PJV3
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Spain will probably be more tolerant of it being due to the UK withdrawal from the EU.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Spain will probably be more tolerant of it being due to the UK withdrawal from the EU.
Behave. Nearly half of us don't want this and you know fucking why?
Because It would be fantastic for all of us who voted Remain (because we said leaving would be a bad idea) to be told what Leave' voters voted for.
We are all negative apparently, so what are the realities
What happens to Scotland?
How soon does all this happen?
What will the trade deal be with Europe?
Who will we be trading with?
How much immigration and where from?
What are the 'European' laws and regulations that will be repealed and rewritten?
How much of the mythical £350 million will be spent on the NHS?
How will the regions that see themselves as less privileged going to be regenerated?
There's another thousand questions but those will do for a start. No negativity please don't tell us what's wrong with the EU or Cameron because they've both gone. You won.
People have been fucking duped, it's a swindle of epic proportions. You watch that Burnley video again and rather than laughing at the ignorance it's actually sad.
Sumio Mondo
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^It's like a mystery novel. Looking forward to the closer where all of the revelations get revealed. Plot twists galore.
If Corbyn has got to be replaced by anyone it would have to be somebody of Dave Miliband's stature to unify them, I think. It's also who I'd be cool with replacing Corbyn (even though I think people are being harsh on ol' Jezza).
If Corbyn has got to be replaced by anyone it would have to be somebody of Dave Miliband's stature to unify them, I think. It's also who I'd be cool with replacing Corbyn (even though I think people are being harsh on ol' Jezza).
The country voted for the side that had no manifesto. Who are the EU going to deal with? And on what grounds?
Juncker already alluded to this being a very real possibility on German television yesterday.
Nope. I got to 2nd year of law school at uni before I got taught about the EU in any detail.
This is the problem.
Saying the PM should of used it in his campaign! the world new what we were offered was rubbish, Cameron was getting slaughtered everytime he mentioned the reforms
what would they have to do for you to vote for them? David Milliband really?
blu
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I'm sceptical that many of BritGAF voted Leave.
Are you being serious? Which part of that is revisionist?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963
In that case they should hold out even longer so the EU could be exposed as an out of touch undemocratic institution that needs to change for the good of all the countries within the EU
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This depends on how it happens. There is a difference between it declaring independence by itself and the UK agreeing to split apart. The Catalonia situation is not exactly similar.And the union of the UK is not the same as Spain.
Ravensmash
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Is anyone else getting the impression that the Leave side really has no bloody clue about what to do now?
For a campaign based on the urgency for us to leave, the dangers of the EU's control/influence, and the financial implications of us remaining, it's rather disconcerting that everyone else is reacting apart from them.
For a campaign based on the urgency for us to leave, the dangers of the EU's control/influence, and the financial implications of us remaining, it's rather disconcerting that everyone else is reacting apart from them.
dealer-
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https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/512860384337072129
Edit: I was only joking, just some Frankie Boyle humour to lighten the mood, translating his reaction from the Indy Ref to this.
No wonder Remain voters are salty as fuck. How can you be so ignorant? Do you even know what Juncker's role is? How the EU functions?
I guess that is a rhetorical question as you clearly don't.
SmoothOperator
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EU is so much a threat and a counter-power to the US that Obama and all his predecessors have called for more EU and more Federalism : LOL.
EU is joke instigated by Monnet and Schuman two well-know American agents.
EU is joke instigated by Monnet and Schuman two well-know American agents.
Please explain what part of the EU is undemocratic.
So none of these questions even came up during the build-up to the referendum? That seems kinda nuts to me.
Do any English people actually remember being taught about the way the EU works in school at all?
Cause I am wracking my brain and we got taught what the EU was, that it existed but I cannot remember a single lesson about how the EU system works
Now, this was what 15 years ago or thereabouts for me, so obviously not going to remember everything, but have more recent pupils ever had any lessons on the inner workings of the EU?
Cause I am wracking my brain and we got taught what the EU was, that it existed but I cannot remember a single lesson about how the EU system works
Now, this was what 15 years ago or thereabouts for me, so obviously not going to remember everything, but have more recent pupils ever had any lessons on the inner workings of the EU?
To Leave the European Union. You might have seen the question on a ballot paper recently.
