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[Demoskinos]

agendas! he said the secret word!

Okay, this whole thread has been worth it for that moment. Golden.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

That's not the point here.

The point is this announcement is coincidentally coming very close to the release of Hatred. So basically, Twitch is saying you can't stream Hatred without actually saying you can't stream Hatred.

It's not their choice not to allow it that bothers me the most. It's how they're being sneaky with it and trying to pretend its for the greater good.

Sorry, I wasnt trying to make a point. Just wanted to know for curiosity really.

Now... I didnt know about this Hatred. I'll check it now!

 

[aeolist]

You're being purposefully obtuse if you are ignoring the notion that this could potentially be completely agenda-driven.

i have to know what you think their agenda is

 

[Demoskinos]

Which is exactly a point I made earlier in the thread.

I just feel like Twitch should be more up front and honest about their want to not have Hatred on their streaming service, and not try to sugar coat it. They should stick to their convictions.

I don't know how much more open and honest you can get then having a written out blog post and a list of banned games specifically written out for anyone in the public eye to see.

They literally have a banned games list which was already posted. I don't see how much more transparent you can get then straight up saying "Hey, you can't stream these games and here is a list."

 

[Northeastmonk]

While you're absolutely correct about this, and, obviously, as the service Twitch is well within their right to stop people streaming Pokemon if they wanted to -- it's still important to recognize that when a dominant player in an industry 'bans' stuff, it does actually have an impact. Just because its within their right, doesn't mean one can't take issue with it.

What's funny is how they feel about emulators right? Something that's such a gray area helps people raise money for organizations and charities. I realize a lot of them use the actual game, but half of the time I see them talking about which emulator they used to learn about the game.

All you have to do is maximize the screen and that rom is running. We all know there's Pokemon Roms out there.

 

[Kurdel]

What's funny is how they feel about emulators right? Something that's such a gray area helps people raise money for organizations and charities. I realize a lot of them use the actual game, but half of the time I see them talking about which emulator they used to learn about the game.

All you have to do is maximize the screen and that rom is running. We all know there's Pokemon Roms out there.

From my understanding, as long as you have the physical cart, it is legal.

 

[Mihos]

You're being purposefully obtuse if you are ignoring the notion that this could potentially be completely agenda-driven.

Of course it is agenda driven, their agenda is to be mainstream and to have as much mass appeal as possible.

 

[Northeastmonk]

From my understanding, as long as you have the physical cart, it is legal.

I've heard it too. I've also seen Nintedo's official statement on their website concerning ROMs too.

Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#helping

 

[Realyn]

Of course it is agenda driven, their agenda is to be mainstream and to have as much mass appeal as possible.

Are you implying that they are a business trying to make as much money as possible? Madness! How dare they! It's my right to tell them what they are allowed to do and what not!

 

[Hari Seldon]

I don't ever really watch streams, but is there an uncensored gaming streaming site? I wouldn't mind visiting that.

 

[Sephzilla]

Just throwing this out there for the sake of discussion. Why cant AO game streams just be behind a mature content filter?

 

[Pathfinder]

i have to know what you think their agenda is

Probably nothing more specific than they don't approve of the content of the game, which is only mildly hypocritical considering the number of streams they have, and advertising revenue they receive, for other explicit games.

EDIT: Fixed a mistype.

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

Just throwing this out there for the sake of discussion. Why cant AO game streams just be behind a mature content filter?

that's not good enough for advertisers.

people who want to stream adult content just tell their followers who wish to see it to go to their Ustream channel. or they just stream it on twitch and fly under the radar.

 

[aeolist]

Probably nothing more specific than they don't approve of the content of the game, which is only mildly hypothetical considering the number of streams they have and advertising revenue they receive for other explicit games.

did you mean hypocritical there?

 

[Messofanego]

I don't ever really watch streams, but is there an uncensored gaming streaming site? I wouldn't mind visiting that.

Dude, just go watch some porn.

 

[Pathfinder]

did you mean hypocritical there?

Yes, sorry. typing too fast. Fixed.

 

[QaaQer]

Probably nothing more specific than they don't approve of the content of the game, which is only mildly hypothetical considering the number of streams they have, and advertising revenue they receive, for other explicit games.

their agenda is money. having content that would make nice headlines and stir controversy would hurt the Amazon/Twitch brands, which is something they attach a monetary value to. It is the same reason Walmart has never stocked porn even though it would be profitable.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Dude, just go watch some porn.

I want an example of an uncensored video game streaming site like everyone seems to say exists.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Just wondering, does twitch stop people from playing that one hate game (the one where you get points for killing people who have gay sexual preferences or transgender people(I hope this is the correct way to label the word, usually i just reference everyone as him/her(whatever they like me to call them) since i think that was unrated?

 

[mnz]

Dude, just go watch some porn.

Just stream your Hatred play to a porn streaming site. Problem solved!

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

There's a very fine line between "not participating" and "rejecting".

There's no point in a semantics debate. Twitch did not want to be involved in thing. That does not constitute censorship.

