Badlucktroll
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I agree, but it won’t be forever.
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Our desire is to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation - Phil Spencer
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mckmas8808
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Just like I thought earlier this morning. It started to feel like Jim had already spoken to Phil about Call of Duty. Which lead to Sony stating that didn't feel that COD was leaving their platform. Otherwise, why say it?
startfield like the others are exclusives they don't give a fuck about those 100m... if they have other interest because they are absolutely not scared of losing that money..for a log term plan.
they just gave 70b ...more than the entire value of playstation division for 4 or 5 games ...did you get it ? this is to build their strong platform ...I repeat .....their strong platform (which includes Xcloud consoles and their Windows operating system) . and unluckily they know that playstation is in part a impediment in this.
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Mister Wolf
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And what concessions does Sony have to make to remain "desirable"?
kyliethicc
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John Wick
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Exactly!
Otherwise he would of clearly stated that all future Cod's would be on PS platforms. Usual Mr Nice guy bullshit from double speak Phil.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
No one may get a 2023 COD anyhow
8BiTw0LF
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ManaByte
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Either. And privilege extended to Xbox GP players.
It'd work the same way PS and Xbox people can subscribe to things like Netflix on their console, with Sony getting a cut from GP sub sign-ups done through PlayStation.
No, at least not at launch. Probably a year or so later if not longer (or in some cases, ever).
Just streaming; physical releases would come a year or so later, depends on the game (also means some may not get a native release on PS ever).
Just modern 1P releases.
I mean you're using a PlayStation, ask Sony.
Also GP on PlayStation would naturally be cheaper as a result of this; $4.99/MO to $6.99/MO would be my guess. But this would first all require Microsoft to make xCloud its own app instead of being exclusively tied to GamePass Ultimate.
yurinka
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He didn't say that. We don't know that deals they have and until then. And he said CoD, not Warzone.
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ahahah imagine that. this would be the final troll
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Kerotan
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The next 3 cods when it's up to MS to decide if they're the biggest cunts in gaming or not.
So warzone support forever like Minecraft. Modern Warfare 2, black ops cold war 2 and sledgehanmers next game.
Dr Bass
Member
Why would 70b be more than the value of the playstation division when PS makes waaaay more revenue and profit than Activision?
I really don't think you know what you are talking about dude.
P.S. Zenimax/Bethesda doesn't make that much money, less than 500 million annually. They are a drop in the bucket for either Sony and MS and won't swing console divisions one way or the other. Starfield won't change that. I mean, I hope the game is bad ass, but I know it's not gonna change that.
ChuckeRearmed
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Maybe that too. Basically Halo was a king (with multiple Halo-killers), until another king appeared which was COD.
yeah you are the one who was saying the same about Bethesda ....about gamepass numbers ..about ma couldn't leave money on the table. basically you have a distorted vision of reality based on your infinite love for sony
yurinka
Member
Which law says you must tweet stuff that you are free to do or not once you completed an acquisition?
Sony entire company is valued around 135/145b ... playstation give the company around the 30% of the total income. do your math
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HundredThousandTrillion
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Oh ya. Look how great the Halo killing Killzone 2 is doing
Meanwhile Halo 4 “fell off” to record breaking sales and Halo 5 is set to do the same.
Microsoft knows the future of GamePass (content) is all streaming and no consoles. Every move their making right now is to sell GamePass subscriptions. Not consoles. Every PlayStation sold is possibly one less GamePass subscription sold.
They’ll take the hit now knowing that hardware will be a thing of the past soon.
That’s the game right now.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You need to hope they don't make a COD game for 2023 then.
lastmessiah
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Keep in mind, even if MS did for some reason allow all CoD titles to release on PS (not gonna happen though lol) it is still basically over for Sony when it comes to that Activision cash flow. They will lose a lot of their primary revenue sources and won't be able to dedicate as much financially to their first party. If they agreed to allow Game Pass it would turn out even worse for them. No matter what - MS bought AB for 70 BILLION DOLLARS. They own it, it is theirs. It's done.
