Punished Miku
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Redfall | Review Thread
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GHG
Member
Rent free and butthurt.
Sorry games like Redfall are what you're forced to enjoy.
Draxon Gamer
Banned
That's why I only named GHG and not you lol.
Alebrije
Member
GHG
Member
People should have standards. It's a basic principle of life and I'm not going to be a bystander watching people excuse substandard crap which only has the net effect of dragging standards down across the whole industry.
When companies get excused and rewarded for this kind of work it sends the wrong signal - "Redfall did it, they got away with it and still made money so who cares".
Some of us were here to try and push back on DLC, microtransactions, lootboxes, crappy PC ports, etc and look at how all of that has turned out.
When a small proportion of people live in mud huts and shit on the street it makes the whole neighbourhood smell.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
then they were refunded.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
GHG
Member
Me: monologue about the industry at large
You: "ThE cOnSoLe WaR mAnIfEsTo"
Get a grip man.
Bridges
Member
Two things can be true at once:
1. The game is not as bad as the internet is making it out to be
2. The game is really bad
It's an optics thing. The game is being grilled a lot harder than it would be had it not been coming from a first party, but really, there's nothing unfair about that. They should be held to a higher standard. You'd never see Nintendo or Sony release a "AAA" game in this state. Even Bethesda doesn't typically release games this bad, closest comparison I have is Wolfenstein: Youngblood but that game is better than this.
That all being said, I do think some people are a little too delighted to see how poorly this has been received.
1. The game is not as bad as the internet is making it out to be
2. The game is really bad
It's an optics thing. The game is being grilled a lot harder than it would be had it not been coming from a first party, but really, there's nothing unfair about that. They should be held to a higher standard. You'd never see Nintendo or Sony release a "AAA" game in this state. Even Bethesda doesn't typically release games this bad, closest comparison I have is Wolfenstein: Youngblood but that game is better than this.
That all being said, I do think some people are a little too delighted to see how poorly this has been received.
Mr Moose
Member
ZoukGalaxy
Member
It took me a while to notice that's not "Avengers"
That sum up so well those kind of people, mediocre is the new standard
Ps5ProFoSho
Member
WHOOPSIES
A few kids in highchool could have made a better game with that amount of money
A few kids in highchool could have made a better game with that amount of money
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Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
The comments on that article...ThE coMmENtssSSs !
It's like, everyone is brainwashed - or worse yet, everyone is trying to cope by scoring an imaginary "win" for their plastic box of choice, it's REALLY something else, I can't even...
digoutyoursoul
Member
digoutyoursoul
Member
They want positivity but underneath it all they create the least positive environment because nothing or no one has aspirations to be better.
It wouldn’t surprise me if their is some underhanded Astroturfing as a counter offensive to the negativity.
If things were genuinely great they wouldn’t be behaving how they are. It’s all there for everyone to see.
Yoboman
Member
Your math is wrong you need to multiply 3 million by 70, which means that Redfall has sold 210 million copies
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
G, I get what you're trying to say but...let's use Death Stranding in this case, a game which had :
- State of the art graphics
- Excellent OST
- Interesting new mechanics/tried new things
- Bonkers story which also tried some new things/strayed from normal video game cliches
- Had ACTUAL gameplay and not only "walking" like stealth and action bits plus, ginormous boss-battles.
...and what happened ? the usual hate circle jerking with people spouting "Kojima is a hack ! " / "Kojima lost it ! " / "60 Eurodollars Walking simulator LOL " / " Enjoy your 50 hour walking sim Sony ponies LMFAO !1!1 " ad infinitum...
Even if you dared to reply "have you actually played the fucking game ? " ('cause 99% were drawing their "opinion" from YouTube videos) you were met with replies in the vein of "LOL why/how are you even enjoying it?" it's like...you weren't even allowed by these people to actually enjoy the game - the same "low standards" excuse was used by them, like, it was impossible for them to even comprehend that the game was enjoyable and/or that you actually were having fun with it...
Just the other day, a "warrior" in this very forum used DS in a "warZ list" as to "demonstrate" how shit some Sony releases have been in the past also
What I'm trying to say is...some times there's assholes and trolls, sometimes circle jerking and hate brigades are inevitable when it comes to "shit game of the month" (most recently Forspoken and Redfall) and sometimes is all a matter of perspective.
You can enjoy mediocre games , telling others though that they should or shouldn't like something is no bueno though, just saying bro...
