Stooky
Member
yeah and took xbox nearly 2 console generations and 70bill to get to this point. sony can skip a show to get their lineup situated
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Pretty much every game Xbox showed this showcase will be scheduled for release by 2025. So 18 months. Which is the acceptable window for showcases in most circles. Gears and PD might be the exceptions not hitting 2025.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
320K people went to Gamescom last year, compared to 270K in 2022. It's back on the upswing.
For reference, the last gamescom before the world shat its collective bed (2019) had 370k visitors.
This year will likely reach back those same numbers. It's a huge event and one of the biggest publishers and platform holders skipping it is definitely a noteworthy omission.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
People aren’t crusading for game conferences but e3 were historic displays and at the same time it was an organized event to display information.
Varteras
Gold Member
I'm aware. I said we'll have to see. It might, it might not. But again, Sony and Nintendo don't need it. It's big for Europeans who make it there. Asia and NA don't care. Overall, it won't change anything for Nintendo or Sony to not show up. Well, won't change anything for them. For the event, well, that could be a downer for attendees...
FeralEcho
Member
That doesn't mean Sony is allowed to be complacent or treat their fans with silence constantly just because Xbox constantly messes everything up. That's on Xbox not Sony,Sony shouldn't get to use that as an excuse for their lackluster showing.
Varteras
Gold Member
They've released plenty of games so far. They just announced several more. Showcase season isn't even over yet and we've already written off Sony having any kind of show, despite a refresh coming? Sony missed having a showcase one time and now people pretend they always do that? Let's grow up a little.
Dry your eyes,
ArtHands
. I know your favorite box ain't doing so well but you'll make it.
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aliadiere25
Member
This isn't surprising. They're likely doing a big showcase in September where they'll announce the PS5 Pro with new games.
rhodesianshepard
Banned
Right now for 2025, Xbox only has Fable and South of Midnight as their exclusive releases. Maybe Clockwork Revolutions makes 2025, but that isn't a big AAA game, neither is South of Midnight. It's not some crazy schedule of banger after banger for Xbox. It's spread out across 2.5 years(maybe more)
Only time will tell when they release.
I think you’re in denial if you don’t think that showcase was a banger.
FeralEcho
Member
Last year's showcase was shit too...this is not a one time thing which is the problem here.
I own all 3 consoles so I'm not out of games to play but compared to the Sony during PS3/PS4 era,which I was the biggest fan of,this Sony is incredibly dissapointing.
rhodesianshepard
Banned
It was a great showcase, i never denied that. I thought it was just dumb comparing Xbox showcase to Playstation's State of Play. They were attempting to accomplish two very different things
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Stooky
Member
treat the fans with silence? they just did a show wtf are you talking about? you might have liked they show but it happened. damn xbox has 1 good show… the xbox games aren’t even released yet….wow
Context usually doesn’t matter for these things. They are viewed on what was shown. After 2-3 years of bad-decent showcases from Sony they no longer get the benefit of the doubt. If they come out with a banger, myself and many others will celebrate and be thrilled. But until then they deserve all the negative attention they are getting and deserve.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Yeah...the way they just gave up this year...we're only getting new IPs (Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Concord), sequels (FFVII Rebirth, Helldivers 2), one remaster (TLOU2), one remake (Until Dawn), Astrobot getting its first main entry without VR (and one of the best games shown this past month), Horizon getting its Lego game as well.
I honestly don't know how Sony will survive by releasing just a lots of great games like this...they should just be worried about conferences and giving us "tHe mEgAtOnS" with no definite release dates
That's why i have my PS5...to watch trailers of games releasing in 3 / 5 years...not to play them.
rhodesianshepard
Banned
Yeah, Xbox put out a great showcase last year, way better than Sony, but weirdly the only game Xbox has released this entire year Is Hellblade 2. Maybe putting on a great showcase isn't indicative how good the platform is?