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Starfield is a new game with nothing to lose
honestly i don't think that mainline COD will be again on ps. at least not if sony doesn't allow (accepting losing lots of money) gamepass on their console
8BiTw0LF
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I think GP on PS has been a conversation between MS and Sony since the Azure deal.
They might even have talked about hardware, so MS studios won't have a hard time developing games for PlayStation.
Both consoles are almost identical - we haven't seen that since the 68000 days.
Build like PC's to make it easier for developers.
They might even have talked about hardware, so MS studios won't have a hard time developing games for PlayStation.
Both consoles are almost identical - we haven't seen that since the 68000 days.
Build like PC's to make it easier for developers.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
rickybooby87
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All existing agreements to me mean whatever agreements Activision had for marketing, and any exclusive deals in the pipeline, and "Our desire to keep Call of duty on Playstation" is pretty cut and dry. It's staying, as long as the deal is favorable to Microsoft, so probably cross-play stuff as it relates to fees. Personally, I am fine either way, as I have an XSX too, but I imagine some green warriors, are PISSED at uncle Phil for this ultimate betrayal.
yurinka
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Yes, I said the same about Bethesda and Minecraft: MS said for both and AB (and now with this tweet specifically about CoD) that they would keep supporting these communities on the other platforms, that the acquisition wasn't going about removing games from the other platforms.
And as of now, they also released on PS all the games (Minecraft Dungeons and Quake Remastered), dlc and updates of the IPs they had on PS before the acquisition.
Starfield or Redfall aren't announced for PS, so maybe what they plan to do is to keep the pre-acquisition IPs multi and the post-acquisitions new IPs exclusive. They also mentioned that the exclusivity would be a case by case scenario, so maybe this is their plan.
If MS doesn't release a game on PS, means Sony won't get 30% of that money and MS won't get 70% of that money. Both leave money on the table, but MS more. Specially when in Xbox or PC pretty likely instead of paying that money the player would get it on GP, generating less revenue for them than with buying it.
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Craig of War
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Gamepass you know all roads leads to Gamepass
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
The deal isn't inked yet. They have to be very vague and unthreatening right now.
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8BiTw0LF
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
There will for sure be concessions past the contractual obligations.
Javthusiast
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"Desire"
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Dr Bass
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You think someone could buy the Playstation Brand for 68 billion dollars?
Look at Activision annual revenue ... Look at their historical quarterly growth:
Activision Blizzard, Inc Revenue 2010-2023 | ATVI
Activision Blizzard, Inc revenue from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses are subtracted to arrive...
www.macrotrends.net
Now look at Sony's annual revenue ... On top of that look at Sony's quarterly growth, and consider the difference in revenue to begin with:
Sony Revenue 2010-2023 | SONY
Sony annual/quarterly revenue history and growth rate from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses are...
www.macrotrends.net
You're probably looking at the market cap and going "30% of 140 billion is less than 68 billion!" ... but you're not considering the multiples put on software business valuations vs, things like TVs and Camcorders, which typically has less.
There is no way in hell Activision is a bigger and more important player in the game industry than Sony. They make far less revenue and profit. They are not a platform. There is no way the Playstation Brand sells for less than Activision.
This whole thing is hilarious. A week ago Activision were considered a black sheep embarrassment on this board. Now today some people think they are the biggest force in the industry. What in the ever loving heck is going on in some people's minds. I mean, I know what it is, but how can so much cognitive dissonance be happening?
Topher
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An ass game that is still extremely important.
MScarpa
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This hurts Sony more than MS. And MS can take losses. Sony cannot.
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kyliethicc
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Thats not an answer.
Microsoft wouldn't want to give Sony a cut.
Sony wouldn't agree to "no." Microsoft would insist on "no."
Sony and Microsoft would both have issues with this.
Sony might want old games too. Another friction point.