Corbyn is well-meaning but he's just a stubborn old man. Going on a chat show and saying he was "7.5 out of 10" in favour of staying in the EU was just pure selfishness, he didn't really give a shit and wasn't willing to put on a smile and get behind Remain with enthusiasm. He's not willing to yield to anyone else's opinion, even if it's the opinion of his party's MPs.
I genuinely think that if Ed Miliband was still Labour leader, Remain would have won. There was simply no leadership from Corbyn, if you cannot even make your party's position understood to it's members, you have failed utterly. He would not survive the maelstrom of a general election, he refuses to play the game and ends up being utterly irrelevant. At least Miliband put himself out there and tried to absorb the blows. Corbyn just hides.
Of course they came up. Leave just didn't give any answers, yet they won anyway. TAKE BACK CONTROL was super effective on Daily Mail readers.
Nicola Sturgeon reminds me of a fly, she just keeps buzzing around and annoying people....it has been said multiple times the EU wont recognise them unless they legally get a referendum, and the Goverment has all ready said no..
and there is no guarantee she would even win another indy ref
and there is no guarantee she would even win another indy ref
I no longer felt English during the last general election, but this has certainly cemented it.
I'm out of here when I get a chance because this place is beyond saving.
Very, very much so.
To be honest one of the only good things about this is in the short term the UK government has completely collapsed and is currently a dysfunctional mess. So, for example, you have to suspect in the short term some of their crazy censorship law proposals will go away.
As Article 50 (4) outlines, the 27 EU member states negotiate among themselves before they take the agreed upon proposal to the UK for further negotiations. That itself will take a while, hence there's really no reason for the UK not to invoke Article 50, other than Cameron not wanting to actually be responsible for that, perhaps.
The EU will either a) pressure Cameron to invoke Article 50, b) find a way to invoke Article 50 based on the referendum and comments made by Cameron yesterday or c) start the process unofficially and behind closed doors. Make no mistake, though, the process will start on Tuesday.
But that doesn't even mean anything.
We are still going to influenced by the EU. And now there is going to be years of infighting about what that arrangement will be.
Great that you want to fuck all of us over because of your views of the EU. You are a despicable person, honestly.
Ravensmash
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Nope.
As a population, we're not really exposed the actual workings of the European Union.
Talking to a friend of mine who voted Leave. He was asking why I felt so strongly about Remain and explained to him about how it's a Tory power play in disguise, how Leave campaign had no guarantees or a manifesto on what happens after we leave etc. I then asked him what he thought about the lies that were exposed, the £350m not going to the NHS after all, the fact that the tone of the freedom of movement has changed after the vote, how they mislead people so that they're not getting what was promised because they knew it benefited the campaign. His response?
"For what it's worth I paid no attention to what was said so to me I wasn't lied to"
Fucking what?!
"For what it's worth I paid no attention to what was said so to me I wasn't lied to"
Fucking what?!
What do you expect them to be doing? Boris isn't prime minister, and Farage isn't even an MP. They are under no obligation to do anything under their current roles. They've campaigned for making a very serious issue someone else's problem to deal with.
Audioboxer
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*I have big wishes Scotland shutup and just continue to be England's BITCH in this United Kingdom, forever*
Sorry bro. Nicola's going to get that 2nd ref done, and there is a reasonable chance we vote to leave you. Especially if the EU do grant at least discussions about keeping us.
The problem is he swept to power because of his different stance on issues, so Labour voters knew what they were getting, no point now bemoaning it, as they got what they wanted
Darkstorne
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... Except it really isn't. The promise was for a second referendum to be allowed specifically if the UK voted to leave the EU against the will of Scotland's people. That is exactly what has happened, so there is nothing Westminster can do to prevent a second referendum.
watching from America, it looks to me like all this is all a lot of politicking that has gone wrong. It appears the leave side never actually expected to win, that their loss was supposed to be strategic. And judging from reactions, it looks like everyone wants a do-over.
The SNP made a promise they had no legal power to implement.
Sumio Mondo
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Well, to be fair, the EU themselves at least are admitting they need to reform now. This was a sort of wake up call for them.
Mr. Giggles
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The Tory infighting has now taken over the entire country, Leavers and Remainers will be trading blows for the next 50 years.
Cheers, Dave.
