Of course they are, this isnt anything new. Every game has their own marketing strategy and schedule.
Everything we need to know has been revealed.
That’s funny, considering numerous games look better than this remake (horizon, ratchet, demons souls, etc). I was more impressed with Spider Man miles morales and all that ray tracing as well
Yeah, I'm sure the developers agree with you on this. And you will find out about the rest in the coming days/weeks and when the game launches. Don't worry, you won't be disappointed my friend
You sure about that? Either these are RT reflections in the puddles or the most convincing cubemap reflections I've ever seen. Regardless, it is more impressive and higher quality than Spiderman reflections.
Yeah, I'm sure the developers agree with you on this. And you will find out about the rest in the coming days/weeks and when the game launches. Don't worry, you won't be disappointed my friend
You sure about that? Either these are RT reflections in the puddles or the most convincing cubemap reflections I've ever seen. Regardless, it is more impressive and higher quality than Spiderman reflections.
This is nothing we haven't seen before. It was there in The Last of Us Part II, a PS4 game. Naughty Dog pretty much mastered the art of fake reflections.
Very good segment in DF tech review video:
It's all in screenspace, so don't know why it would be raytracing.
That's not what's happening here. Like the df video you posted said, cubemaps and SSR was used for water/puddle reflections in TLOU2. The light from the window is being reflected even though the character movement caused the direct light to move offscreen being blocked by a building outside.
Yeah, I'm sure the developers agree with you on this. And you will find out about the rest in the coming days/weeks and when the game launches. Don't worry, you won't be disappointed my friend
You sure about that? Either these are RT reflections in the puddles or the most convincing cubemap reflections I've ever seen. Regardless, it is more impressive and higher quality than Spiderman reflections.
So you're trying to say that there will be ray tracing in the remaster on PS5 day one but somehow they forgot to mention it in a 10+ minutes features breakdown video?
Judging by how much they have talked about this game, if it had Ray tracing they would be shouting it from the hills.
Whoa now, don't treat me like ND developers and put words in my mouth . I'm just making an observation that wouldn't be explained by ssr or cubemaps techniques ND used and as we know them to perform in TLOU2.
They had not talked much about the game's tech at all up until recently when they were forced to do so due to excessive leaks.
Yeah i know, usually in an official trailer they show the less impressive part to hype people, classic strategy."Better" doesn't mean copying TLOU2. The idea that better MM related mechanics won't be present is laughable. You clearly see them capturing new combat animations for the remake in the 10min trailer they gave us. MM is also memory intensive, so no, it will not be worse than TLOU2. You don't like their snail paced marketing tactics and that's ok. Just say you're impatient and want the deets, no need to spread baseless, and frankly illogical, claims.
Again, to assume the trailer is showing you the height of the new tech implementations is crazy thinking. Some experiences are better left as surprises and can really only be appreciated by when playing for yourself.
Whoa now, don't treat me like ND developers and put words in my mouth . I'm just making an observation that wouldn't be explained by ssr or cubemaps techniques ND used and as we know them to perform in TLOU2.
They had not talked much about the game's tech at all up until recently when they were forced to do so due to excessive leaks.
Yeah i know, usually in an official trailer they show the less impressive part to hype people, classic strategy.
For now we can onky judge what we see, if you want to fly with the fantasy, be my guest, for now they showed stuff that was possible on a fucking ps2-ps3.
Happy to be proved wrong dude, september is close.
Nah dude, you are embarassing yourself by comparing this to SpidermanYeah, I'm sure the developers agree with you on this. And you will find out about the rest in the coming days/weeks and when the game launches. Don't worry, you won't be disappointed my friend
You sure about that? Either these are RT reflections in the puddles or the most convincing cubemap reflections I've ever seen. Regardless, it is more impressive and higher quality than Spiderman reflections.
I would like you to explain to me what exactly did they mean by modernized gameplay?I agree $70 is steep considering it's a remake and not a brand new title, yes the graphics are all new but when it comes to story and the core experience it's the same. That being said anyone who thought they were going to make it play like TLOU2 which they NEVER said they were going to do jumped to conclusions based on some very vague comments during the reveal and it's their own fault that they are disappointed. Gamers need to stop acting like 5 year old children on message boards and social media, we talk crap about devs being whiney jerks (rightfully so) but it's pretty obvious that gamers themselves are often just as bad even if it's in different ways.
