OverHeat
« generous god »
They got they work cut out look at amd still trying to catch up…still buying a ps5 pro Sony’s bro btwSony will?
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PS5 Pro will be a glimpse into the future of gaming hardware much like PS4 Pro was
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Sure they can, but there won't be a PS5 game built around RT (or any game anytime soon, really). They're added after, and often removed in the performance modes.
Quantum Break uses upscaling, you ignoramus.
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Zathalus
Member
The conversation is about Ray-tracing and ML based upscaling. Not checkerboard rendering or upscaling in general.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Always happens.
We can't just like and discuss multiple gaming platforms.
It's always gotta be a vs thing and everyone picks a side.
DAHGAMING
Gold Member
Haha were alive and kicking, most powerfull console ever and future proof with amazing machine learning and amazing high quality games like Redfall and the new 2hr epic coming soon Hellblade 2.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sony has always had master engineers. I'm sure they will manage
It's still upscaling no matter how we spin it.
Schmendrick
Member
How many years after NVIDIA went all in on RT and ML frame reconstruction? Has the OP slept under a rock or is this just willful ignorance to incite discussion?
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Did they? Please do tell and come correct with it.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I really think something is wrong with them lol
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Before 2016? Not on PC.
GPU driven rendering (via compute) has been an ongoing trend for years. Eg. see: https://advances.realtimerendering....siggraph2015_combined_final_footer_220dpi.pdf
It's culminating in UE5 and Nanite where the rasterization is being done in a compute shader (for small triangles). But these trends don't require the PS5 Pro and will be seen on the PS5, just at a lower resolution/quality level.
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Zathalus
Member
I never claimed otherwise. You will note my post and the post I was responding to was specifically about ML based upscalers, and not upscaling in general.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Quantum Break came out before the PS4 Pro and uses upscaling. Watch_Dogs 2 came right around the time of the PS4 Pro and also uses upscaling. Dozens upon dozens of games used upscaling before the Pro was a thing.
How has this got anything to do with PCMR? The premise of your thread is incorrect unless you meant that the PS5 Pro will give us a glimpse into the future of consoles.
Wait, coming from two guys who are known to come into PC threads just to shit on it? Do you want me to dig up your post history so we can all laugh? Let's not because it won't be good for either of you and will derail the thread.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
No, no. KZ Shadowfall and especially MGS4 released in 2077.
Are you here just to troll again?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'll read the original post in this thread when the OP quotes himself in a semi-related thread four years from now.
You think he's gonna wait 4 years ?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Just remembered the Xbox 360 was using hardware to upscale to target resolution. Do that count?
forum.beyond3d.com
List of Rendering Resolutions
The other thread was getting to big for its own good, and as has been requested often enough, an easy-to-find compilation of discovered resolutions is needed. I or other mods may update this thread as time goes. Here is how resolutions can be determined...
forum.beyond3d.com
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Killer8
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Resolution has been mattering less and less for a while now. The new reconstruction techniques and particularly the 'better than native' AI methods such as DLSS (and likely PSSR) are making native res a thing of the past. And even in terms of native 4K resolutions, the TV sizes and the typical viewing distances required to appreciate the difference puts a limit on its usefulness. I mentioned in another thread that i'd expect 4K to be an end-game resolution and any attempt to push for 8K - both in gaming and home cinema - will be a fools errand (unless you have a 200 inch TV, sit a meter from the screen and or have the eyes of a hawk - all of which 99% of people do not have). With the resolution arms race over, and improvements being made to ray tracing performance, hopefully more of the processing power can now go back into frame-rates. People perhaps expected too much from this gen when it came to "60fps as standard", but I think in the next couple of gens we might actually get it. In a relatively short time we'll reach a point where it's the budget that is dictating the visuals, not the technology.
Ratchet and Clank plus Spider-Man was built with RT in mind,RT is doable on current gen consoles.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Never said current-gen consoles couldn't do RT, but the talk is about games being built around RT, not games where it's tacked on. Spider-Man 2 and Rift Apart having RT reflections doesn't make them built around RT. Games built around RT are titles such as Metro Exodus RT or Portal RTX.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Half if not the majority of posts in this PlayStation discussion thread are from PCMR people downplaying it. You have some nerve to ask such a question.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I only see some with dirty peasant syndrome.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Come on now, no need to stoop to that level.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Your better then that
don’t let them get you ban
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It's the plain truth. When the arguments end (some with a lvl of nonsense almost incredible) the "PCMR bullshit" comes.Dont sink to there level. Your better then that
OverHeat
« generous god »
Just stop it…
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Who's dirty and who got the dirty peasant syndrome?
I think we can safely assume you don't own a PS5 and don't plan on buying a Pro or any PlayStation that uses the tech discussed in this thread.
Don't matter what you choose to see anyway as the posts in here speak for themselves.
Aren't you supposed to be in threads crying about aim assist or something?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Keep trolling.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I really don't want to quote each post and compare the numbers.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I would avoid answering the questions about the name calling if I was you as well.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Dude do you even have a top of the line PC to shit post in PC thread…
Before you ask
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Isn't that the Zotac RTX 4090? I love its design.Dude do you even have a top of the line PC to shit post in PC thread…
Before you ask
And you sure live dangerously placing your PS5 right on the edge of your table...or did you move it to take this photo?