Cheers
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GHG
Member
G, I get what you're trying to say but...let's use Death Stranding in this case, a game which had :
- State of the art graphics
- Excellent OST
- Interesting new mechanics/tried new things
- Bonkers story which also tried some new things/strayed from normal video game cliches
- Had ACTUAL gameplay and not only "walking" like stealth and action bits plus, ginormous boss-battles.
...and what happened ? the usual hate circle jerking with people spouting "Kojima is a hack ! " / "Kojima lost it ! " / "60 Eurodollars Walking simulator LOL " / " Enjoy your 50 hour walking sim Sony ponies LMFAO !1!1 " ad infinitum...
Even if you dared to reply "have you actually played the fucking game ? " ('cause 99% were drawing their "opinion" from YouTube videos) you were met with replies in the vein of "LOL why/how are you even enjoying it?" it's like...you weren't even allowed by these people to actually enjoy the game - the same "low standards" excuse was used by them, like, it was impossible for them to even comprehend that the game was enjoyable and/or that you actually were having fun with it...
Just the other day, a "warrior" in this very forum used DS in a "warZ list" as to "demonstrate" how shit some Sony releases have been in the past also
What I'm trying to say is...some times there's assholes and trolls, sometimes circle jerking and hate brigades are inevitable when it comes to "shit game of the month" (most recently Forspoken and Redfall) and sometimes is all a matter of perspective.
You can enjoy mediocre games , telling others though that they should or shouldn't like something is no bueno though, just saying bro...
Cheers
Incredible false equivalence.
Death Stranding is an expertly crafted game and it comes down to a matter of taste and personal preference in terms of whether an individual wll enjoy the experience or not. In some areas it's best in class in terms of its execution and does a lot of things that very few other games have even attempted.
This game (Redfall) is a half-baked, poorly executed, buggy unfinished mess. There is nothing to be gained in defending it, nothing about this game does anything to drive the medium forward.
This is about standards. The standards we set for ourselves and as a result the standards we set for the people who create and sell games to us. There is no reason for them to have to be lowered to this degree.
The Alien
Banned
Lots of good ol' fashioned and tired console warring and even worse - listening to 'games journalists' opinions (gasp).
However, unlike the vast majority of people trashing the game, I've actually played the game (XSX). While it will never be confused with a great game - maybe not even a good game - i had some fun with it while playing with friends and passing the time.
I see pretentious comments on here about having standards and what not. My standard for gaming: fun. I'm not overly concerned with the fidelity and physics of a blade of grass. Back in my day, we played video games barefoot in the snow while walking uphil...and we liked it!
However, unlike the vast majority of people trashing the game, I've actually played the game (XSX). While it will never be confused with a great game - maybe not even a good game - i had some fun with it while playing with friends and passing the time.
I see pretentious comments on here about having standards and what not. My standard for gaming: fun. I'm not overly concerned with the fidelity and physics of a blade of grass. Back in my day, we played video games barefoot in the snow while walking uphil...and we liked it!
Jose92
[Membe
You do what makes you happy.
I think other than the typical console warriors, people are upset with exclusive games being released on xbox. And xbox fans are taking their frustrations on Redfall. Nonetheless Redfall needed atleast 1 more in development before being ready for release.
FYI one of my favourite games of all time was Prey, amazing game. So redfall to me is a double whammy.
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Captain Toad
Banned
This tired joke doesn't really work here.
simpatico
Member
I voted 50-59 in the poll. But that's only because I know the /10 outlets really only use a 5-10 scale. In reality the game is like 30 or 40 in the state that it's in. Aside from being horridly designed, the game doesn't even function on the most basic elements. You will see the AI bug out at least once per session. You won't use matchmaking because why would you put matchmaking in a fundamentally co-op game? Once the bad designs are functional it will be worth it's true score of 50-59.
Monad
Member
Oh, I think it absolutely does.
You can have fun playing the worst game ever, even by virtue of its own mediocrity, and that doesn't make you a passive destroyer of the video game industry.
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Ocean Dweller
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On episode 095 of the Last of Nintendogs,
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
More like Pricefall am I right?
More like Redfail yeah?
More like Redfail yeah?
Oppoi
Member
At this point they're begging to boast piracy numbers.
Thirty7ven
Banned
The game having a high player count so close to launch doesn’t mean anything in terms of commercial success for MS. People have already paid for GP, they aren’t getting any more money.
Weird angle for the article.
Yoboman
Member
Nokia all over again
demigod
Member
PC is the same but XBS score is lower again.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Latest metacritic scores.
What do I win? I'll accept a succesor to Prey as payment.
