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[Hohenheim]

First person games is PC only and always for me, but strange that they're doing this for the console version. That being said, wasn't it some survey recently that confirmed that a huge majority of gamers turn on quality mode on their console games anyway? Probably not the enthusiasts that go to forums like this though. I would never chose 4k over high fps.

 

[Zuzu]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Oh boy. this is not something to be mad/a storm in aa tiny glass of water.

BUT....console warz/Fan Warrios are going to make this, the Biggest Problem .

 

[cormack12]

Hmm, not happy with that

 

[nemiroff]

Once studios starts to ship UE5 titles 30/40 fps is going to be completely cemented for most console titles for the rest of the generation. I wonder if even a mid-gen refresh will be enough to break through.

 

[Thebonehead]

4k 30fps is the way I want to play.

I've found the 'cinematic' gameplay aficionado

 

[GeoramA]

Not even on the Series X? Yeesh...

 

[dem]

Btw, prepare for a 30fps quality mode only on Starfield as well console folks.

This is a certainty.

No way they are hitting 60fps with Starfield. Not a fucking chance.

The reveal was dropping frames everywhere. Starfield is going to be a technical disaster.

 

[Black_Stride]

4K30?

The only mode?
I think people would be less upset if they just set up a 1440p60 mode only and brought in the 4K30 mode later.

Its a UE4 title, so they can likely use TSR or TAAU to get up to ~FauxK60.

 

[Topher]

Defending games that are clearly not good enough doesn't get us good games my man, if anything it just reinforces the path they are on. It's a negative feedback loop.

Well, I haven't been defending a game I thought was "clearly not good enough". Simply defending a game that I saw as having the potential to be a good game. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I'm not going to just go along with the crowd either.

But this.....this has robbed me of what faith I had. This is simply incompetent.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Oh boy. this is not something to be mad/a storm in aa tiny glass of water.

BUT....console warz/Fan Warrios are going to make this, the Biggest Problem .

As someone who plays on all platforms and does not see myself as being a warrior I have to say this is a pretty big fucking deal

Should have had a 60 fps mode even if it meant more delays

 

[Kvally]

I've found the 'cinematic' gameplay aficionado

Add me to the list.

 

[Luipadre]

LMAO This game just keeps on giving. Imagine being xbox console exclusive, being delayed many times and launching with a 30 fps mode only while looking like a mid last gen title. Im glad i can play starfield on my new PC because it will be 30 fps too on consoles with probably drops knowing how incompetent bethesda is.

 

[Fredrik]

The only FPS game that is acceptable at those FPS is Perfect Dark 64.

Nah it’s just nostalgia. Go play it, it’s awful, and not even close to 30fps.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Once studios starts to ship UE5 titles 30/40 fps is going to be completely cemented for most console titles for the rest of the generation. I wonder if even a mid-gen refresh will be enough to break through.

Well I certainly won’t be keen on any future Xbox mid gen offering after this console . They have barely showcased the Series X. I should of got a PC instead to be honest.

 

[rofif]

30fps is fine if done well. Accept the console gaming people. It will make your lives easier. Or get a pc.

 

[Horseganador]

Bad graphics for only next gen, lousy AI, 30 launch frames, permanent connection, denuvo, etc... you can't do it that badly even if you want to.

 

[AlexxKidd]

Leaked footage of Xbox players enjoying a silky smooth game of Redfall.

 

[Fredrik]

This is a certainty.

No way they are hitting 60fps with starfall. Not a fucking chance.

The reveal was dropping frames everywhere. Starfield is going to be a technical disaster.

Yeah, fortunately it was always a PC game for me right from the start. I still worry that they’ll mess up the PC version somehow, in interviews it sounds like Xbox is the lead platform.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

30fps is fine if done well. Accept the console gaming people. It will make your lives easier. Or get a pc.

I have a PC and was going to play it on PC but this is not the answer and this game should be torched over this

 

[Bo_Hazem]

This game can't even push its ass. Just a reminder, this is performance 60fps with ray tracing I've taken on my PS5. Gameplay not photo mode using the share button:

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Good thing Arkane knows where their priorities are:

Holy shit, never saw that before, how the hell can people be so up their own ass I will never understand, it's literally "hur dur, we're so much better than everyone else"...