Nobody said they were going to add prone, dodge or jump and why would they? It's a remake of TLOU not a reimagining, the levels in this game are much smaller than the first one and the path is defined already, it's already been designed so that you can go to all of the places they want you to be able to go and adding jump would be useless since they'd just have to add obstacles to block off all of the places you couldn't get to before anyway. How would going prone have helped? there aren't any large areas covered in tall grass that you need to hide in, that was all worked into the level design in TLOU2. This is a remake of TLOU and the stuff you are talking about doing would basically be making it a totally different game in many ways which would mean this would be far more than a remake. They added some small things that make sense from TLOU2 but this isn't supposed to be a totally different experience and it has never been advertised as that.
Anyone who calls this a remaster is clearly speaking from a place of ignorance or is trolling, they either don't know what the word remaster means, or they are just being a jerk lol. We already had a remaster, this blows it away visually and it should. It's an 8-year-old remaster of a 9-year-old game and as much as I love the game (my fav story driven game of all time) the remaster looks pretty bad compared to this. This is likely being made mostly so they can sell both games in the series on PC, it would be a rough sell asking PC players to buy an 8-year-old remaster but a new modern version that is also available for PS5 owners IF they wish to buy the upgraded version is a win/win. Yes, I wish it was cheaper, but nobody is forcing me to buy it either.
You can clearly see from this shot that the image on the puddle has different lighting compared to what should have been reflecting there
This is not RT and I bet my avatar on it
We must be seeing different images then, 'cause what's being refflected on the puddle is clearly way more intense than what's in the windowIt's being reflected very realistically; the light being reflected is less intense than directly looking out the window because portion of the light rays are being absorbed by the reflective puddle surface. It's the same reason why you can see the sun reflected in a mirror much easier than directly looking at it.
No need for avatar bets, I'm just having a discussion of what technique they could be using here. It's not SSR, and cubemaps isn't likely here either. RT seems like the logical explanation. Either way it looks very good and high resolution.
Yep. We have to be mindful of devs crunching and working hard. We simply cannot demand they add next gen features like ray tracing to a next gen game. Thats very entitled and toxic gamer behavior. We have to be better than this. I suggest we move back to PS1 era graphics so devs can go home at 3PM everyday instead of crunching and doing their job. I also suggest we increase the price of games to $100 to ensure devs can live like kings and queens that they are.Everything we need to know has been revealed. They will trickle out more marketing material. It ain't going to turn it into a ground up PS5 game like they're claiming.
Makes no sense to expect that they would've completely reworked every aspect of gameplay to include massive changes like being able to move exactly like you do in TLoU Part 2.
We must be seeing different images then, 'cause what's being refflected on the puddle is clearly way more intense than what's in the window
We are at a point now where we are not getting better physics simulations, better destruction, AI simulations, next gen hair simulations, or next gen visuals 2 years into the gen. And yet, we have gamers defending a game that isnt even offering last gen features.
Because the original game is one of the most successful PlayStation games ever? Did you have a problem with Demon's Souls not adding stuff from Dark Souls 3 too?Why not? It’s a remake. Why make a game that plays worse than your previous effort?
Most people who buy this game are probably going to be new to the series.Why not? It’s a remake. Why make a game that plays worse than your previous effort?
Because the original game is one of the most successful PlayStation games ever? Did you have a problem with Demon's Souls not adding stuff from Dark Souls 3 too?
Most people who buy this game are probably going to be new to the series.
Imagine if they made TLOU remake's gameplay better than TLOU 2. Do you think they're going to think the gameplay took a step back or that they made minor improvements over Part I? I'm sure they want TLOU 2 to have superior gameplay.
Not to mention that when you include massive changes to movement you need to pretty much redesign the entire game since encounters and locations were not built around you being able to move like that.Most people who buy this game are probably going to be new to the series.
Imagine if they made TLOU remake's gameplay better than TLOU 2. Do you think they're going to think the gameplay took a step back or that they made minor improvements over Part I? I'm sure they want TLOU 2 to have superior gameplay.