Balducci30
Member
I can’t really get into it - granted I haven’t tried very much. But this whole “it’s better than people give it credit for” mm I dunno. Maybe? But the technical issues make it a chore from the get go - there’s nothing getting me involved enough to keep playing it to see if it’s actually got anything of worth. Real shame - preys one of my favorite games
Bridges
Member
It's only better than it gets credit for in that it isn't some completely unplayable piece of garbage like a lot are making it out to be. It's still not really worth playing.
If you've exhausted all other options and are looking for a co-op experience with some friends, yeah, they'res some fun to be had. Some of that fun is clowning on the game, some of it is from combat which has its moments.
If you can't feel you can get into it then don't force it, there's nothing new it'll give you later to change your mind aside from slightly more interesting locales.
I have completed all the side missions and am on the second to last story mission, should complete the game tomorrow.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Updates have started coming. Am hearing texture streaming bug has reduced quiet a bit.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Here's my impressions playing for maybe 40 minutes on Series X.
Content
- It did a 1.4 gb update before I could play. Not sure what it did
- Took Jacob
- Finished the starting ferry port
- Finished fire station
- Roamed around town
- Died fighting 4 vampires jumping down from a house and quit
Graphics
- Seems to be high res
- 30 fps seems pretty stable, menu screen seems 60 fps I think
- Looks like something from Xbox One/PS4 launch, but higher res
- It's got a nice bold colour palette to it, but the textures are overall bland and basic. Its not trying to be ultra realistic. You get some decent fake lighting or whatever in the starting ferry scene with wet rocks
- Character models have weird proportions (eye and hands). One of the characters you can choose Remi has giant eyes. Check it out when you start the game and choose a character
- Generally bad looking NPCs and dead bodies
- Tons of weird pop in, twitchy and flashing lighting and shadows
- Handful of cut scenes I saw are what people say... montage style. No narration, no captions. So for finishing the fire station mission, you get maybe 15 slides that tell you they fixed things up and is now your starting hub of NPCs
Sound
- Seemed pretty good. A lot of creepy ambiance and voice acting seems good enough
Gameplay
- If you hate Destiny style "move the mouse cursor around menu UI" playing on console, well thats what this game has
- Lots of pop up info boxes on the right you can skip by holding down B
- Has a very Fallout 4 30 fps kind of feel to it. Serviceable, but not great when you pan the camera fast
- Mess around with FOV slider as it feels shit when you start the game. You are so close to everything
- The game has enough items, gear, reading notes etc... to pick up. They even highlight it white or yellow to help you out. It's so clunky sometimes you got to be really perfect hovering over it to activate it.... first aid, ammo etc... But then when you kill enemies and they drop ammo and first aid, it's auto-pick up?
- I didn't get AI issues fighting random bandits and some vamps (bandits will sometimes take cover, vamps seem to beeline and jump you fast), but fighting the basement vamp in the fire station, it looks like it might have canned zones of pathfinding. I fought it a bit and ran upstairs. It didn't seem to follow me. I went back downstairs and it was back in location it started in
Not the worst game in the world, but really average from this very brief playing. If you like a budget feeling shooter/open world that has a city to explore and arent looking for modern polish, visuals and gameplay you might get some cheap thrills out of it.
Kind of like instead of buying the latest PC game, you find an oldie from 10-15 years ago on GOG or Steam that you can kill some time for $19.99. Definitely from what I played it is not worth playing at full price.
Content
- It did a 1.4 gb update before I could play. Not sure what it did
- Took Jacob
- Finished the starting ferry port
- Finished fire station
- Roamed around town
- Died fighting 4 vampires jumping down from a house and quit
Graphics
- Seems to be high res
- 30 fps seems pretty stable, menu screen seems 60 fps I think
- Looks like something from Xbox One/PS4 launch, but higher res
- It's got a nice bold colour palette to it, but the textures are overall bland and basic. Its not trying to be ultra realistic. You get some decent fake lighting or whatever in the starting ferry scene with wet rocks
- Character models have weird proportions (eye and hands). One of the characters you can choose Remi has giant eyes. Check it out when you start the game and choose a character
- Generally bad looking NPCs and dead bodies
- Tons of weird pop in, twitchy and flashing lighting and shadows
- Handful of cut scenes I saw are what people say... montage style. No narration, no captions. So for finishing the fire station mission, you get maybe 15 slides that tell you they fixed things up and is now your starting hub of NPCs
Sound
- Seemed pretty good. A lot of creepy ambiance and voice acting seems good enough
Gameplay
- If you hate Destiny style "move the mouse cursor around menu UI" playing on console, well thats what this game has
- Lots of pop up info boxes on the right you can skip by holding down B
- Has a very Fallout 4 30 fps kind of feel to it. Serviceable, but not great when you pan the camera fast
- Mess around with FOV slider as it feels shit when you start the game. You are so close to everything
- The game has enough items, gear, reading notes etc... to pick up. They even highlight it white or yellow to help you out. It's so clunky sometimes you got to be really perfect hovering over it to activate it.... first aid, ammo etc... But then when you kill enemies and they drop ammo and first aid, it's auto-pick up?