Party members might have got what they wanted but their traditional voters certainly didn't. Is there any point in having a leader that the public don't listen to?
Exactly. Europe is not the same as the EU. A mixup people unfortunately keep making.
I find it also highly amusing that there suddenly are developments for a 'EU of two speeds'. There will be talks about that soon with the founding countries. Apparently changes are possible after all.
Dorsal Axe
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It sounds like it's going to be 'use it or lose it' situation. Wouldn't be surprised if the government just let it quietly drop out, then turn around to the public and spin it as "due to the current economic climate, we're postponing the invocation of Article 50 until...blah blah blah...pending second referendum...blah blah blah". Cameron's resignation and refusal to invoke Article 50 is a rather smart play from him, though. He's managed to throw a spanner in the works, and as another poster said, prevented himself from being used to sweep Boris/whoever to power. In fact, the new PM's chances at the next election will be much shakier, since everything that will happen with the withdrawal is entirely on them now.
I agree the current result equates to "no consensus", and should be put to another vote. But honestly, the EU is fed up of us at this point. They've bent over backwards for us for decades, and we continue to whinge, and moan, and complain we're hard done by at every turn. This rejection is basically spitting in their face. They're sick of our shit, and quite happy for us to stop bothering them now. They will not wait for us. They want to move on.
Why do you care?
You got yours, let Scotland get theirs.
Boris Johnson is essentially in absolute shock.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit
formasymphonic
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On a semi related side note, did you know that you can join the Conservative party for £25 (for a years membership) and after 3 months vote in their leadership elections.
I am tempted to do this solely to vote against Boris. I really don't want him as PM, but then I have to ask myself - who else from the lot would I want to pick?
Osbourne?
May?
Gove?
Crabb?
I'll have to think for a while on that one for who is the lesser evil.
I am tempted to do this solely to vote against Boris. I really don't want him as PM, but then I have to ask myself - who else from the lot would I want to pick?
Osbourne?
May?
Gove?
Crabb?
I'll have to think for a while on that one for who is the lesser evil.
I watched Sturgeon's speech live on tv and I really like her. What a difference of class between her and the future UK leaders. I really hope Scotland gets the chance to join the EU, we need countries who value humanity.
As for UK, at this point it's like the girlfriend who breaks everything in the house shouting "I hate you and your friends and I'm leaving you" while slamming the door on her way out only to realize once she is the other side of the door that she didn't think this through and has no place to go now so she comes back in and says "I still hate you but I will live in your flat a bit more and there's nothing you can do".
Own your decisions and don't fuck up also the rest of the continent.
As for UK, at this point it's like the girlfriend who breaks everything in the house shouting "I hate you and your friends and I'm leaving you" while slamming the door on her way out only to realize once she is the other side of the door that she didn't think this through and has no place to go now so she comes back in and says "I still hate you but I will live in your flat a bit more and there's nothing you can do".
Own your decisions and don't fuck up also the rest of the continent.
I really hope that if anything good comes out of this, this kind of campaigning is illegal in the future. Too late for this one.
Boris is almost certainly going to be leader of the Torys at some point. Him being PM now would be good because we'd have him for less of a term and due to the situation, he'll look so shit he'll be voted or forced out.
If we got him while we were recovering, we might be fucked for even longer.
agreed, but they get the go ahead from Westminster (which she most likely wont) so it is like the annoying protester at the back of the crowd with a sign and wont shut up....
We heard you, your'e not happy....
I notice she did not say to her parliament, lets denounce the referendum and refuse to vote...
All these people saying Britain was great before the EU needs to learn history. This is the 21St century and Britain doesn't have colonial estates around the world to pillage so they best be sure what they are trying to say. Is Britain suddenly going to up manufacturing to out compete China? Or would British citizens suddenly accept penny wages to work in factories which causes pollution? Also all those workers rights that's been enjoyed is one of the first things the conservatives will get rid of, I don't think people really considered the pain of what they asked for
Because all they can do is accept EU terms that are worse than what we have now. That's what they don't want to tell the public. Idiots.
SymbiantXenos
Member
Double standards by leave voters expecting a country that 100% voted to remain in the eu to not have another indyref.
There was a vote to leave the eu. Deal with its concequences.
There was a vote to leave the eu. Deal with its concequences.
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