Mister Wolf
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QM8 I believe.
The QM8 is superior to the U7K. The QM8 and U8K trade blows in different categories. Can't go wrong with either.
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QM8 I believe.
They are still around 1000 nits max.I haven’t seen newer oled panels, but wouldn’t the newer much brighter ones not have much of in issue in a brighter room? I could understand some older sub 1000 nit oled tv not being enough (I use my LG CX in a very dark room).
I just bought a LG oled c3, 77inch for gaming and movies.
I dont watch conventional tv and its my first oled, i am a bit worried about burn in, here where i live there is no warranty on burn in whatsoever.
Hope it was a good biy, it arrives this week
Maybe it's console HDR that's bad because I play on PC and HDR is usually great.
I have never seen any flicker on my M27QP Nano-IPS LCD VRR monitor, however, I was planning to buy an OLED monitor in the future and this VRR flicker worries me. They recommend turning off VRR, but IMO it's not ideal option because there will be input lag (capping the fps a little below the max refresh rate on VRR display removes the VSYNC input lag).
Guys do you see this VRR flicker on your OLEDs? I wonder if this OLED VRR flickering is still visible when my frame rate is not fluctuating so much, for example when playing at locked fps (using RTSS cap), because the example in this video (drops from 100fps to 10fps) is not common during normal gameplay (only loading screens have such a huge fluctuation). For example I like to play at 167 fps lock on my 170Hz VRR monitor, and I also run some more demanding games at 60fps lock. Will there be any VRR flicker in such situations?
yeah my c1 obviously flickers with vrr.
It is only a thing on shadow/grey areas with rapid framerate changes. It's different gamma curve for each HZ. I even recorded it when changing fps
tbh I don't notice it almost at all. Only on some broken pc games that jump fps during loading or something.
or on old xbox app which ran at any fps you moved the mouse lol
normally not an issue
It is not that they exaggerated the problem, it is more like they show extreme cases. In the vid you can see them showing wild framerate fluctuations, which are not that common during gameplay. I have an OLED monitor and I only see that for exmaple on the game loading screens, where fps is usually jumping like crazy. During games it is practically non existant. Of course there are times where you can see that in games too, like Dragons Dogma 2, which was poorly optimized and especially in the cities it was rough sometimes (but still bearable). If you have the money, I would say go for it and buy an OLED. You won't be disappointed.Thank you. It seems they have exaggerated the problem.
I just bought a LG oled c3, 77inch for gaming and movies.
I dont watch conventional tv and its my first oled, i am a bit worried about burn in, here where i live there is no warranty on burn in whatsoever.
Hope it was a good biy, it arrives this week
I have 8-9 thousand hours on my lg c1 48" as a ps5 and pc monitor.I just bought a LG oled c3, 77inch for gaming and movies.
I dont watch conventional tv and its my first oled, i am a bit worried about burn in, here where i live there is no warranty on burn in whatsoever.
Hope it was a good biy, it arrives this week
Same here. Even my Sony a95k will show it on some loading or menu screens. I’ve never seen it during actual gameplay.I have an OLED monitor and I only see that for exmaple on the game loading screens
I have never seen any flicker on my M27QP Nano-IPS LCD VRR monitor, however, I was planning to buy an OLED monitor in the future and this VRR flicker worries me. They recommend turning off VRR, but IMO it's not ideal option because there will be input lag (capping the fps a little below the max refresh rate on VRR display removes the VSYNC input lag).
Guys do you see this VRR flicker on your OLEDs? I wonder if this OLED VRR flickering is still visible when framerate is not fluctuating so much, for example when playing at locked fps (using RTSS cap), because the example in this video (drops from 100fps to 10fps) is not common during normal gameplay (only loading screens have such a huge fluctuation). For example I like to play at 167 fps lock on my 170Hz VRR monitor, and I also run some more demanding games at 60fps lock. Will there be any VRR flicker in such situations?
Burn in risk, darker image(newer ones kinda solved it?), screen glare in bright enviroment.. I'll wait for cheaper mini-led options from lg or samsung.
I don't have that issue with my 10 years old lcd.Screen glare in a bright environment is a thing no matter which tech you're using.
Uneven pixel wear will happen. Its just a question of when. If its not for 10years, then great. And I have no doubt that use case will have an impact too.Don't worry, burn in is pretty much fixed in c3 tvs.
I have never seen any flicker on my M27QP Nano-IPS LCD VRR monitor, however, I was planning to buy an OLED monitor in the future and this VRR flicker worries me. They recommend turning off VRR, but IMO it's not ideal option because there will be input lag (capping the fps a little below the max refresh rate on VRR display removes the VSYNC input lag).
Guys do you see this VRR flicker on your OLEDs? I wonder if this OLED VRR flickering is still visible when framerate is not fluctuating so much, for example when playing at locked fps (using RTSS cap), because the example in this video (drops from 100fps to 10fps) is not common during normal gameplay (only loading screens have such a huge fluctuation). For example I like to play at 167 fps lock on my 170Hz VRR monitor, and I also run some more demanding games at 60fps lock. Will there be any VRR flicker in such situations?
