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SUPPOSEDLY Leaked Non-Final XBOX 2 Specifications
- Thread starter MightyHedgehog
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aaaaa0 said:
You are not precisely right, but neither am I... well I think.
Each pipeline has 2 ALUs (ATI's latest architecture that is), 1 full and 1 mini ALU and both can do Vec3/Scal computations. The current X800XT configuration is 16x1 which would represent 16x2 ALUs, or 32 ALUs. Considering the Xenon has 48, it seems a step up from the X800XT configuration, and most likely, what will become the base for the R500 release for ATI which would have a 24x1 configuration (24x2 or 48 ALUs).
Anyway... move on... nothing to see here...
In any case, it does seem quite reasonable.
MightyHedgehog
Member
GigaDrive said:
Yeah, but someone on B3D pointed out that those specs are with (16 gigasamples/sec with 4× antialiasing)...
GuntherBait
Banned
Some mod needs to sticky this damn thread!
shpankey
not an idiot
BeOnEdge said:
You have got to be kidding with this post?
1. More ram means better textures, higher resolution, higher FSAA and AF and saying a gig of ram "does nothing" is just not true (and I find it hard to believe you even said it).
2. First of all, there *IS* a 1080p (progressive). Not to be confused with 1080i. Yes, it's out there already and more and more displays will be doing it.
3. As long as I can get DVI, I'll be happy.
4. I personally am not a big proponent of BC, but whatever will make people happy I'm all for.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Aha! Element enters the thread. So, does this mean that these specs are close to the real thing, then?
Well they're only going to become even more common place once DS and PSP hit the market. If both of those systems take off and sell in the millions then just about everyone is going to want to have wireless access in their homes to play their PSP or DS online. During Xbox 2's planned lifetime WiFi home access should be very prevalent. I would expect Xbox 2 to have at least as good hardware as the average budget laptop of the last 6 months, but I guess not.Suikoguy said:
MightyHedgehog
Member
IJoel said:Please, don't put Element in that position as he can't be MS' official nor unofficial voice.
Hehehe. All I need is a smiley, Element. One teeny, weeny smiley.
MightyHedgehog
Member
op_ivy said:
I think 720p smokes 1080i...at least on my display.
GuntherBait
Banned
Depends on the TV that displays it. Some that can do 1080i and 720p look like shit in one or the other.op_ivy said:
MightyHedgehog
Member
I thought that someone had stated that 720p was actually more 'intensive' than 1080i, depending on the frame-rate.
GuntherBait
Banned
Doubtful since it sounds like their CPU can handle the user input of the selected output which would mean that 1080i (HD) for the Xenon (Xbox 2) is very likely.op_ivy said:
MightyHedgehog
Member
Yeah....if this shit's true...
shpankey
not an idiot
teepo said:
What does a camera have to do with a console and 1080p?
How is 1080p worthless exactly? If a display devices can render 1080p (they are already here and they are going to become more and more available in the next year), and a console could output at 1080p (shouldn't be hard, plenty of fillrate and ram in next gen systems should make it absolutely no problem at all) what does anything else you can bring up matter? I mean really. Who the fuck cares what a camera can record at?
The Faceless Master
Member
all i have to say is that
is not true, so i can only assume the rest is fake too
All those 'extras' rack up the cost considerably.. and 1 gig of ram is waay over the top and totally unnecessary, considering very very few % of people will have HDTVs even after five years.
My guess is those if you want all the extras (BC, HDD, wireless etc) you'll have to pay for it yourself, since most likely the hardware itself, cpus etc. cost a lot themselves.
My guess is those if you want all the extras (BC, HDD, wireless etc) you'll have to pay for it yourself, since most likely the hardware itself, cpus etc. cost a lot themselves.
Excuse me, a HDD isn't an "extra" it is a major component of all modern PC's. Would you buy a computer without a HDD? I don't think so. After Xbox any console that told me I had to buy a HD as an extra would sound like a major downgrade from the system I already had.thorns said:
No thank you. I don't want to be told I'm going to have to buy tons of expensive add-ons for an already expensive console that doesn't do what I want it to do out of the box. Forget it, if this is true, Microsoft is going backwards not forwards. The next generation of hardware is supposed to advance us forward from where we already are, not take us back to the shortcomings we had to deal with in the past. If MS thinks I'm going to run out and buy a USB hard drive for my video game console they are insane.
They're going to remove the expansion ports from the controllers? They're going to remove the hard drive? They're going to tell us we need to buy new microphones, hard drives, cameras and that all of the accessories and games we have for Xbox are worthless? I don't care how powerful this system could be it sounds like a complete rip off and a major feature downgrade from Xbox 1. I want at a bare minimum all the features that were in Xbox 1, and I'd appreciate it very much if all the hardware and software you had me buy for Xbox 1 didn't become useless the day Xbox 2 replaces it.
The Faceless Master
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yeah, after dreamcast, i saw any console without native vga as a downgrade :-/---- said:
Neutron Night
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That's a fuckload of security information. Do they enjoy throwing away disc space? PS2 doesn't do that.
Oh, and really, I want more RAM. My freaking graphics card has 128MB. The Xenon is STILL going to have memory limitations. RAM is probably the most important spec as far as gameplay is concerned, stop skimping.