Sony would say no. Microsoft would disagree. Could also cause issues with controls.
Microsoft wouldn't want to offer such a low price.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It’s the top selling game nearly every year. I couldn’t care less about it but it is a massive bargaining chip for Ms.
Topher
Gold Member
You think Sony is on the verge of bankruptcy or something?
//DEVIL//
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“Our desire to have cod on PlayStation .....but PlayStation doesn’t want game pass. So shrugs .... keep playing warzone “
DJ12
Member
They will, Microsoft are no longer in competition with Sony, they want PlayStation fans money as much if not more than pc and xbox console owners.
MS should really just publish all there stuff on PlayStation, charge full price and just make it known they want gamepass on PlayStation to be a thing. The fanbase will soon tell Sony they want it.
If EA can do it, why cannot Microsoft have there sub service there too.
Having a gamepass sub everytime there's something on it I want to play (rarely if gamepass for pc is any indicator) would not stop me paying for what Sony offer.
My only issue will be if its more cost effective to pay for a year as I'm a suckered for a deal but would rarely play on it. (Assuming they won't port forza horizon to PlayStation)
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I'm talking about what made the industry what it is.games and cod is the most important (lucrative) game in the world. Hardware and platforms without those important games fail no matter who you are . ...look at what was happening at the start of the Xbox one gen.You think someone could buy the Playstation Brand for 68 billion dollars?
Look at Activision annual revenue ... Look at their historical quarterly growth:
Activision Blizzard, Inc Revenue 2010-2023 | ATVI
Activision Blizzard, Inc revenue from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses are subtracted to arrive...
Now look at Sony's annual revenue ... On top of that look at Sony's quarterly growth, and consider the difference in revenue to begin with:
Sony Revenue 2010-2023 | SONY
Sony annual/quarterly revenue history and growth rate from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses are...
You're probably looking at the market cap and going "30% of 140 billion is less than 68 billion!" ... but you're not considering the multiples put on software business valuations vs, things like TVs and Camcorders, which typically has less.
There is no way in hell Activision is a bigger and more important player in the game industry than Sony. They make far less revenue and profit. They are not a platform. There is no way the Playstation Brand sells for less than Activision.
This whole thing is hilarious. A week ago Activision were considered a black sheep embarrassment on this board. Now today some people think they are the biggest force in the industry. What in the ever loving heck is going on in some people's minds. I mean, I know what it is, but how can so much cognitive dissonance be happening?
About the value of the division sure that on a selling the division would take more but also you will understand alone that the division of a 140b company can't be valued higher than the entire company right ? ahahah
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ManaByte
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By this logic why doesn't Sony publish God of War, Horizon, and GT7 on the Xbox? I'm sure they want Xbox fans' money as much if not more than PC and PS5 owners. They don't because you don't publish your biggest games on your competitor's consoles. That's why Bethesda and Activision games are going to be exclusive.
yurinka
Member
Yes, I also know he never said that they will only keep Warzone there or that future CoD won't be released on PS. I know he said he wants to keep on PS CoD, which is a franchise and includes more games.
You know its the same franchise, right?
They also said on each acquisition that would continue supporting the communities of the franchises from Mojang, Zenimax and AB on the other consoles. And also said for each acquisition that it wasn't about removing games from the other platforms. And until now all the Mojang, Zenimax and AB IPs that were on PS before acquisition got all their games, dlc and updates on PS too.
And also said they would focus on 'first on' or 'best on' Xbox. And that for Zenimax they would decide exclusivities on a case by case scenario. And didn't announce Starfield or Redfall, which maybe means they'll focus their post acquisition new ips on being (timed or total) console exclusive and their pre-acquisition IPs on being multi. In a way that they get Xbox console exclusives so Xbox fans get happy while IPs that already were on PS continue on PS so PS fans get happy.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
People who say they will come to PlayStation if they allow game pass, I really doubt it.
Theres so many things that hinders it.