Anyway, regarding the 30 fps thing, a user mentioned Destiny being a PS3/X360 game which needed a platform like the XSX and PS5 to be able to run at 60fps.
Here's a question though, games like The Division 2 (XONE/PS4 game) run at 60fps on the XSX/PS5, an online co-op game with no worse graphics than Redfall (I'd argue that it even looks better ffs taking also into account that it's a previous-gen title), so, what's Arkane excuse ? Honest question (i swear).

We could argue about Gotham Knights being CPU bound since it's also an online co-op game but, what's holding Arkane here since, again, there's 60fps online co-op games on the XSX/PS5 ?

Edit : also, MS's own Halo infinite and Forza Horizon feature online co-op and are both 60fps

 

[Crispy Gamer]

No excuses they could've at least given us a 60fps option on Series X hell just looking at the visuals I was fully expecting a vrr option to push 90-120 frames I'll just wait until the update to play I guess smh Microsoft desperately needs the Coalition to release a showcase on Series X we're 3 years in and the Gears update is still the best looking software on the system

 

[Darsxx82]

Arkane has always been disappointing when it comes to offering outstanding games in terms of technology and optimization, but I thought that having to focus on fewer platforms would have helped improve that background... Redfall to say that they have not improved that aspect .

Let's hope the 60fps patch doesn't drag on too long.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

And after this game releases we will see headlines like - "X and Y employee leaves Arkane Studios."

The studio already had those headlines a couple years ago, unfortunately everyone was too busy excusing why the losses don't matter.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Why is there no 1080p mode. 1080p/60fps should have been pretty easy to do

Microsoft mandate I suppose. That would make the Series S worse. They have a 1440p promise to maintain.

 

[Topher]

As someone who plays on all platforms and does not see myself as being a warrior I have to say this is a pretty big fucking deal

Should have had a 60 fps mode even if it meant more delays

It comes across as cutting corners. So now it has me wondering where else corners were cut. Just really disappointing that they could not see that this is a legit reason for a delay.

 

[JaksGhost]

This seems like an odd omission for launch. Their Lyon studio was able to get Deathloop out with 3 modes (Performance 60fps, Quality 60fps, and Ray-Tracing 30fps) and even included a 120fps mode later on when VRR was introduced on the PS5.

 

[Cornbread78]

Starfield is going to be 30 FPS isnt it?

Don't expect anything more..

30fps with dips to 15 during combat..

 

[ChiefDada]

BUT....console warz/Fan Warrios are going to make this, the Biggest Problem .

C'mon you know this is not a console war issue. When was the last time you saw a FPS with a 30fps mode only??? That's so ridiculous. People of all platform persuasions would call it out regardless of which platform was the perpetrator. I don't play FPS partly because I'm susceptible to severe motion sickness. RE Village made me whoozy and that was running at 45fps! I can only imagine how dreadful 30fps must be.

 

[Cornbread78]

It comes across as cutting corners. So now it has me wondering where else corners were cut. Just really disappointing that they could not see that this is a legit reason for a delay.

But, but, but....

The user stat matrix will shiw people loved it so much, they played it again once the 60fps patch dropped..

 

[SlimySnake]

This game can't even push its ass. Just a reminder, this is performance 60fps with ray tracing I've taken on my PS5. Gameplay not photo mode using the share button:

There is no coop here. Its not open world either. Completely different game.

Just look at what GG said about doing coop. Horizon was supposed to be a coop game but the hit to visuals was so massive that they completely cut coop from the game to achieve their vision.

Just look at what they are doing with the coop version of horizon. it looks like fortnite trash because again, there is a performance hit.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

As someone who plays on all platforms and does not see myself as being a warrior I have to say this is a pretty big fucking deal

Should have had a 60 fps mode even if it meant more delays

I dont see you as a console warrior. AND I think criticisms is totally valid. (if done reasonably and Informed)

But let's be real here.....the vast majority is going to use this "thing" in a hyperbolic catastrophic way for Bethesda/Xbox.

but yeah. Technically speaking this game should have 60FPS mode. it has become kind of a standard now.

 

[Dutchy]

redfall more like redfail lol right guys

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It comes across as cutting corners. So now it has me wondering where else corners were cut. Just really disappointing that they could not see that this is a legit reason for a delay.

