What does that have to do with my point? I already made point quite clear, lol.
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Now yes, but back then it was state of the art and SSDs were not so cheap. Sure Gen4 SSDs are cheap now, but at the time they were not even on the market when PS5 got announced.
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Varteras
Gold Member
I'm saying any marketing hype is almost always bullshit. I'm not saying there was marketing hype here in particular. Just that complaining about any marketing hype that may exist is silly. Because it's always the same exaggerated things that we should be numb to by now. Getting into battles over marketing speak is a pathetic waste of energy on both sides.
Games of Today
Member
Dude holy shit it's going to look even more insane.
So wouldn’t you agree that it was smart for Sony to think ahead and make a future-proof data streaming I/O alongside a higher-end SSD by only losing some extra money for a very short period of time?
The good news for Sony is the fact PS5 was (and still is) cheaper to produce compared to the Series X (perhaps significantly so).
SolidQ
Member
I would only say yes if we saw anything to justify having Gen4 SSD in PS5, right now we haven't seen anything. Spending more on GPU instead is something we can all agree we would have immediately seen benefits of. I mean we're already seeing games on PS5 dropping to 1080p or even below in performance mode in some games, that's something an extra GPU power would have definitely helped with. As for SSD, we haven't seen a single case where we can say that having Gen4 SSD over Gen3 is of any benefit beyond a couple of seconds faster loading.
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
Did not plan on buying this game again but that ultimate ray-tracing makes it tempting.
Can't wait to see the tech breakdown when this releases.
Can't wait to see the tech breakdown when this releases.
I think you are missing the point.
You can absolutely add a more powerful GPU on a PS5 Pro, and later iterations of PlayStation for that matter, but you absolutely cannot change something as fundamental as the system’s I/O + SSD speed.
PS5 is designed in a way to not face the same fate of PS4. You simply don’t want to sell +100 million units in this day and age only to press a reset button and start from zero unit again when later iterations of PlayStation is released.
Notice how reluctant Sony was to leave PS4 behind and they developed all their main franchises as cross-gen titles… but that has to end now even though no business would in reality want to leave that massive PS4 install-base out.
PS5 is designed to make it ‘forward-compatible’, meaning when it comes to future transitions of PlayStation, you will absolutely still see games releasing on PS5 more than a decade from today (yes possibly at 720p @ 30 FPS, but that’s besides the point).
Without that over-designed SSD/IO, that simply may not be been possible, but hey, if you only care about today then you would be right, but Sony / Mark Cerny designed the system for the purpose of having PS5 last as long as possible.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yup look at TLoU launch vs today theres quite a huge difference.
Once they added a texture streaming rate option it became possible to play with decent settings even on those 8GB cards, it still has some issues but its certainly not as bad.
Hell the game got SteamDeck certified.......
With Rift Apart its coming with adaptive streaming from the jump so hopefully no ugly textures even on 8GB cards.
From the Nixxes interview:
For Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on PC we added adaptive streaming based on live measurement of the available hardware bandwidth. This allows us to tailor the texture streaming strategy for the best possible texture streaming on any configuration. With DirectStorage, the use of a fast NVMe SSD and GPU decompression, this results in very responsive texture streaming even at the highest settings
If this goes as well as we are hoping its gonna be one of the best ports this generation.
Bojji
Member
Of course those games were unoptimized. Problem is optimised games are rarity, Nixxes is one of the best of developers out there. Most new games are memory heavy as fuck and 8GB GPUs are fucked up in them...
That's why no one reccomends cards with lower than 12GB VRAM buffers for people that want to play new games with most settings maxed.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Really excited for this one as it's a really good game. And a technical showpiece in my opinion. It seems like they have once again brought their best effort in importing this over. I don't really care about the jokes about the SSD and stuff I really am more interested in just seeing how it runs on different hardware because some of those features in there are really next generation. If direct storage and some of the other features are in then that bodes well for this translating well to PC.
And yet you cannot provide a single example of that SSD being of value over more powerful GPU in practice. It's all nice talking about IO and throughput, but it's all pie in the sky stuff until you can show its benefits in practice.
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Bojji
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In reality how much more powerful GPU they could have? I bet nothing over series x and it already shows that difference between them is not very big (if at all in some games).
SSD speed may become some advantage later in generation, so far we just STARTED to see 9 gen only games.