 

[Harlequin]

This doesn't even approach censorship. People are just getting mad on principle here. Hey, I just woke up on this fine Thursday morning what can I be outraged by today? They never allowed AO games before this this just makes it extremely public and official.

Oh, they already censored their users' conent beforehand? That makes it perfectly fine, of course.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

I just feel like Twitch should be more up front and honest about their want to not have Hatred on their streaming service, and not try to sugar coat it. They should stick to their convictions.

This isn't about Hatred and your obsession about that game is really creepy.

 

[Pathfinder]

Just throwing this out there for the sake of discussion. Why cant AO game streams just be behind a mature content filter?

That is a great question.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

That is a great question.

With a simple answer: mature content filters don't do jack shit. They fit ESRB requirements for many sites, but I suspect this decision is more directly related to their ongoing efforts to "clean up" Twitch in wake of being acquired by Amazon.

 

[G-Fex]

I want an example of an uncensored video game streaming site like everyone seems to say exists.

hitbox, then go to hitbox and have fun.

I mean if Hatred or AO hentai games mean that much, go for it.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

Adults Only games are verbotent, but borderline prostitution is still perfectly cool with Twitch:

Strange eh? Drawn boobs are a no-no but capitalizing on lonely people by offering to write their name on your body for a fee is all good. I won't try and say that girl shouldn't be allowed to do this since it's her choice, but realistically, it's hard to deny there is some sort of double standard and it's rather bizarre that it's the animated scenario that is the issue.

 

[Messofanego]

hitbox, then go to hitbox and have fun.

I mean if Hatred or AO hentai games mean that much, go for it.

For now. Hitbox already has pre-roll ads, the one right now is Jurassic World, so they're trying to get commercial promos. Once Hitbox starts making good money, it'll be the same. So watch all your "uncensored" gaming content right now before it's all gone!

 

[G-Fex]

For now. Hitbox already has pre-roll ads, the one right now is Jurassic World, so they're trying to get commercial promos. Once Hitbox starts making good money, it'll be the same. So watch all your "uncensored" gaming content right now before it's all gone!

That's fine, maybe they can go share some sort of dark corner on the internet along with idiots from Playroom broadcasting on PS4

 

[call_kotaku]

I believe twitch already has a "this stream is for mature audiences" filter, or atleast it used to.

Strange eh? Drawn boobs are a no-no but capitalizing on lonely people by offering to write their name on your body for a fee is all good. I won't try and say that girl shouldn't be allowed to do this since it's her choice, but realistically, it's hard to deny there is some sort of double standard and it's rather bizarre that it's the animated scenario that is the issue.

Because it isn't twitch making some sort of judgement on people's morality, it's about limiting what they could be legally liable for in case someone decides to sue. Now there's a rule on the books about Twitch not allowing AO-rated games, it isn't a question of them wanting to decide what people can see or even wanting to enforce it, it just means that if someone sues somebody Twitch (and Amazon) aren't liable.

 

[Demoskinos]

Oh, they already censored their users' conent beforehand? That makes it perfectly fine, of course.

It does actually.

 

[Leafhopper]

I want an example of an uncensored video game streaming site like everyone seems to say exists.

I don't know what magical site they are talking about either.

Honestly the only way I know of personally of streaming like Eroge VNs and other sexual material like that to people is using Steam's broadcasting and setting it to friends only.

hitbox, then go to hitbox and have fun.

I mean if Hatred or AO hentai games mean that much, go for it.

Sure for now but Hitbox will put some stuff in place eventually I am sure to stop this.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Strange eh? Drawn boobs are a no-no but capitalizing on lonely people by offering to write their name on your body for a fee is all good. I won't try and say that girl shouldn't be allowed to do this since it's her choice, but realistically, it's hard to deny there is some sort of double standard and it's rather bizarre that it's the animated scenario that is the issue.

I remember watching a stream on PS4 and this newly wed couple were just drinking and talking to people. The wife was reading all the comments like "take it off" and "show us your chest", etc etc

She danced, was about to do it, and then she stopped. She did a dance on the coffee table and showed everyone her underwear.

Now that was on UStream. Granted things like that could be considered worse than some AO games because it's 3D versus the real thing. There are cam sites out there for pete's sake and the consoles now have internet browsers. It's just people do it because they feel a rush or they are pleasing a crowd at the extent of their stream being banned. A lot of it is voyuer to me at least and probably helps people with fetishes. There's a lot to look at. A gorgeous streamer is pleasing without being completely nude. You're tempting them by spamming their chat with sexual messages.

 

[ieptbarakat]

I guess the mature content warning was not enough for some people.

 

[LPride]

I don't ever really watch streams, but is there an uncensored gaming streaming site? I wouldn't mind visiting that.

A Friend of mine was streaming Starless on hitbox and all that happened was that his stream was shadowbanned from showing up on the front page.

 

[Pathfinder]

I want an example of an uncensored video game streaming site like everyone seems to say exists.