Especially after what I felt was a very lackluster boss fight from IGN

Game is in a lot of trouble imo and I had high hopes for it

 

[Crispy Gamer]

This game can't even push its ass. Just a reminder, this is performance 60fps with ray tracing I taken on my PS5, gameplay not photo mode using the share button:

Still the best next-gen only showcase I thought for sure 2 years later i'd look back at these visuals and attribute it being an early gen release for not looking as good as the current releases but nope here I am sitting here wondering why other studios haven't surpassed it.

 

[Luipadre]

Oh and you can bet your ass that 30 fps will be framepacing hell so it will feel like 20.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Still the best next-gen only showcase I thought for sure 2 years later i'd look back at these visuals and attribute it being an early gen release for not looking as good as the current releases but nope here I am sitting here wondering why other studios haven't surpassed it.

Coding and developing excellence isn't a common thing. Here are also some screenshots I made in performance RT on Miles Morales:

Spoiler

 

[Represent.]

No it's not.

It would be "good" if the game was pushing the graphic like hellbalde 2 is gonna do, not when the game looks barely better than a destiny 2.

The game should have a 120hz mode, if anything.

It’s inarguably one of the ugliest games of the generation. It looks hilariously bad.

However I’m glad they didn’t make it look even worse than it needed to by doubling the frames.

If it looks this bad in quality mode, I cannot imagine how ugly it would be in performance mode.

They are incompetent technically through and through.

But I’m Glad they prioritized quality over frames at the end of the day.

The patch will come down the road for those who care about framerate

 

[nemiroff]

Wait, I just noticed the text in the tweet, holy fuck, lol

So there will be 60fps mode for the game..,!!! So all of this because the title led people astray..

 

[Topher]

Especially after what I felt was a very lackluster boss fight from IGN

Game is in a lot of trouble imo and I had high hopes for it

As did I, even after the IGN boss fight. But this is a big red flag, imo, as to the state of the game along with the management's insistence that the game must be released as scheduled regardless.

 

[cormack12]

This is a certainty.

No chance. Starfield will be 27fps.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

C'mon you know this is not a console war issue. When was the last time you saw a FPS with a 30fps mode only??? That's so ridiculous. People of all platform persuasions would call it out regardless of which platform was the perpetrator. I don't play FPS partly because I'm susceptible to severe motion sickness. RE Village made me whoozy and that was running at 45fps! I can only imagine how dreadful 30fps must be.

oh yeah. as I said to HeisenbergFX4. this is a big issue (technically speaking) it sucks and should be criticized.

This is a worthwhile conversation to have:

Why Bethesda/Xbox cannot deliver this mode?

But you just see how this is going to become such a shitshow for Xbox/Bethesda's PR.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

What the fuck? LOL

 

[FUBARx89]

What have Arkane actually been doing?

Boggles the mind they're part of MS who own the Coalition who apparently specialise in the unreal engine and Arkane still can't sort their shit out to get a lackluster looking game out day 1 at 60fps.

I really hope iD have been dragged in to help with the shooting mechanics as Arkane can't do that either, but looking at the gameplay it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's happening!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

There is no coop here. Its not open world either. Completely different game.

Just look at what GG said about doing coop. Horizon was supposed to be a coop game but the hit to visuals was so massive that they completely cut coop from the game to achieve their vision.

Just look at what they are doing with the coop version of horizon. it looks like fortnite trash because again, there is a performance hit.

Far Cry 4 had coop on PS4 and looks way better than this shit. Shallow excuse.

 

[Bernardougf]

Shills unite ! Time to praise the 30 fps

 

[nemiroff]

OP, I fixed the thread title for you:

Redfall is launching on Xbox consoles with Quality mode only (4K30FPS) - 60fps mode will be patched in later​

But you probably left it out because it wouldn't generate as much traffic.

 

[GHG]

Well, I haven't been defending a game I thought was "clearly not good enough". Simply defending a game that I saw as having the potential to be a good game. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I'm not going to just go along with the crowd either.

But this.....this has robbed me of what faith I had. This is simply incompetent.

But you could say every game has potential. There are very few games that release without any redeeming features that if developed properly could have turned an average/bad game into a good one.

I tend to try and only judge games once they are finished because games development is dynamic, but sometimes something is so obvious that the rot needs to be stopped and feedback needs to be given.

In this case hopefully there is an avenue for then to delay the game and improve things where necessary (which is a lot of places).