It gets better when you think about pixel shaders that you can afford.aaaa0 said:
Take a Z-Pass first to eliminate overdraw, and then consider how many ops you can do per-pixel in say, 640x480P...
Well it's "doing a DC" afterall, it only makes sense spec ratio will be similar too.Gigadrive said:
What the hell is there to get excited about this system, the CPU and GPU? Big deal, Sony and Nintendo will release their systems a year later and eclipse the performance of whatever MS puts out. Where does that leave Xbox 2 owners then? With an underpowered and featureless console that requires tons of expensive add-ons (which 3rd party devs probably won't support) many of which will probably come standard in the consoles that Nintendo and Sony provide us with. To throw all your money into the CPU and GPU and strip the machine bare of anything extra and release it a year early is a huge mistake. It's certainly not the type of machine I would ever consider buying. I'm supposed to be satisfied with them replacing the 8GB HDD with two 64MB memory cards on the front of the console? What is this the original Gamecube spec sheet? This better be fake.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Fafalada said:Well it's "doing a DC" afterall, it only makes sense spec ratio will be similar too.
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element
Member
yeah totally. If anything PS3 will come with a HDD in the more exspensive version.Pug said:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/07/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/
SolidSnakex
Member
Pug said:
Don't be surprised if they get an HD involved, specifically the one they're using for the PS2. It's going to be backwards compatible with the PS2, so it only makes sense that the harddrive will work with it. Throw in that they're basically charing 50 dollars for the harddrive now (it's $100 with FF, so 50 for each), i'm sure they'll be able to bring the price down by the time the PS3 is released. So i'd say there's a good chance you'll be getting a harddrive with the PS3.
Snake I'm sure that PS3 will have HD functions, but as we have seen with Xbox having the HD standard has caused MS all sorts of problems with mods besides the cost factor. I don't think Sony would be that receptive to the mod scene. I'm sure there will be a PS3 version with HD but I can't see it being in the base unit. However I think the Xbox2 will also launch with a hardrive option it will just be more expensive. I know very little about specs really I have no idea what these leaked specs mean, what I do do know if MS can market a machine with graphical capabilities that are virtually the same as the competition for a price say ($100) less than the competition and have mainstream wanted games (EA etc) they have a chance of taken a decent % of the market.
SolidSnakex
Member
Pug said:
I think Sony's basically going to take every advantage they can get over MS. If they can get the harddrive in the base unit at a cheap price without any real drawbacks, it's going to happen because it's an advantage. Launching first always puts the people launching after you in the drivers seat because they're able to make sure what they've got is going to be better than your system in everyway. That's why it's not always a good thing.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Pug said:
aka GC
That's something I didn't think of Solid...that's a good point. And since Sony is an electronic's giant they can get the HD in theer for cheaper since they can make it themselves.
The whole idea of a HD in the system for creating your own "mini-server" is an idea I've heard about in regard's to rumors to the "Revolution". I mean, if Nintendo doesn't have the influence/money to create a huge network (like MS with XBL) then why not sell the idea of a "mini-server" dirrectly to the owner of the system?
It'd be funny to see Sony & Nintendo purposely going for a HD (even if it means a lil' more upfront red per system sold), BC and next generation media formats (HD-DVD or BR) just to SPITE Microsoft's next X-BOX...I mean really, if Sony & Nintendo both have these things and Microsoft doesn't then the next X-BOX will look even more alientated...especially with such an early launch.
I know this basic info isn't really confirmed *cough*yet*cough*, but if everything we've been hearing recently is true then these specs really fall in line with Microsoft's plans and are quite believable...and I'd hate to say it, but...I told ya so...
The whole idea of a HD in the system for creating your own "mini-server" is an idea I've heard about in regard's to rumors to the "Revolution". I mean, if Nintendo doesn't have the influence/money to create a huge network (like MS with XBL) then why not sell the idea of a "mini-server" dirrectly to the owner of the system?
It'd be funny to see Sony & Nintendo purposely going for a HD (even if it means a lil' more upfront red per system sold), BC and next generation media formats (HD-DVD or BR) just to SPITE Microsoft's next X-BOX...I mean really, if Sony & Nintendo both have these things and Microsoft doesn't then the next X-BOX will look even more alientated...especially with such an early launch.
I know this basic info isn't really confirmed *cough*yet*cough*, but if everything we've been hearing recently is true then these specs really fall in line with Microsoft's plans and are quite believable...and I'd hate to say it, but...I told ya so...
Redbeard said:
Also minus a large chunk of their existing fanbase (and potential fanbase) due to lack of BC, HD, other features, the power edge they had this generation...not to mention recent fans who just bought an X-BOX who'll be pissed/shocked to hear that their system will be cut short 'cos MS wants to have some sort of "headstart" on the competition.
Only thing that worries me if that is real is the 6gig DVD media, the size of games exploded this gen, with big xbox games already topping 3.5gig, i dont want multidisk games.
As for the rest, its hard to say without a similar sheet for PS3 (which no doubt wont be forthcoming)
If this is real though, seems to me the message is "work with ATI, get your shit leaked"
As for the rest, its hard to say without a similar sheet for PS3 (which no doubt wont be forthcoming)
If this is real though, seems to me the message is "work with ATI, get your shit leaked"