When I made that claim, I was under the impression that YouTube was a valid option.

 

[Palette Swap]

lol @ the "censorship" brigade. Posting on a forum as heavily moderated as neogaf, of all places.

Given the very short list of games actually involved, the only practical effect I see is with GTA SA.

 

[LPride]

lol @ the "censorship" brigade. Posting on a forum as heavily moderated as neogaf, of all places.

Given the very short list of games actually involved, the only practical effect I see is with GTA SA.

What about the BMX XXX speedrun community?

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

I believe twitch already has a "this stream is for mature audiences" filter, or atleast it used to.


Because it isn't twitch making some sort of judgement on people's morality, it's about limiting what they could be legally liable for in case someone decides to sue. Now there's a rule on the books about Twitch not allowing AO-rated games, it isn't a question of them wanting to decide what people can see or even wanting to enforce it, it just means that if someone sues somebody Twitch (and Amazon) aren't liable.

Very good point. I suppose that essentially there could be a legal clusterfuck waiting around the corner that is something they don't really want to have to delve into. Being a game streaming service, keeping AO stuff away saves them from having to dive into a whole seperate load of legalities.

I remember watching a stream on PS4 and this newly wed couple were just drinking and talking to people. The wife was reading all the comments like "take it off" and "show us your chest", etc etc

She danced, was about to do it, and then she stopped. She did a dance on the coffee table and showed everyone her underwear.

Now that was on UStream. Granted things like that could be considered worse than some AO games because it's 3D versus the real thing. There are cam sites out there for pete's sake and the consoles now have internet browsers. It's just people do it because they feel a rush or they are pleasing a crowd at the extent of their stream being banned. A lot of it is voyuer to me at least and probably helps people with fetishes. There's a lot to look at. A gorgeous streamer is pleasing without being completely nude. You're tempting them by spamming their chat with sexual messages.

I agree, hence I believe the girl should be free to do what she wants when streaming. Hell I'd even argue that, whilst there does need to be a censorship element due to kids being a reasonable audience on the streaming sites and consoles, to stifle it completely is counter productive and overly censored. As you say it's essentially Voyuerism which is by no means a niche fetish and has a very broad appeal as fetishes go. It's of course healthy to explore those desires if so inclined. I'd never try to argue against such a thing at all.

I guess it's the direct comparison of that being ok but animated boobs are a no-no (in most cases). But after thinking about the involved legality, it makes a lot of sense and I think any of us in their position at Twitch would likely do the same.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

lol @ the "censorship" brigade. Posting on a forum as heavily moderated as neogaf, of all places.

Given the very short list of games actually involved, the only practical effect I see is with GTA SA.

Hatred doesn't even fall under the specific rules they defined.

But obviously Amazon is stewing in their corporate offices trying to figure out how to fuck over this one indie game made by a bunch of guys in Europe.

 

[Pathfinder]

Hatred doesn't even fall under the specific rules they defined.

But obviously Amazon is stewing in their corporate offices trying to figure out how to fuck over this one indie game made by a bunch of guys in Europe.

Just out of curiosity, why does it matter who made the game and where they come from?

 

[G-Fex]

Hatred doesn't even fall under the specific rules they defined.

But obviously Amazon is stewing in their corporate offices trying to figure out how to fuck over this one indie game made by a bunch of guys in Europe.

yes i'm sure it's a giant conspiracy

 

[Acorn]

Adults Only games are verbotent, but borderline prostitution is still perfectly cool with Twitch:

Capitalism!

 

[call_kotaku]

Just out of curiosity, why does it matter who made the game and where they come from?

It doesn't?

Why does that game in particular matter at all?

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

lol @ the "censorship" brigade. Posting on a forum as heavily moderated as neogaf, of all places.

Given the very short list of games actually involved, the only practical effect I see is with GTA SA.

I don't think I've ever seen the AO version of GTA SA streamed. Isn't the AO just because the glitch is possible and nothing else?

I've seen Manhunt 2 uncensored a few times. Chances are, they wouldn't even notice someone streaming that.

 

[Cyriades]

They can, just not on Twitch.

What's the other game streaming site? I'm switching

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

What's the other game streaming site? I'm switching

Ustream and Hitbox are uncensored I believe, but Ustream is more an all encompassing streaming site if I remember correctly

 

[Sylver]

It's their site their rules it's sad there aren't many alternatives.

 

[Cyriades]

Ustream and Hitbox are uncensored I believe, but Ustream is more an all "encompassing streaming site" if I remember correctly

What does that mean?

 

[Accoun]

What does that mean?

Not limited to gaming?

[EDIT]

·com·pass
(ĕn-kŭm′pəs)
tr.v. en·com·passed, en·com·pass·ing, en·com·pass·es
1. To form a circle or ring around; encircle.
2. To enclose; envelop: "The blackness of the eternal night encompassed me" (Edgar Allan Poe).
3. To have as part of something larger; include: a galaxy encompassing billions of stars. See Synonyms at include.