GarthVaderUK
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Same problem in the UK, the masses of ignorant, selfish, gullible boomers made Brexit a reality.
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Reuters: US to change course on Climate Change (pulling out of Paris Agreement)
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actually the US isn't really a true democracy because of the electoral college, remember Clinton won the popular vote
DeviantBoi
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Realistically, are there any sanctions that European countries can place on the US that could actually hurt the US?
Going against climate change is something that affects the whole world. Other developed countries can't just sit idly by while the US works against what they're trying to accomplish.
Going against climate change is something that affects the whole world. Other developed countries can't just sit idly by while the US works against what they're trying to accomplish.
PdotMichael
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What happened with the once proud Elon Musk defence force on GAF?
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America has a responsibilty to oust this man and his cronies. Their actions are affecting that rest of the world.
My Father was like that (but Canadian). He's right leaning, but he kept saying that nothing would be different. The weird part is, I really didn't think Trump would have to rely so heavily on executive orders. I assumed the other branches would be more than helpful at exacting his plan. I guess they really are being supportive by not saying shit.
probably disappointed as I am, I didn't know he supported Trump
His supporters bear responsibility.The Republican Party and all others who built him deserve responsibility.
So the president can enact an EO immediately, that takes a long time to overturn. And there's apparently no limit to how many EOs the president can enact. That seems like a system ripe for abuse.
The EU is our most important trading partner.
LegendofJoe
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I guess it's still way too early to hear any public rumblings, but I hope leaders of other countries are quietly laying the groundwork to implement economic sanctions on the US.
And by leaders I mean the EU, China, India, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and whatever other countries in South America, Africa, and Asia that want to join in.
And by leaders I mean the EU, China, India, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and whatever other countries in South America, Africa, and Asia that want to join in.
Funky Papa
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Musk is basically saying that he wants to remain close to Trump's side because he reacts very adversely to rejection and he prefers to quietly steer him if he has the chance.
That said, his support towards Tillerson for SoS because he's such a great businessman is just mindblowing, if somewhat expected.
That said, his support towards Tillerson for SoS because he's such a great businessman is just mindblowing, if somewhat expected.
Literally this time.
This is the most prophetic meme of all time.
Lord Frieza
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Nah, I think I'm going to blame the people who voted for this, and the people they voted in doing this, thanks. Getting so fucking tired of this shit displacing blame to those who aren't currently doing the thing in question.
The Last Wizard
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Their base won't be able to read in a few decades so history won't matter.
The upside is that the rest of the world will keep moving forward with Paris, as are many cities and states in the U.S.
It's bizarre to me that Trump, whose whole platform is all about winning and being #1 in the world against everyone else, is perfectly fine with China taking the lead in a fast-growing segment of the energy industry. This is the argument that Democrats need to be putting forth from now on: why are Donald Trump and the Republican Party perfectly fine with buying Chinese-made solar panels, rather than building our own?
Call me crazy but I think the blame chiefly belongs to Trump and the people who supported him.
It's bizarre to me that Trump, whose whole platform is all about winning and being #1 in the world against everyone else, is perfectly fine with China taking the lead in a fast-growing segment of the energy industry. This is the argument that Democrats need to be putting forth from now on: why are Donald Trump and the Republican Party perfectly fine with buying Chinese-made solar panels, rather than building our own?
Call me crazy but I think the blame chiefly belongs to Trump and the people who supported him.
Trump can rely on executive orders because we've normalized the process during the last 16 years. Now, each side just assumes the other will continue to promulgate EOs from their "side." The increasing size of the federal government, and Congress' increasing delegation of authority to executive agencies only exacerbates the issue.
Byakuya769
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He doesn't. I imagine he's trying (and failing/wasting his time), to influence Trump as much as possible on this stuff.
IamDodongo
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"That's why I totally did the brave and most correct thing by attacking other liberals and refusing to vote. Yep."
How is Elon Musk kissing his ass? He is in two of the Trump's councils, where he can influence Trump to make better decisions. Would you rather have that Trump's councils would be full of fossil fuel hacks instead of people like Musk? None of those councils would be better of if Musk was replaced with someone else.
Based on what?
Right, he only supports Tillerson.
People generally don't weight climate change very hard when voting. People are dumb.
dskillzhtown
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So much time is spent on placing blame. I don't care about blame right now, I care about what do we do now.
Dubbedinenglish
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Where are all the Trumpets saying Ivanka would moderate him on climate change?
Indeed, so that needs to change.
I think Musk and others corporate executives trying to "advise" Trump are wasting their time. Why would he listen? Trump's understanding of economics is clearly tenuous at best.
Even if Trump's actions somehow would boost the US economy for short term, it will be ruined in long term more likely.
That said, i'm not surprised. It is pretty clear most people with money stop seeing anything but money and even that only in short term.
br0ken_shad0w
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Nah I'll blame the America voters and non-voters because Satan himself has a good chance of winning as long as he has a (R) next to his name.
Based on pulling out of this, not really. The Paris Agreement was kind of a Gentleman's Agreement.
That's probably not going to happen, but could you even imagine the tension it would add if say the EU was negotiating with China in prep for just that.
He isn't a Trump supporter, he spoke out against Trump and in favor of Hillary during the campaign. But Trump also called on him to be one of his economic advisers, and as long as Musk has his ear, he's going to take advantage of it. The Times reported last week that at Trump's meeting with a bunch of CEOs, Musk broached the idea of a carbon tax with Trump and he didn't dismiss it.
Trump seems to be a fan of Musk, and as long as that rapport exists, Musk would be foolish not to use it if it means pulling Trump in the direction of solar, EVs, and a possible carbon tax.
Most execs are libertarians at heart, if not outright conservatives. So to them, Trump is not the worse option out there. They might mask it by justifying their presence as a way to work and advise but they don't have any major issues with him until it impacts their bottom line.
thecouncil
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phew. finally getting back at the planet for thinking it deserved a handout.
ok, but I don't think it is working though with the US pulling out of the Paris Agreement
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Exactly. It really is all about making as much money as they can for themselves while they're still alive, and fuck everyone who wants / needs to live in the world once they're gone. They don't even think about what they're leaving behind for their children and their ancestors.
Our leaders should be stewards of the environment, but they all seem to be sociopaths. This should be a serious crime tantamount to mass murder.
djplaeskool
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Either it collapses, or another major player (eg China) steps up and leads.
The problem with the US leaving is it's likely to cause other nations to exit in the name of competitive self-destruction.
America not helping changes the formula to the point where I wouldn't blame other nations for deeming it not worth it to pursue.
eot
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This is me every morning in the last 10 days.
Pretty much
Already Torn
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Can we stop saying he's not going to end the world now?
Lord Frieza
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Because that's not really his platform. It's always been about making as much money as possible for him and all his friends. He doesn't really care about America being #1. He cares about getting his.
Fancyarcher
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Fuck Trump. We're are truly fucked as a species because of this greedy monster.
Maybe the silver lining will be Trump's mission to tank all of our foreign trading. Perhaps people will stop relying on the US to buy and sell.
At least he's trying. Not much more that he can do.
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