Mister Wolf
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The QM8 is superior to the U7K. The QM8 and U8K trade blows in different categories. Can't go wrong with either.
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To OLED, or not to OLED
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The QM8 is superior to the U7K. The QM8 and U8K trade blows in different categories. Can't go wrong with either.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
They are still around 1000 nits max.
But I sumy get bright room issue either.
I have c1 and during the day I use it at 120 nits in sdr when browsing the internet and I can see everything.
Idk maybe people have it under direct sunlight
b0uncyfr0
Member
Depends on several factors:
- Pricing
- Availability
- Brightness of the TV area (dark bedroom room or lounge room etc)
- Sunlight level (to combat glare etc)
- Gaming
If youre in a sunny country, an older OLED might not be optimal
. Its perfect for a dimly look room though.
- Pricing
- Availability
- Brightness of the TV area (dark bedroom room or lounge room etc)
- Sunlight level (to combat glare etc)
- Gaming
If youre in a sunny country, an older OLED might not be optimal
. Its perfect for a dimly look room though.
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grumpyGamer
Member
I just bought a LG oled c3, 77inch for gaming and movies.
I dont watch conventional tv and its my first oled, i am a bit worried about burn in, here where i live there is no warranty on burn in whatsoever.
Hope it was a good biy, it arrives this week
I dont watch conventional tv and its my first oled, i am a bit worried about burn in, here where i live there is no warranty on burn in whatsoever.
Hope it was a good biy, it arrives this week
MadchesterManc
Member
Shouldn't need to worry. I've been using mine with PC & Plex for the past two years and I'm still waiting for the burn in everyone says will happen with high PC usage
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
The steam deck oled and hdr is so damn nice.
My TV is a 55” QLED from Samsung and the HDR is always a burden. Rarely looks good in games.
TV does look good but requires closing the shades.
I don’t see myself upgrading until it breaks since it’s 4K and gaming mode goes to 120fps.
My TV is a 55” QLED from Samsung and the HDR is always a burden. Rarely looks good in games.
TV does look good but requires closing the shades.
I don’t see myself upgrading until it breaks since it’s 4K and gaming mode goes to 120fps.
Bojji
Member
Consoles have the same HDR quality, but you can't do shit when game doesn't support it - on PC there is auto hdr (super limited on xbox), RTX hdr and various reshade mods etc.
HDR quality is pretty much in hands of developers and your panel quality, on OLED games can look amazing and most games are better with HDR but there are examples where HDR looks like shit (thanks to incompetence from devs).
SteadyEvo
Member
Coming from an older midrange Samsung LCD, Sony X85j, 32 Samsung 4k qled, and a $200 insignia 4k and can safely say it’s worth it.
Got a LG C3 42in and it feels like I’ve been gaming in the Stone Age and can finally see clearly. The butter smooth framerate will take getting used to and the colors pop off the screen.
The max brightness is a bit low but the level of detail along with the frame rate make up for it. And I ended up turning mine down to 80 and enabling the blue light feature to darken the screen about for late night, no light session. Found myself playing and appreciating all the work that went into crafting this game environment.
I don’t think I’ll ever go back to LCD
Got a LG C3 42in and it feels like I’ve been gaming in the Stone Age and can finally see clearly. The butter smooth framerate will take getting used to and the colors pop off the screen.
The max brightness is a bit low but the level of detail along with the frame rate make up for it. And I ended up turning mine down to 80 and enabling the blue light feature to darken the screen about for late night, no light session. Found myself playing and appreciating all the work that went into crafting this game environment.
I don’t think I’ll ever go back to LCD
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I have never seen any flicker on my M27QP Nano-IPS LCD VRR monitor, however, I was planning to buy an OLED monitor in the future and this VRR flicker worries me. They recommend turning off VRR, but IMO it's not ideal option because there will be input lag (capping the fps a little below the max refresh rate on VRR display removes the VSYNC input lag).
Guys do you see this VRR flicker on your OLEDs? I wonder if this OLED VRR flickering is still visible when framerate is not fluctuating so much, for example when playing at locked fps (using RTSS cap), because the example in this video (drops from 100fps to 10fps) is not common during normal gameplay (only loading screens have such a huge fluctuation). For example I like to play at 167 fps lock on my 170Hz VRR monitor, and I also run some more demanding games at 60fps lock. Will there be any VRR flicker in such situations?
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yeah my c1 obviously flickers with vrr.