First, Sony are in the talks of making their own game pass equlivant. If that's true, they won't allow game pass. Sony has EA Play, but hasn't allowed game pass. Why's that?
My guess is money. You can buy games within game pass which gives you a discount. Who should get those money? Would Microsoft eat up additional money for that?
What if you buy a game through game pass, then you need the game pass client to download the game you purchased?
What about DLC? Would DLC from ps store work with a game from game pass?
Game pass is not just a subscription, it's also a store. Of course it could be released without the store part.
I know Spencer has teased Sony about game pass before, but that was before the Bethesda deal and now this.
The scenario has changed since back then. Microsoft came from being the "company that only makes Halo, Gears and Forza" to they own Call of Duty, Overwatch, Diablo, WoW and so on.
At this point, why would they care about future games on playstation?
Everyone's acting like Microsoft don't want exclusives, they will still come to PlayStation because they need their money back.
Why are Halo Infinite, Forza etc not on playstation? True, it has never been on playstation before, but why not add it now? Halo Master Chief collection was a great way to introduce PlayStation players to Halo.
So why aren't we seeing those games on playstation now?
Spencer wants them to be exclusives and he doesn't want to fuel fire into the communities just yet.
It's been what, 2 years since they bought Bethesda, and yet I still see people in denial in here thinking future Bethesda games will come to PlayStation.
"if you want to play call of duty, play on pc or buy an Xbox" sounds like a more logical point of view than saying "Hey, we release call of duty, you can play it on our platform, but hey if you want to play it anywhere else that's fine. Our platform is just a third party box" to their investors.
It would plummet Xbox shares.
An ass game that's the second most sold game on playstation in 2021, whereas the closest PlayStation exclusive spider man is ranked 5.
www.pushsquare.com
We are an echo chamber of dedicated gamers, where as Jacob gets fifa and Call of Duty from his soccer mom annualy are the most common gamer.
Theres so many things that hinders it.
First, Sony are in the talks of making their own game pass equlivant. If that's true, they won't allow game pass. Sony has EA Play, but hasn't allowed game pass. Why's that?
My guess is money. You can buy games within game pass which gives you a discount. Who should get those money? Would Microsoft eat up additional money for that?
What if you buy a game through game pass, then you need the game pass client to download the game you purchased?
What about DLC? Would DLC from ps store work with a game from game pass?
Game pass is not just a subscription, it's also a store. Of course it could be released without the store part.
I know Spencer has teased Sony about game pass before, but that was before the Bethesda deal and now this.
The scenario has changed since back then. Microsoft came from being the "company that only makes Halo, Gears and Forza" to they own Call of Duty, Overwatch, Diablo, WoW and so on.
At this point, why would they care about future games on playstation?
Everyone's acting like Microsoft don't want exclusives, they will still come to PlayStation because they need their money back.
Why are Halo Infinite, Forza etc not on playstation? True, it has never been on playstation before, but why not add it now? Halo Master Chief collection was a great way to introduce PlayStation players to Halo.
So why aren't we seeing those games on playstation now?
Spencer wants them to be exclusives and he doesn't want to fuel fire into the communities just yet.
It's been what, 2 years since they bought Bethesda, and yet I still see people in denial in here thinking future Bethesda games will come to PlayStation.
"if you want to play call of duty, play on pc or buy an Xbox" sounds like a more logical point of view than saying "Hey, we release call of duty, you can play it on our platform, but hey if you want to play it anywhere else that's fine. Our platform is just a third party box" to their investors.
It would plummet Xbox shares.
An ass game that's the second most sold game on playstation in 2021, whereas the closest PlayStation exclusive spider man is ranked 5.
PS Store Best-Selling Games of 2021 Revealed, Sports Games on Top
Call of Duty also popular
www.pushsquare.com
We are an echo chamber of dedicated gamers, where as Jacob gets fifa and Call of Duty from his soccer mom annualy are the most common gamer.
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