If you are already replaying it why do you care?I don’t know about Demon’s Souls as I never played it but first TLOU gameplay aged like milk. I’m replaying it now and at the same time going through TLOU2 for the first time and the leap in quality is shocking.
Not to mention that when you include massive changes to movement you need to pretty much redesign the entire game since encounters and locations were not built around you being able to move like that.
If you are already replaying it why do you care?
This argument of the remake needing to be better than their last game makes no sense and was never used when any remake before this one was coming out. Are you serious?
So, when TLOU 1 is released on PC and it's followed by TLOU 2, how do you think gamers are going to feel when it plays exactly the same or worse?At least make it as good as your previous game. There’s no point in making it worse. Are you serious?
What exactly is you think other people will be doing?I'm replaying it for the characters, story, writing and art style (yes, I think that the original game has an amazing timeless art style to it). I'm definitely not replaying it for gameplay or level design which is terrible.
Final Fantasy VII Remake isn't even a Remake, the title is bait, shows how much you know.Ah, yes. Because remakes like Resident Evil 2, Final Fantasy VII, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 and countless others don't exist.
So, when TLOU 1 is released on PC and it's followed by TLOU 2, how do you think gamers are going to feel when it plays exactly the same or worse?
Such a terrible gameplay and level design, yet here you are playing the game again.
What exactly is you think other people will be doing?
Final Fantasy VII Remake isn't even a Remake, the title is bait, shows how much you know.
Hahaha gamers aren’t entitled!!!??? BS Gamers run wild with expections ALL THE TIME! lol. If dodge and prone were in the game it have been printed on the box You would have seen it in the teaser trailer.I would like you to explain to me what exactly did they mean by modernized gameplay?
I am sick and tired of people coming and claiming gamers to be entitled, whiny 5 year old children when they have done nothing but reasonably construed the statements of Sony and Naugty Dog, who have been incredibly misleading in the framing of the improvements of this remake. Where is the accountability? When they say the gameplay has been modernized, and that Neil Druckman himself says the combat has been redone, what do you expect? It takes nothing more than a little bit bit of deductive reasoning and inference, they didn’t need to explicitly come out and say “it has TLoU II’s combat”.
Stop blaming the gamers, and place it where it lays.
Yes, they would. People complained that TLOU 2's gameplay wasn't better than TLOU 1.Literally nobody would complain if TLOU1 remake would play exactly like TLOU2. Regardless of the release order.
You think it's stupid because you think your opinion is the right one. The fact of the matter is, the developers could feel that they want TLOU 2's gameplay to remain superior as they release TLOU 2 on PS5 and PC. That would make perfect sense.This whole argument is so stupid. What if TLOU1 remake is graphically better than TLOU2. How do you think PC gamers are going to feel?
So just because there's a possibility that TLOU2 is coming to PC after TLOU1 remake, the entire remake must be inferior to TLOU2 or PC player's feeling will get hurt.
Yes, they would. People complained that TLOU 2's gameplay wasn't better than TLOU 1.
You think it's stupid because you think your opinion is the right one. The fact of the matter is, the developers could feel that they want TLOU 2's gameplay to remain superior as they release TLOU 2 on PS5 and PC. That would make perfect sense.
So you believe people wouldn't feel let down about Part II if it played worse than TLOU 1 and the game was also released on PC?
Your argument makes no sense. There are many cases to be made if TLOU 2 released on PC and PS5.
So, your only argument is, "That's a bad idea. No one would complain."Dude, you made my day.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that most people are fine with how the game plays and just like you said a good story and characters can be enough for people to want to play the game.You seriously can't understand that a good story and likeable characters can be enough for someone to play the game, regardless of how shitty the level design and core gameplay is? There are multiple genres of games that have almost no gameplay and are story based. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
Did you even play it? It obviously isn't a remake, it's sequel. SE is even doing what looks like an actual remake with Final Fantasy VII: Ever CrisisTo summarize this page:
- FF7 Remake isnt a remake.
Why do you assume that being remade implies that every aspect needs to be changed? Again, most well received, remakes are made in a way they try to change as little as possible (with very few exceptions like the Resident Evil remakes).To summarize this page:
- Remakes are not remasters, but they are also not a 're-imagining'. What are they then? No one knows.