It is only a thing on shadow/grey areas with rapid framerate changes. It's different gamma curve for each HZ. I even recorded it when changing fps
tbh I don't notice it almost at all. Only on some broken pc games that jump fps during loading or something.
or on old xbox app which ran at any fps you moved the mouse lol
normally not an issue
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Thank you. It seems they have exaggerated the problem.
Mozart36
Neo Member
It is not that they exaggerated the problem, it is more like they show extreme cases. In the vid you can see them showing wild framerate fluctuations, which are not that common during gameplay. I have an OLED monitor and I only see that for exmaple on the game loading screens, where fps is usually jumping like crazy. During games it is practically non existant. Of course there are times where you can see that in games too, like Dragons Dogma 2, which was poorly optimized and especially in the cities it was rough sometimes (but still bearable). If you have the money, I would say go for it and buy an OLED. You won't be disappointed.
Diddy X
Member
Don't worry, burn in is pretty much fixed in c3 tvs.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Burn in risk, darker image(newer ones kinda solved it?), screen glare in bright enviroment.. I'll wait for cheaper mini-led options from lg or samsung.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I have 8-9 thousand hours on my lg c1 48" as a ps5 and pc monitor.
no burn out and I disabled safety measures 5k hours ago (tpc and gsr, not on c3)
Shake Your Rump
Member
Same here. Even my Sony a95k will show it on some loading or menu screens. I’ve never seen it during actual gameplay.
Luipadre
Member
I do on my monitor. Depends on the games and their performance. Some games you dont notice, but some are really bad. I think its tied to framepacing and fluctating fps. For example in helldivers 2 or the finals i never notice the flicker
Xtib81
Member
Screen glare in a bright environment is a thing no matter which tech you're using.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
I don't have that issue with my 10 years old lcd.
King Dazzar
Member
Uneven pixel wear will happen. Its just a question of when. If its not for 10years, then great. And I have no doubt that use case will have an impact too.
I remember when the 2018 sets came out, no one was getting the issues we had with the likes of the C7 (I went through 2 panels). And for a few years everyone was saying burn in was resolved. But these days I've seen many more burn in related reports. My 2019 set is still gong strong, but that too has shown more issues as time goes on. At this moment in time I'd be more worried about QD-OLED than a C3. But I'd still be very mindful of prolonged HUD's and static elements. For me I feel its common sense if you want to get the most life out of one.
Bojji
Member
Flicker will be there on most monitors/tvs with high contrast so OLED and VA panels will be affected. On my B2 flicker was super minimal and almost exclusive to loading screens (when framerate jumps between low and high valuses) but obviosly LG had to fuck something up and latest firmware introduced VRR gamma shift in HDR mode (SDR mode is like before). I have contacted LG Europe and LG PL (they are making tvs here) and I hope they will fix this shit in the next FW update. In the meantime here are the solutions that should work on all panels:
- keep framerate at refresh rate, flicker will only appear when framerate drops below that but at least there won't be stuttering (typical for vrr off). If you can't keep up with maximum framerate set it to lower value so: 120Hz, 100Hz, 60Hz (and 240 etc. for monitors).
- flicker free solution that works surprisingly great: 60Hz output have much bigger input lag than 120hz so use 120Hz, turn off Gsync for the game you play and limit framerate to 60 using RTSS - with that you get flicker free image with very low input lag. Every frame will be displayed 2x.
If I knew what would happen I wouldn't "upgrade" firmware but here we are
GriffinCorp
Member
Last night I setup my first OLED, I was able to get a good deal on a new LG 77" C3 and I'm a believer of the hype. I was able to turn on all the video options for the Xbox Series X and wow I've been missing out for years. COD was great and I liked to 120HZ/FPS option with Game Mode.
I've heard that most of the major burn in has been fixed. That is still my main concern but so many on GAF have played tons of hours on their sets without issues. So I'm not that worried about it.
A few weeks back I ordered the Aliens 4K Blu-ray and man that looked amazing on OLED. We watched it on FilmMaker Mode but I will do more research on which sets I should be using.
I've heard that most of the major burn in has been fixed. That is still my main concern but so many on GAF have played tons of hours on their sets without issues. So I'm not that worried about it.