Varteras
Gold Member
A bad showcase is still a showcase. Again, we've got people pretending that Sony always just doesn't have one like 2022. The 2023 showcase was rough. No doubt. But you know what? That show featured Helldivers 2 at the start. No one knew then how big that game was going to be. Had they had any idea then, that would have been a big deal. It also featured the trailer for The Final Shape, which has turned out to be a banger expansion that people were writing off after Lightfall. Myself included. Could Marathon end up in the same hindsight? Might Concord (please no)? Fairgames (kill me)? It's quite possible. In fact, it is entirely possible that we look back at that showcase and think, "Well damn. A lot of those games were a much bigger deal than I thought then". The constant CG trailers and no gameplay was the real sin from Sony.
Not liking what they showed is not them being silent. They have absolutely been telling us what's coming next. They just did a State of Play, which was never intended to be a showcase level event. Yet despite people knowing that, they still went into it with that expectation. That's on them. We still got a pleasantly surprising announcement of Astro Bot, gameplay, and it releasing this year. Fuck's sake, people are already pegging it as a big GOTY contender. We got gameplay of Concord (barf) and a release date for this year. Then a LEGO Horizon announcement, with gameplay, and a release date of this year. They're not quiet. You just don't like what they've shown. And that's fine if none of that is your cup of tea. But, that's not the same as them doing nothing. It's only problematic to you because what they've shown hasn't catered to what you like and you're not getting what you want exactly when you want it. But it's not an objective reality for everyone and we know they have plenty of studios making games that, sooner or later, we'll see.
Honestly, if you really do play all these various platforms but you're this shook over Sony not doing a showcase when you expect it, that's kinda weird. Let's also keep in mind that showcase hype doesn't equal subsequent badass years for games from that platform holder. Ask anyone not blinded by bias how true that statement is.
ZehDon
Member
Sony already had their show. It was not well received. And just like last year, folks immediately moved on to "Sony's actually got a secret second show - and that show will be the good one!". I imagine we'll get a short PS5 Pro event, which will basically just show Spider-Man 2 and TLOU2 running at 4k60 before ending with a release date. And that'll be it for PlayStation for 2024.
Sony won. They own the home console space. They don't need to get their first party dressed up to dazzle any more. They don't need to win audiences over on their hardware. They don't need to put in the effort, because at this point all they can do is hurt themselves. They just need to stick to their "two games a year" plan, keep their mouths shout, and let their consoles sell themselves.
Varteras
Gold Member
Bookmarking this. If Sony has a showcase, you owe me sexual favors. If they don't,
DeepEnigma
owes you sexual favors.Common man. Their second half is avowed, Microsoft flight simulator 2024, starfield DLC expansion, Indiana jones and COD(if you count that). Pretty stacked. If they were smart they would delay Indy or avowed to January/feb.
ZehDon
Member
Sony already had a showcase. It was received about as well as last year's.Bookmarking this. If Sony has a showcase, you owe me sexual favors. If they don't,
Varteras
Gold Member
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
And Age of Mythology.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'm as sure about it as when the legendary Kaz Hirai said
"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does!!"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bookmarking this. If Sony has a showcase, you owe me sexual favors. If they don't,
ProtoByte
Gold Member
There's small and then there's insignificant. Gravity Rush 2 brought in 10.7 million. 10.7 million. Way, way less than 400k sales.
It's just not worth it when your teams could be doing something that matters. The game industry can't act like it's 2010 anymore. There's too much useless crap out. Less at higher impact. Shawn Layden might be on podcasts talking in direct contradiction to his actions during his last years at PlayStation, but he did both say and act accordingly to that.
Souls wasn't what it was because of Japan Studio dude. Unless Sony bought FromSoftware, they were never going to lock down Miyazaki output.
How many? 10? Honest question.
Last Guardian was a mid decade long dev disaster. It might not be nice to hear, but it's the truth. Most of the love for Japan Studio, like Tango Gameworks, is posthumous.
So were FromSoft???
Anything marginally Sony XDev adjacent in Japan for a game of that scale would've probably had a Japan Studios logo on it.
So a company with 30-40 year old IP aimed at juveniles, a company that has molded itself in the image of western publishers and is living on the back of Remakes and ports with a few actually new games sprinkled in, and a company that isn't even popping off like that.