- I didn't get AI issues fighting random bandits and some vamps (bandits will sometimes take cover, vamps seem to beeline and jump you fast), but fighting the basement vamp in the fire station, it looks like it might have canned zones of pathfinding. I fought it a bit and ran upstairs. It didn't seem to follow me. I went back downstairs and it was back in location it started in
Not the worst game in the world, but really average from this very brief playing. If you like a budget feeling shooter/open world that has a city to explore and arent looking for modern polish, visuals and gameplay you might get some cheap thrills out of it.
Kind of like instead of buying the latest PC game, you find an oldie from 10-15 years ago on GOG or Steam that you can kill some time for $19.99. Definitely from what I played it is not worth playing at full price.
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Nothing wrong with what he said. You are simping for every game which is released on gamepass, trash-tier included. It's not like you have low standards, you don't have any standards at all.
skit_data
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
How can a person be this delusional... he must be paid to do good PR.. O cant believe is just crazyness
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Which game did I "simp" for that crossed the line besides Redfall?
And what
GHG
posted is embarrassing and fucking psycho. Yes let's bully anyone that rates games he doesn't like a 6/10 so that we can save the industry. Delusions of grandeur. Totally ridiculous.
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Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
Regarding the "false equivalence" bit, I have to disagree since "those" people kept telling us the same thing when it came to Death stranding even if it was a good, functioning product/piece of media - that's why I specifically used this game in this case.
Maybe a case of "wrong perspective" and /or trolling on "their" part but...it is what it is.
Agreed on the other things you said 100%, having said that though, that rings true for most things in this life and in this case, media (generally speaking).
There are no standards anymore and the bar has been set incredibly low when you have "consumers" actually liking shitty band/pop star/rapper/trapper flavour of the month, infinite garbage in the form of DC/Marvel/Star wars movies, trashy TV shows etc etc.
Again, it is what it is brother, it's not like you or I can actually change people's minds, you know ?
Cheers
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
You belong on twitter along with senju... you both are drinking from the same fountain... whatever that maybe, moneyhat or crazyness ... or both ... ignore it is
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I've never once used Twitter. You are so fragile you can't handle someone with a different opinion than you. Just put me on ignore and leave me alone then if you're too close minded to talk about video games like a functioning human.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
Bernard, I love ya man but...you're being incredibly harsh in this case, c'mon man...
You/we can disagree with another user's opinion but Miku is not of those guys/gals (I don't think so at least).
Let's just try to not be assholes brother it's all I'm saying...
PS: The Senjutsu guy is on a whole different level/planet, he's being paid 100% and if he's not, well, he should be seeing a doctor.
PS2 : Just by the comments in here, this game has has brought the worst out of everybody, well played MS/Arkane !
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GHG
Member
Which game did I "simp" for that crossed the line besides Redfall?
And what
What's psycho is excusing a $70 first party AAA game releasing in this state.
Like I said, there's a difference between people having debates over what comes down to a matter of taste and a product not being good on a functional level. Redfall is akin to a car manufacturer releasing a car with square wheels and then fanboys of said car company saying it's ok because at least the car has an engine and will start. Well it's all good and well that the engine starts, but for the fact that the car is useless for it's intended purpose - it's functionally useless and is not going anywhere, everyone who purchases it has wasted their money. On the other hand death stranding is a car with round wheels, it drives excellently, executes on it's intended purpose 100% but it might have controversial styling, and that's it.
It's important to be able to differentiate between these two different types of scenario.
Edit: let me close by saying Death Stranding evoked such strong opinions because it was so different. Redfall has evoked such strong opinions because it is so shit.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah I don't think anybody on this forum is at the same level as senjutsu...At least nobody that I haven't blocked.
And you're right
Punished Miku
is clearly not on the same level, he has his clear bias and I don't think that's a secret but he's pretty civil during disagrements.This might be the greatest navel gazing post I've ever seen. Like I knew this thread was going to be full of nonsense with it being 71 pages for a game this forum was supposedly not interested in, but boy oh boy does this single post deliver.
. . . always a battlefield for the vigilant (console) warrior I guess.