team absolutely destroyed a Pro League 1 team in the Federation Cup. Pretty good for at team in the Advanced League.
Also: Are players potential and ratings randomized when you start a new game? Or will a player, like my star Teixeira, always be a decent player?
Also: Are players potential and ratings randomized when you start a new game? Or will a player, like my star Teixeira, always be a decent player?
I think they're randomised - earlier I said one of my starting players Kuipers was crap but he was decent for someone else.
It sucks when your established stars start declining, but it does feel good unearthing new talent and developing them to be even better than your old players were.
Edit: Yesss, promotion to Pro League 1! The penalty shootout went much better this time.
My team is fucked. I qualified for Pro League 2 and over half of my team got negative Potential, their arrow facing the wrong way.
Because of this I haven't renewed the contract on about 7 players including 3 of my stars. I'm grabbing the best players I can from the Friend Market to try and give my team a chance of something. But it's now almost a totally different team from only a couple of seasons ago.
Because of this I haven't renewed the contract on about 7 players including 3 of my stars. I'm grabbing the best players I can from the Friend Market to try and give my team a chance of something. But it's now almost a totally different team from only a couple of seasons ago.
Ok, I've got 119/125 card combos now and I need some help getting the rest:
In the in-game card combo list, what is:
- The combo between Midfield Strike and Super Long Shot?
- The combo between Killer Pass and Last Gasp Pass?
- The combo between Compact Field and Eye Contact?
- The combo between Flowing Football and Rush Attack?
- The combo between FK Master and Last Trump?
- The combo between Acrobatics and Choo-Choo Train?
In the in-game card combo list, what is:
- The combo between Midfield Strike and Super Long Shot?
- The combo between Killer Pass and Last Gasp Pass?
- The combo between Compact Field and Eye Contact?
- The combo between Flowing Football and Rush Attack?
- The combo between FK Master and Last Trump?
- The combo between Acrobatics and Choo-Choo Train?
PoxyRadical
Neo Member
- The combo between Compact Field and Eye Contact? = Trick Play
Also players can still improve even with backwards potential, and really the players are worth keeping until potential has completely gone, then they will lose their skills very quickly.
yeah... I got the same problem. I don't know I should deal with this.... I've started hiring new people with weak positive potential but it will take time (and lots of cards...) to improve them. Meanwhile I'll just ride it out with my old guys I guess. It should take at least another season before there potential hits rock bottom.
btw: @ people on my friend list, could you renew you shared players? most stuff on there is unusable by now... negative potential near the bottom, bad stats and so on
between FK Master and Last Trump? - FK Legend
I've just re-shared my players on the Friend Market. But their Potential isn't as good as when I was sharing them last week. Their stats are slightly better though.
I've cleared out around a third of my team. I never renewed their contracts due to either massive drops & negative Potential or asking for more than double in Salary increases. I've replaced them with players from the Friend Market because if you have enough Friends then you can get some really good players with positive Potential and high stats who still only command 500 coins in Salary.
I attempted to buy a 4,500 coin Forward from the Pro League 1 but he wasn't interested in joining my team.
let's say if I were to buy ONE of the dlc teams, which one would be the best?
also I was thinking... Maybe we should initiate some kind of kooperation. there is noone everyone of us can create 11 top players by themselves. So maybe it would be best if everyone focused on a handful of people to share, and get the rest from others who do the same.
this would require some coordination though.
also I was thinking... Maybe we should initiate some kind of kooperation. there is noone everyone of us can create 11 top players by themselves. So maybe it would be best if everyone focused on a handful of people to share, and get the rest from others who do the same.
this would require some coordination though.
Probably one of the £2.29 teams (Nerds, Aliens or Clones) since it seems they give a variety of cards/combos, whereas the description of the others suggest they give out particular cards (e.g. the defensive team gives out attacking cards and vice versa).
I wouldn't say creating 11 top players is impossible, it'll just take some work, and you'll be trying to get the best players possible to win the Treble anyway.
We should all buy a 50 player in a different position and train them up until they are all A and S rank, share them and then in a few weeks we will have a Dream Team XI!
PoxyRadical
Neo Member
Your team's stats are great, my team somehow beat them 4-2. Ibanez is a beast with his shot.
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What are the cards for FK Legend? Can't find it in the spreadsheet.
It's my fifth Season and I'm in the Pro League 1. I only had to do the very first Beginner League Season twice, every other Season I managed to gain promotion (although I may not have outright won the league).
Yeah so a lot of my established players have some serious negative Potential. Do you guys still bother spending Training Cards on your players with negative Potential?
Its still only transfers from the Friend Market that offer any reasonable value for money. I bought who I thought was gonna be a Wonder Defender. He cost over 3000 coins and came from a foreign team. He had a mix of only D and A ratings. He was useless, He got a yellow dot after every game he played. I only kept him for one season.
Yeah so a lot of my established players have some serious negative Potential. Do you guys still bother spending Training Cards on your players with negative Potential?
Its still only transfers from the Friend Market that offer any reasonable value for money. I bought who I thought was gonna be a Wonder Defender. He cost over 3000 coins and came from a foreign team. He had a mix of only D and A ratings. He was useless, He got a yellow dot after every game he played. I only kept him for one season.
I don't - I keep the negative potential players as my first team (they've usually got the best stats/skills) and I train up the positive potential players instead.
You're making me feel bad about paying 9000 coins for my top striker with an S in Kicking and As/Bs in everything else.
At first I thought there is some kind of relation between salary and "hidden" potential. But then, while some of my people never missed a single game and had max potential for 3 seasons with a minuscule salary, others didn't even last a single one. The speed with which potential decreases also seems random.
I'm kinda lost... I don't know how to proceed... I can only push 2, maybe 3 people at the same time, but now EVERYONE has negative potential -_-.
I usually stop using cards when they turn negative, even though it would be better if I kept pushing them for another season. If their potential declines as slow as it rose, they should last me for another 3 seasons, presumably.
edit:
http://microsite.nintendo-europe.com/NPFC/deAT/team.php?team_code=BA5B75047
damn...
eudaemonic
Member
I wish I could join in the football club love.