I didn't say anything about anyone going broke. But if you think the Japan dev scene is the ceiling of what anyone wants to achieve in this market, you're stuck in '03.
Fredrik
Member
They’ve released 10(?) first party games this gen plus published a bunch of big 3rd party timed exclusives too.
When is next gen expected? 2027? 2028?
At this point, if Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Housemarque would release new titles within 1-2 years it means that they would have nothing except high resolution/framerate remasters for half next generation.
I don’t know, is that great?
They could also keep cooking and have a smashing launch period for PS6 instead.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
True, but those days are done.
They tried with Last Guardian, Gravity Rush and many more and it just continued to be a money pit. They are not bad games by any means, but this is still a business. I can't even say that is east or west thing, its not like making a western game under Sony is a 100% sure fire way to continue to make games with them, we've seen many teams close down in the west, we've seen many western IP not get sequels.
I think the success of titles like Persona, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts and many more is what led Sony to just shift directions and focus on successful titles and teams
Put it like this, your taste for 3rd party games from the east is why Sony doesn't do those first party titles in Japan anymore to the same degree. ie you are buying a Playstation regardless to play some of those IP, thus they have little reason to dedicate studios to make the genre when they are getting majority sales in that area anyway.
So titles like God Of War, Horizon, The Last Of Us, Spiderman, Ghost Of Tsushima (solid evidence mind you that Sony seems to have nothing against Japan itself) If Ghost Of Tsushima was created by Japan Studio instead of Sucker Punch, they'd 100% keep them around.
Until their Japan teams make some 20 million type hit, it will always been a bit of house of cards there until they can create some massive hit. Its why Astro Boy is even getting sequels and they are hiring more for that team.
They sold units, they got support.
To even get it to be like the old days, Sony would likely need to buy Square to solidify themselves or something in that JRPG spot (or Sega, but more so Square)
but I digress lol (we funa talk about JRPGS for life lol)
hemo memo
Member
New leadership so people thought there will be better decisions. I guess not.
RickMasters
Member
This is why they need some smaller AA teams. This focus on Big AAA games that Cost hundreds of millions and years to make but never meet their ‘expected’ profit forcasts is part of their problem.
At some point it’s gonna set in with people that the PlayStation company of the PS2 era is gone. Yet Sony are more reliant on Sony than ever for profits in Playstation. They need to figure this out.
RickMasters
Member
I’d say that change came about around the PS4. Grabbing a COD deal…. The focus on western games, specifically first and third person shooters. The focus on monetising their online strategy ( remember when online was free on PS?) the closure of theo own Japanese studios, but rather smartly doubling down on Japanese third party to fill that gap while they spend their own money on western developed games.
Nothing wrong with any of that…. But it certainly marked a changes in their approach to the console business. The PS4 was more like an Xbox 360 than a PlayStation. It was very western. But Playstation is still Japanese so they wil what’s have Japanese support almost by default.
ProtoByte
Gold Member
Actually, no. PlayStation fanatics were the most skeptical and reactionary to Sony's live service strategy. It also wasn't them that spent an entire gen thinly veiling console wars jealously in appeals that Sony needed to do something other than "the cinematic movie game 3rd person template" that shows its hypocritical nature whenever a Hellblade 2 comes up.
And no amount of whining on Neogaf was going to stop Sony from attempting the live service sphere. Not while Genshin impact makes more in profit from animu skins than the top games do in sales.
3. Astro, Death Stranding, Wolverine. I would even count Venom. We all know it's coming.
10+ where? I count 8 including Clockwork. And that's easy to do when you outline the next 3-4 years of your schedule after having bought 2 publishers, and as many mid-size studios with a shred of credibility as there were in the industry at the time.
nial
Gold Member
This is the single worst take I have ever read in my life.
I don't even know which Japanese studio Sony closed in the PS4 era.
RickMasters
Member
You’re entitled to your opinion.
