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NoSo is this confirmed to work since it's something to do with Sony?
NoSo is this confirmed to work since it's something to do with Sony?
So is this confirmed to work since it's something to do with Sony?
Well… Your VAT is 25% right? With the estimated yen price directly converted to euro + VAT it would be about 240€ for the 1TB drive. Probably rounded to 249€.This is going to cost 250€ 1T in Norway, isn't it?
For 2 TB... Of super fast PCIE 4.0 Storage. Not sure if you're being ironic or simply do not understand hardware prices.$300 bucks? ouch
Im not saying you’re wrong, its funny you use that as a comparison.If I'm wrong please tell me, don't be a jackass.
3-4x the quality?
Yes, it's comparing high tier, 4x PCIe lanes, 8-channel, with DDR4 DRAM for this one at 7+GB/s vs low budget 2x PCIe lanes, 4-channel, DRAM-less at 2.4GB/s. It means the latter has a much inferior lifespan as well, and it isn't an NVMe m.2.
You said 3x the QUALITY and I would disagree when comparing QUALITY.Yes, it's comparing high tier, 4x PCIe lanes, 8-channel, with DDR4 DRAM for this one at 7+GB/s vs low budget 2x PCIe lanes, 4-channel, DRAM-less at 2.4GB/s. It means the latter has a much inferior lifespan as well, and it isn't an NVMe m.2.
You said 3x the QUALITY and I would disagree when comparing QUALITY.
I find the XSX Card to be a better QUALITY than most of the nvme drives available.
To build M.2 SSDs supporting a PCIe 4.0 x4 interface, new controllers are (obviously) needed, and right now the only company that has them ready is Phison. In fact, the company is readying two such controllers: the PS5016-E16 for high-end drives, as well as the PS5019-E19 for mainstream drives. The E16 has eight 800 MT/s NAND channels for ultimate parallelism and sequential read performance of up to 5 GB/s (write speeds depend on the actual chips/SSD capacity, in the best case scenario it is said to reach up to 4.4 GB/s), whereas the E19 has four NAND channels to minimize the die size and cost. |
While the PS5019-E19 is formally positioned below the top-of-the-range controllers, it supports all of the features the E16 does (including Phison’s latest implementation of LDPC-based ECC and so on). |
Yes, it's comparing high tier, 4x PCIe lanes, 8-channel, with DDR4 DRAM for this one at 7+GB/s vs low budget 2x PCIe lanes, 4-channel, DRAM-less at 2.4GB/s. It means the latter has a much inferior lifespan as well, and it isn't an NVMe m.2.
Whats the lifespan of a CFExpress card when most come with lifetime warranties?
Is the Xbox using a CFExpress architecture ? If it was it'll be an $800-1000 memory. It's an NVMe SSD, but not m.2.
Ofc we do. 2TB is twice that of 1TB so we have to pay twice+ the money for it, even if the manufacturing cost would only be $5-10 (if even this high) more for the 2TB vs 1TB for the manufacturer.For 2 TB... Of super fast PCIE 4.0 Storage. Not sure if you're being ironic or simply do not understand hardware prices.
Hmm? Xbox uses an M2.Is the Xbox using a CFExpress architecture ? If it was it'll be an $800-1000 memory. It's an NVMe SSD, but not m.2.
Right.....I thought the Xbox storage used CFExpress interface but NVMe SSD and proprietary controller.
Hmm? Xbox uses an M2.
No. NVMe, but not m.2 as it uses only 2x lanes vs 4x lanes on m.2.
M2 is a form factor.. it's M2 2230...
Plug it to a PC m.2 slot then and see how it reacts.
I really don't know what you are on about Bo-bro.. it's a 2230 M.2 drive.. which is a form factor.. meaning the shape/size of it. It's x2, aka 2 lanes.. like plenty of other M.2 drives.Plug it to a PC m.2 slot then and see how it reacts.
Doesn't uk price include Vat?Well… Your VAT is 25% right? With the estimated yen price directly converted to euro + VAT it would be about 240€ for the 1TB drive. Probably rounded to 249€.
The sn850 with the same specs was recently 1700 nok at komplett. Can't see how it's gonna be much more than that.This is going to cost 250€ 1T in Norway, isn't it?
So what do you think I should be comparing it to? For reference I paid 180 euros for two WD SN850's.Im not saying you’re wrong, its funny you use that as a comparison.
What if I'm frontin a Dell dood?
My friend I said quality not performance because you claimed 3x the quality.8-channel vs 4-channel, 4x lanes vs 2x lanes, 7.1GB/s vs 2.4GB/s, DDR4 DRAM vs DRAM-less. Even Phison call it low budget.