I always keep my framerate 2-3fps below my max refresh rate (I'm using RTSS to cap framerate, because that's the only way to mitigate vsync input lag. OLEDs will still flicker in situation like that?Flicker will be there on most monitors/tvs with high contrast so OLED and VA panels will be affected. On my B2 flicker was super minimal and almost exclusive to loading screens (when framerate jumps between low and high valuses) but obviosly LG had to fuck something up and latest firmware introduced VRR gamma shift in HDR mode (SDR mode is like before). I have contacted LG Europe and LG PL (they are making tvs here) and I hope they will fix this shit in the next FW update. In the meantime here are the solutions that should work on all panels:
- keep framerate at refresh rate, flicker will only appear when framerate drops below that but at least there won't be stuttering (typical for vrr off). If you can't keep up with maximum framerate set it to lower value so: 120Hz, 100Hz, 60Hz (and 240 etc. for monitors).
- flicker free solution that works surprisingly great: 60Hz output have much bigger input lag than 120hz so use 120Hz, turn off Gsync for the game you play and limit framerate to 60 using RTSS - with that you get flicker free image with very low input lag. Every frame will be displayed 2x.
If I knew what would happen I wouldn't "upgrade" firmware but here we are
I always keep my framerate 2-3fps below my max refresh rate (I'm using RTSS to cap framerate, because that's the only way to mitigate vsync input lag. OLEDs will still flicker in situation like that?
Mini LED will have a short future.. And that's a good thing (better tech incoming).
Micro LED will get there I guess
, and Interestingly several VR headsets already has 3000-5000 nits (TCL recently demoed a 10 000 nits micro-OLED display btw) 4K micro-LED panels as standard.
HOWEVER, what's on "everyone's" mind right now as a likely real contender for a new display standard is QDEL technology (Sharp). It was shown behind closed doors at CES. It's basically a self-emissive quantum dot layer (QD has until now been absorb-->re- emit). It seems a lot more promising than micro-OLED because it requires relatively small scale factory retooling. Which means it should be able to provide all the micro-OLED advantages for a much much lower price. And there's more good news: It's basically ready to go. All we need is for contracts to be written..
Should use 10 but you can use 12 it just uses up more HDMI/DP bandwidth.I got a lg c2 oled screen, i use it as a pc monitor.
Are there negative effects of putting 12 bpc on over 8?
I have never seen any flicker on my M27QP Nano-IPS LCD VRR monitor, however, I was planning to buy an OLED monitor in the future and this VRR flicker worries me. They recommend turning off VRR, but IMO it's not ideal option because there will be input lag (capping the fps a little below the max refresh rate on VRR display removes the VSYNC input lag).
Guys do you see this VRR flicker on your OLEDs? I wonder if this OLED VRR flickering is still visible when framerate is not fluctuating so much, for example when playing at locked fps (using RTSS cap), because the example in this video (drops from 100fps to 10fps) is not common during normal gameplay (only loading screens have such a huge fluctuation). For example I like to play at 167 fps lock on my 170Hz VRR monitor, and I also run some more demanding games at 60fps lock. Will there be any VRR flicker in such situations?
My wife leaves Wheel of Fortune running on ours almost all day and has for months thanks to Pluto TV. I haven't had a single issue on a 2023 Bravia OLED.I just bought a LG oled c3, 77inch for gaming and movies.
I dont watch conventional tv and its my first oled, i am a bit worried about burn in, here where i live there is no warranty on burn in whatsoever.
Hope it was a good biy, it arrives this week
I got a lg c2 oled screen, i use it as a pc monitor.
Are there negative effects of putting 12 bpc on over 8?
That does seem a little low for full screen but that 5k nits is pretty sexy sounding to meI ended up preordering the Bravia 9 because while the 5000 nits peak is very impressive, full window peaks at 600 nits according to an article I read. My four year old Sony FALD can do more than that on full window, so that was disappointing to read. As bright as the U9N gets in 10% windows or less, the moment a flashbang happens in my gaming sessions, the U9N would have a white screen that would be slightly duller compared to what I already own. That’s a dealbreaker since I want every aspect to be an improvement if I’m throwing out thousands for a TV several years later. The X95L from last year hit 766 nits full window sustained and so the Bravia 9 should get close to the coveted 1000 nits with near 4000 nits for the smaller windows. I need a higher floor more than I need a higher ceiling in my viewing conditions.
“Brightness with a fullscreen white test pattern in the same mode was 600 nits, a result that also bests Samsung’s flagship TV. On other tests, the 75-inch U9N managed a very impressive 99.3% coverage of the UHDA-P3 color gamut and 82% of the BT.2020 color gamut, and a measured input lag of 15.2ms when in Game mode. That level of input lag isn’t the best we’ve measured – some of the best gaming TVs clock in under 10ms – but it’s still considered good enough.”
Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle...und-too-samsung-should-be-worried/ar-AA1o8RHp
I have never seen any flicker on my M27QP Nano-IPS LCD VRR monitor, however, I was planning to buy an OLED monitor in the future and this VRR flicker worries me. They recommend turning off VRR, but IMO it's not ideal option because there will be input lag (capping the fps a little below the max refresh rate on VRR display removes the VSYNC input lag).
Guys do you see this VRR flicker on your OLEDs? I wonder if this OLED VRR flickering is still visible when framerate is not fluctuating so much, for example when playing at locked fps (using RTSS cap), because the example in this video (drops from 100fps to 10fps) is not common during normal gameplay (only loading screens have such a huge fluctuation). For example I like to play at 167 fps lock on my 170Hz VRR monitor, and I also run some more demanding games at 60fps lock. Will there be any VRR flicker in such situations?
I got to see the U8N and even that TV was pretty impressive and Best Buy has the 75” for $1999 and had an open box there for $200 off and I think that’s an insanely good TV for that priceBravia 9 vs UX or U9N should be good.
Some oleds can be brighter than led tech.