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OverHeat
« generous god »
Yes love the design too. Moved the PS5 just for the pic.
BacklashWave534
Member
Forget the PS5 Pro. The PS7 won't make the 4090 obsolete.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
No you mean PC. Just like the PS4 gen, and the PS3 gen and the PS2 gen... And the PS1 gen with the advent of the GPU and fuck even the SNES gen with Doom launching in 1993.
JimboJones
Member
Temporal AA has been used as far back as Halo Rech and quantum break even had reconstruction.
Sony was smart about the dedicated hardware for checkerboard rendering but it was a dead end. Checkerboard rendering kinda sucks compared to was DLSS and even some TAA solutions we have now.
Sony was smart about the dedicated hardware for checkerboard rendering but it was a dead end. Checkerboard rendering kinda sucks compared to was DLSS and even some TAA solutions we have now.
The best use for 8K will probably be glasses-free 3D but that craze died out also so we will only see that when the tech just becomes so cheap that it just becomes something to do lol.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Why you going to go there man smh.Dude do you even have a top of the line PC to shit post in PC thread…
Before you ask
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Why you going to go there man smh.
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Vroadstar
Member
Why you going to go there man smh.
Imtjnotu
Member
lol he aint coming back from this one
OverHeat
« generous god »
Then why do you have to be so toxic…you have the hardware, good you can talk some smack now I will give you that
just use common sense and play where the game is at its best like me
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Wait so before the PS4 Pro?
I thought it was progenitor of Checkerboarding and other upscaling techniques......this thread is so confusing.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Cross-gen should work well next gen across PS5-PS5 Pro-PS6.
The PS5 low end machine can be a low res (1080-1440p) 30fps box without ray tracing.
The Pro mid machine can be a 1440p+ box with PSSR upscaling, mostly 30fps with some ray tracing.
The PS6 high end machine can be 1440-2160p with PSSR, with 30/60fps modes for all games with high end ray tracing capability.
The PS5 low end machine can be a low res (1080-1440p) 30fps box without ray tracing.
The Pro mid machine can be a 1440p+ box with PSSR upscaling, mostly 30fps with some ray tracing.
The PS6 high end machine can be 1440-2160p with PSSR, with 30/60fps modes for all games with high end ray tracing capability.
Kenpachii
Member
DLSS changed the game, it retrained the quality and enhanced it in certain points. From DLSS 2.0 and onwards upscaling became the standard. Then for AI, Nvidia is on the forefront of it.
PSSR is just going to be another attempt at DLSS and a late one at that for the simple reason that AMD is just failing massively with there FSR implementation and checkboard rendering is just not competing with something like AI upscaling.
All this shit didn't had to be done, if sony moved to nvidia instead of hugging to AMD with the PS5, it would have had DLSS already for ages, hell even nintendo will have AI / DLSS going for it with the switch 2 which is going to release soonish.
PS5 pro is not a glimps of the future, its basically trying to catch up to market standards as we don't even know if it's going to compete with DLSS to start with or if its going to be another bad attempt at it.
PSSR is just going to be another attempt at DLSS and a late one at that for the simple reason that AMD is just failing massively with there FSR implementation and checkboard rendering is just not competing with something like AI upscaling.
All this shit didn't had to be done, if sony moved to nvidia instead of hugging to AMD with the PS5, it would have had DLSS already for ages, hell even nintendo will have AI / DLSS going for it with the switch 2 which is going to release soonish.
PS5 pro is not a glimps of the future, its basically trying to catch up to market standards as we don't even know if it's going to compete with DLSS to start with or if its going to be another bad attempt at it.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
nVIDIA had no comprehensive solution for a high end console, it is no secret both MS and Sony avoided nVIDIA after working with them for a generation. AMD has allowed them to provide input and enhance the designs since they were willing to do semi-custom designs and it is thanks to their flexibility we got Slim consoles / redesigns and Pro consoles at all.
It kind of feels like you are wink wink nudge nudge-ing your way to say it would be another bad attempt
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sony is working with them and if anyone can change the narrative it's them.
HOPEFULLY competition is good as is high resolution gaming, everyone wins.
DLSS works so well because it's machine learning (ML) upscaling algorithm.
So its models can be trained automatically on hundreds or thousands of games.
FSR is NOT doing any kind of machine learning, they're using human rules instead.
Not only does this take way more effort to generate models, but the resulting quality is also much lower.
Checkerboard is also not ML. It's similar to FSR in that sense.
PSSR is similar to DLSS that it's also machine learning based.
I just read that it requires ~180MB from the PSML library (notice the ML) and ~64MB from the game.
So its models can be trained automatically on hundreds or thousands of games.
FSR is NOT doing any kind of machine learning, they're using human rules instead.
Not only does this take way more effort to generate models, but the resulting quality is also much lower.
Checkerboard is also not ML. It's similar to FSR in that sense.
PSSR is similar to DLSS that it's also machine learning based.
I just read that it requires ~180MB from the PSML library (notice the ML) and ~64MB from the game.