To summarize this page:
- FF7 Remake isnt a remake.
- TLOU1 plays worse than TLOU2 because people would complain if it was better.
- Ray traced reflections are in this game, but being kept a secret while ND gloats about putting next gen pillar destruction that was in KZ2.
- Gamers are entitled for taking a dev at his word.
- Remakes are not remasters, but they are also not a 're-imagining'. What are they then? No one knows.
Compared to The Last of Us Remake, it obviously isnt.Did you even play it? It obviously isn't.
To summarize this page:
- FF7 Remake isnt a remake.
- TLOU1 plays worse than TLOU2 because people would complain if it was better.
- Ray traced reflections are in this game, but being kept a secret while ND gloats about putting next gen pillar destruction that was in KZ2.
- Gamers are entitled for taking a dev at his word.
- Remakes are not remasters, but they are also not a 're-imagining'. What are they then? No one knows.
Whether or not gamers are entitled is aside the point.Hahaha gamers aren’t entitled!!!??? BS Gamers run wild with expections ALL THE TIME! lol. If dodge and prone were in the game it have been printed on the box You would have seen it in the teaser trailer.
I have both the PS3 and PS4! I deserve at least 75% off!There should be some sort of discount for those who own the PS4 remaster.
THPS 1+2To summarize this page:
- FF7 Remake isnt a remake.
- TLOU1 plays worse than TLOU2 because people would complain if it was better.
- Ray traced reflections are in this game, but being kept a secret while ND gloats about putting next gen pillar destruction that was in KZ2.
- Gamers are entitled for taking a dev at his word.
- Remakes are not remasters, but they are also not a 're-imagining'. What are they then? No one knows.
Except that ND went on record that they will be applying all the lessons they learned from TLOU2 to this remake, and that they will be modernizing the gameplay. This is all on tape said by the President of Naughty Dog Live at E3.THPS 1+2
The developers have gone on record by stating they wanted to stick to the original mechanics as much as possible. This is why you don't see a lot of gameplay mechanics that were featured in other THPS titles.
RE2 has better mechanics than all of those games. It's a true next gen title compared to RE4-6. Brand new animations, brand new shooting mechanics, brand new bosses, graphics, levels and enemy design compared to RE5 and RE6. Just because they removed some melee mechanics doesnt mean they phoned in the remake. They made enhancements elsewhere to push it a gen above RE4-6. TLOU Remake doesnt feel a gen above TLOU2 and lacks the features that made TLOU2 feel next gen compared to the first game.Resident Evil 2
Other Resident Evil games featured mechanics that weren't found in Resident Evil 4-6. You also don't have the same amount of inventory space.
Oh come on.Resident Evil 3
Ink Ribbons were removed from this game and this upset many gamers.
THPS 1+2
The developers have gone on record by stating they wanted to stick to the original mechanics as much as possible. This is why you don't see a lot of gameplay mechanics that were featured in other THPS titles.
I'm not discussing what ND said because it can be interpreted in many different ways. That being said, I know many gamers thought ND would add all of TLOU 2's gameplay mechanics in TLOU 1 Remake.Except that ND went on record that they will be applying all the lessons they learned from TLOU2 to this remake, and that they will be modernizing the gameplay. This is all on tape said by the President of Naughty Dog Live at E3.
RE2 has better mechanics than all of those games. It's a true next gen title compared to RE4-6. Brand new animations, brand new shooting mechanics, brand new bosses, graphics, levels and enemy design compared to RE5 and RE6. Just because they removed some melee mechanics doesnt mean they phoned in the remake. They made enhancements elsewhere to push it a gen above RE4-6. TLOU Remake doesnt feel a gen above TLOU2 and lacks the features that made TLOU2 feel next gen compared to the first game.
Oh come on.
Ray traced reflections are in this game, but being kept a secret while ND gloats about putting next gen pillar destruction that was in KZ2.
They added multiple moves from later games, including revert, a mechanic from THPS3 which completely changes how the game plays.
Boy, oh boy.
The developers have gone on record by stating they wanted to stick to the original mechanics as much as possible.