… doesn’t make mine wrong just because you disagree though. Where’s team ICO these days? It’s just PD, for GT, team adobi and that robot game. What happened to the rest of them But that’s the worst take right? And they say Xbox guys were defensive? 
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FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
I don't give a shit. They'll have their showcase when they decide to have it.
It's not like I'm lacking games to play on my PS5.
I don't play showcases, I play games, and out of the three Sony has been consistently feeding me with great games since the year started.
I don't understand the constant whining I see when Sony says they aren't showing up with a showcase. I love getting hyped for showcases but at the end of the day releasing games matters more, and Sony isn't lacking in that department this year at all. I know Sony's first party is working on stuff, it's a bit annoying they are taking their sweet time but I think most of us know they will be bangers whenever Sony decides to finally reveal them. It's not like Sony is known for releasing trash or missing the mark like MS has been doing for years now. MS had one great showcase after years which I loved but they still have to deliver the games as shown before they get any credit from me.
It's not like I'm lacking games to play on my PS5.
I don't play showcases, I play games, and out of the three Sony has been consistently feeding me with great games since the year started.
I don't understand the constant whining I see when Sony says they aren't showing up with a showcase. I love getting hyped for showcases but at the end of the day releasing games matters more, and Sony isn't lacking in that department this year at all. I know Sony's first party is working on stuff, it's a bit annoying they are taking their sweet time but I think most of us know they will be bangers whenever Sony decides to finally reveal them. It's not like Sony is known for releasing trash or missing the mark like MS has been doing for years now. MS had one great showcase after years which I loved but they still have to deliver the games as shown before they get any credit from me.
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nial
Gold Member
I quoted what I thought was the worst take, your other points are simply dumb.You’re entitled to your opinion.
Imagine bringing up Team Ico when Fumito Ueda hasn't been working at SCE since... 2011.
Plus, Team Asobi (as its own studio) wasn't a thing until after PS5 was released.
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RickMasters
Member
This is a weird take….
Nintendo and Xbox had showcases for games they having coming out this year and next. That’s the whole point of a showcase…..what exactly are you saying other than Sony don’t need to have a showcase because they have nothing besides Afro it to talk about this year….
What are you even saying?
ChorizoPicozo
Gold Member
thismeinteil
Member
Yes, let's ignore everything released exclusively on PS this year, or past years, and pump up big shows because that's what MS focuses on. "This is going to be our best year" emptily promised every year and with no delivery. Now, even if it is their best year, it'll be PS's, too, since most of their games are now going to be multiplat.
Of course, you know isn't ignoring the PS exclusive output and MS's lack of it? Actual gamers. Hence why sales are like they are, now. PS5 slightly done from its best year ever and Xbox continuing to drop after one of its worst. But you keep that astroturfing alive. It'll pay off one day, I'm sure.
Of course, you know isn't ignoring the PS exclusive output and MS's lack of it? Actual gamers. Hence why sales are like they are, now. PS5 slightly done from its best year ever and Xbox continuing to drop after one of its worst. But you keep that astroturfing alive. It'll pay off one day, I'm sure.
RickMasters
Member
Ok so I guess I m not playing avowed this year and Indy this year? I’m not playing fable in 2025? you guys are nuts.
But seeing gifs you make you feel better ok …..
StereoVsn
Member
I dislike quite a bit this stupid “Direct” crap especially with major hardware releases
. It’s all so boring and bland.
RickMasters
Member
All this….“We don’t play showcases”…. Is that the new one yea? Talk about salt….
Embearded
Member
If i had to choose between paying others to participate in their show or do my own in the form of videos and have the participants pay me, i wonder which one i would choose....
It's been years since Sony started doing their own thing and one by one they turn down the established shows and expos. People saying they have nothing to show need a reality check.
It's been years since Sony started doing their own thing and one by one they turn down the established shows and expos. People saying they have nothing to show need a reality check.
nial
Gold Member
I don't know what's Afro, but besides it? Astro Bot, Until Dawn, Lego Horizon, and Concord, despite of how much we dislike it. But hey, they already published bigger stuff in H1, what did MS have besides fuckin' Hellblade 2?