More details:
To build M.2 SSDs supporting a PCIe 4.0 x4 interface, new controllers are (obviously) needed, and right now the only company that has them ready is Phison. In fact, the company is readying two such controllers: the PS5016-E16 for high-end drives, as well as the PS5019-E19 for mainstream drives. The E16 has eight 800 MT/s NAND channels for ultimate parallelism and sequential read performance of up to 5 GB/s (write speeds depend on the actual chips/SSD capacity, in the best case scenario it is said to reach up to 4.4 GB/s), whereas the E19 has four NAND channels to minimize the die size and cost.
While the PS5019-E19 is formally positioned below the top-of-the-range controllers, it supports all of the features the E16 does (including Phison’s latest implementation of LDPC-based ECC and so on).
You should be comparing it to the xbox memory card. But in the world of consoles, the speed doesnt matter because there isnt any choice. The only real comparison that can be made is the size of storage and price. Nobody needs to know the speeds of the two drives. Only that they do intended job.So what do you think I should be comparing it to? For reference I paid 180 euros for two WD SN850's.
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You should be comparing it to the xbox memory card. But in the world of consoles, the speed doesnt matter because there isnt any choice. The only real comparison that can be made is the size of storage and price. Nobody needs to know the speeds of the two drives. Only that they do intended job.
The listed UK price in this case is just a direct conversion from the estimated retail price in Japan, VAT in Japan is 10% according to a quick google, no idea if it’s included.Doesn't uk price include Vat?
My friend I said quality not performance because you claimed 3x the quality.
Is that in RAID?Ugh mines trash compared to that
Nope. One drive just plugged in.Is that in RAID?
The sn850 with the same specs was recently 1700 nok at komplett. Can't see how it's gonna be much more than that.
ThxThe listed UK price in this case is just a direct conversion from the estimated retail price in Japan, VAT in Japan is 10% according to a quick google, no idea if it’s included.
25190yen for 1TB is about £165 ($230)
48560yen for 2TB is about £320 ($440)
What model?Nope. One drive just plugged in.
Sn850 1tbWhat model?
Which actually makes no difference at all since PC games can't access data that fast anyway due to bottlenecks.7GB/s? Get with the times, Sony!
What if you've got it backwards and games can't access data that fast because developers are forced to develop for PS5 and XSX with their slow-ass storage solutions based on ancient peasant technology?Which actually makes no difference at all since PC games can't access data that fast anyway due to bottlenecks.
Or maybe you have it backwards and games designed for PCs have to work on a variety of hardware, including slow ass HDD drives. Also, there are literally bottlenecks in Windows slowing the data down since it has to run through the CPU first whereas the PS5 loads data directly from the drive to the GPU almost like RAM.What if you've got it backwards and games can't access data that fast because developers are forced to develop for PS5 and XSX with their slow-ass storage solutions based on ancient peasant technology?
No you most definitely got it backwards.What if you've got it backwards and games can't access data that fast because developers are forced to develop for PS5 and XSX with their slow-ass storage solutions based on ancient peasant technology?
Wow. That model is performing way above max spec.Sn850 1tb
Got it for half price as well. 120$cdn. Quite happy with itWow. That model is performing way above max spec.
Yup, alot of the 7GB/s drives are now between $199-$195.I have been up to date on DirectStorage and RTX IO, not so much on what's currently the latest and greatest spec-wise on the market in SSD stuff lately.
Looks like the price (of a 980 Pro) has also come down a bit since I last checked, which is nice.
Btw, I think all drives that hit 7GB/s or more sequential read are beasts
Will be keeping an eye on this, thanks for this post.You can already buy m.2s with this spec from microcenter. I put one in my PC in January. They cost $180. Might not fit in a PS5 though.
Inland Performance Plus 1TB M.2 SSD Review
Micro Center has partnered with Phison for its flagship NVMe SSD. Join us as we closely examine the inland Performance Plus 1TB.www.tweaktown.com
Or maybe you have it backwards and games designed for PCs have to work on a variety of hardware, including slow ass HDD drives.
Oh crap, looks like my carefully constructed argument has been destroyed by facts and logic. How am I ever going to live this down?No you most definitely got it backwards.
The facts are in the post you quoted from Dust-by-MondayOh crap, looks like my carefully constructed argument has been destroyed by facts and logic. How am I ever going to live this down?
Or maybe - just maybe - I wasn't being entirely serious when I posted benchmarks results of a 10,000+ dollar workstation AIC SSD on a gaming board.
That's funny because my physical copy of MW decided to not let me play the multiplayer on my PS5 even though I have every installation pack downloaded.Hopefully that's the case, cause it needs to be released ASAP. At least for those who play COD. I mean, the better fix would be compressing the game more, but that can eventually lead to performance issues.
In essence, additional storage is needed
There we’re two that was confirmed to be compatible (WD Black and Samsung) but it was pulled after a couple days when it was clear that the update wasn’t coming anytime soon.So is this confirmed to work since it's something to do with Sony?
Whatever this drive is, I doubt its the only one that can be used internally for PS5. The PS5 has screws for all form factors, I cant see them having a proprietary M.2.