A few weeks back I ordered the Aliens 4K Blu-ray and man that looked amazing on OLED. We watched it on FilmMaker Mode but I will do more research on which sets I should be using.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I always keep my framerate 2-3fps below my max refresh rate (I'm using RTSS to cap framerate, because that's the only way to mitigate vsync input lag. OLEDs will still flicker in situation like that?Flicker will be there on most monitors/tvs with high contrast so OLED and VA panels will be affected. On my B2 flicker was super minimal and almost exclusive to loading screens (when framerate jumps between low and high valuses) but obviosly LG had to fuck something up and latest firmware introduced VRR gamma shift in HDR mode (SDR mode is like before). I have contacted LG Europe and LG PL (they are making tvs here) and I hope they will fix this shit in the next FW update. In the meantime here are the solutions that should work on all panels:
- keep framerate at refresh rate, flicker will only appear when framerate drops below that but at least there won't be stuttering (typical for vrr off). If you can't keep up with maximum framerate set it to lower value so: 120Hz, 100Hz, 60Hz (and 240 etc. for monitors).
- flicker free solution that works surprisingly great: 60Hz output have much bigger input lag than 120hz so use 120Hz, turn off Gsync for the game you play and limit framerate to 60 using RTSS - with that you get flicker free image with very low input lag. Every frame will be displayed 2x.
If I knew what would happen I wouldn't "upgrade" firmware but here we are
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Bojji
Member
Before this fucking firmware update I did exactly the same thing and it worked really well but now everything between 60 and 119FPS/Hz looks really bad in darker scenes.
I think most displays should work like my tv before the update so stable framerate should be mostly fine, if you can hit that ~115FPS (this is the cap reflex put so ~5FPS is below refresh is probably the best) most of the time it will look ok.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Mini LED will have a short future.. And that's a good thing (better tech incoming).
Micro LED will get there I guess
, and Interestingly several VR headsets already has 3000-5000 nits (TCL recently demoed a 10 000 nits micro-OLED display btw) 4K micro-LED panels as standard.
HOWEVER, what's on "everyone's" mind right now as a likely real contender for a new display standard is QDEL technology (Sharp). It was shown behind closed doors at CES. It's basically a self-emissive quantum dot layer (QD has until now been absorb-->re- emit). It seems a lot more promising than micro-OLED because it requires relatively small scale factory retooling. Which means it should be able to provide all the micro-OLED advantages for a much much lower price. And there's more good news: It's basically ready to go. All we need is for contracts to be written..
Micro LED will get there I guess
, and Interestingly several VR headsets already has 3000-5000 nits (TCL recently demoed a 10 000 nits micro-OLED display btw) 4K micro-LED panels as standard.
HOWEVER, what's on "everyone's" mind right now as a likely real contender for a new display standard is QDEL technology (Sharp). It was shown behind closed doors at CES. It's basically a self-emissive quantum dot layer (QD has until now been absorb-->re- emit). It seems a lot more promising than micro-OLED because it requires relatively small scale factory retooling. Which means it should be able to provide all the micro-OLED advantages for a much much lower price. And there's more good news: It's basically ready to go. All we need is for contracts to be written..
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Jinzo Prime
Member
I saw the digital trends video on QDEL early this year, but have been unable to find out much more about it since. Do we have anymore info about it? It is my most anticipated display technology in a long time.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Should use 10 but you can use 12 it just uses up more HDMI/DP bandwidth.
Hoddi
Member
I've been using an OLED monitor for the past year (AW3423DWF) and I wouldn't sweat over it. It's very much a real phenomenon but it's not something that you notice outside of complete edge cases.
People blow it out of proportion and you shouldn't worry about it. It's not a thing that actually matters while you're using the monitor.
manfestival
Member
VRR flicker has been a real pain for my eyes since I got my OLED. I love the panel but it seems like my only solution has been to turn off gsync. Though it seems annoying to pay for such a panel to have to disable one of the main features.
DryvBy
Member
My wife leaves Wheel of Fortune running on ours almost all day and has for months thanks to Pluto TV. I haven't had a single issue on a 2023 Bravia OLED.
buenoblue
Member
I don't see VRR flicker but when I switch between VRR on and off there is a very noticeable dip in HDR brightness, especially the HDR highlights.
I have Samsung S95B OLED. Anyone noticed brightness dipping on HDR with VRR on with Sony or LG oleds?
It's not a deal breaker but I've searched online and can't find any info on this. I'm mainly using PS5.
I have Samsung S95B OLED. Anyone noticed brightness dipping on HDR with VRR on with Sony or LG oleds?
It's not a deal breaker but I've searched online and can't find any info on this. I'm mainly using PS5.
Bojji
Member
Nor really but there are also not any benefits, 10 bits is realistically what current tvs can show (most of them) and majority of content is 8 bits (SDR) or 10 bits (HDR).
With Nvidia when set to automatic it outputs 8 bits in SDR or 10 in HDR but you can force anything you want.