They could have at least matched Series X GPU. Of course were aren't going to see difference between them because third party games also have to run on Series S and PS5 is the primary development console. Where we would see a difference though is first party games. Most people just think of resolution when they think of more powerful GPU, but in reality it also allows devs to push more fidelity, more geometry and have more graphical features in their games. Like I said, these are immediate benefits, whereas we are yet to see any practical benefit of having PS5 Gen4 SSD over a tad slower Gen3 SDD.
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I think the context is the SDD made Ratchet and Clank possible on PlayStation 5, because it had numerous technological improvements including a SSD when compared to the slow HDD on PS4. The PS4 had a slow HDD. PlayStations are not PCs.
When they announced Rift Apart they said "this is something we couldn't do on previous generations." The Context is previous generations of Playstation. Not PCs.
Most PCs today, even if running on a standard HDD, are much more capable than a system developed in 2013. And its not that the experience is impossible on HDD, just worse.
When they announced Rift Apart they said "this is something we couldn't do on previous generations." The Context is previous generations of Playstation. Not PCs.
Most PCs today, even if running on a standard HDD, are much more capable than a system developed in 2013. And its not that the experience is impossible on HDD, just worse.
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sncvsrtoip
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This port proofed „marketing hype” as Nixxes had to use direct storage for fast data loading
Varteras
Gold Member
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I dont think you can use DS with a regular HDD. I would wait to make such claims.
So you don't want PCs to show off the point of having the latest tech? There should be a new minimum standard,the fact some want newer games to run on old technology is very weird.
sncvsrtoip
Member
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Microsoft’s latest DirectStorage 1.2 works on HDDs to boost PC game load times
It’s not just SSDs that benefit from DirectStorage.
www.theverge.com
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Why would it NOT work with HDDs?
Especially 1.2 and above which can use GPU decompression.
Mister Wolf
Member
GDeflate vs Kraken.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I’m excited that someone else is now making use of Direct Storage. This needs to be happening with every game release, so hopefully the ball gets rolling.
fart town usa
Gold Member
Don't be an idiot. It's gonna run like ass on the minimum settings w/ HDD.Someone please post a Tweet from that hack Insomniac developer claiming that this game would be impossible on HDD. Thanks.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Weak?
Pedro Motta
Member
Saved, for later.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Impossible at the PS5 targeted resolutions and frame rates perhaps. However, with a couple more years of dev time and at a target of 720p 30fps, maybe not so impossible anymore.Someone please post a Tweet from that hack Insomniac developer claiming that this game would be impossible on HDD. Thanks.
BlackTron
Member
Minimum spec with SSD Recommended in brackets.
GAF
See I told it was all bullshit, I'll be running it 4k60fps on a HDD
Extremely weird you would have the hardware to run this game at 4k60, but introduce such a bottleneck to your system by using a HDD. Not even talking games, just using the OS. Honestly, I didn't think anyone still did this, I thought HDD was for cold storage/media only, and no one would be caught dead running a real gaming system on one.
Portugeezer
Member
Should be a good hate watchMost likely by Bugaga.
Jboemios
Banned
Series X is smaller, consume less energy, run games at better resolutions, and cost the same.
alucard0712_rus
Gold Member
That's how you make a PC port. Sony cares about PC gamers more than many PC only devs. TLOU was exception but many other PC ports was suffering at same time.
Also 3070 FTW.
Also 3070 FTW.
willothedog
Member
eh, HZD and Days Gone were not too hot at launch on PC and both had about a dozen patches
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yeah totally.
Zero Dawn - Launched in perfect condition
Days Gone - Sooo gooood
Returnal - Traversal stutter is not a thing.
Spider-Man - Didnt even need to get patched once.
The Last of Us - Shining example of how to do a port.
Sackboy - Praised to high heaven on PC at launch.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
I impatiently await the obligatory YouTube videos showing this game running on a 5400rpm hard drive.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Sorry I miss out the quotes, I was mocking people in this thread
alucard0712_rus
Gold Member
Feature-wise at least. Shit happen.
Also name a PC game without same or more problems?
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Gears 5.
Forza Horizon (Pretty much all of them).
Ori (both of them).
Metal Gears Solid 5.
Death Stranding.
Doom '16 and Eternal.
Control.
I could keep going honestly but is it really worth it?
Either this new phase of bad ports has hurt you enough to forget that PC launches for big titles were generally good and bad ports were the outliers, or you just really felt like praising Sony for something but couldnt come up with anything so decided to ignore that in actual fact, most of their ports dont launch in brilliant shape.