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[rofif]

You think your coworkers are representative of.......what again?

It is what it is. Most people I know consider nintendo stuff a crap for their kids.
I don't even see how is this surprising

 

[Topher]

It is what it is. Most people I know consider nintendo stuff a crap for their kids.
I don't even see how is this surprising

It isn't surprising if you are limiting your view of gamers to only people you know.

 

[rofif]

It isn't surprising if you are limiting your view of gamers to only people you know.

I realize that.
Also, Nintendo is not popular in Poland at all

 

[Stuart360]

No need for eveyone to pile on rofif (even though i also hate his 'i'm a PC gamer but hate PC gaming' schpeel lol). I kind of get what he means.
Some games that people might consider 'kids games' dont always do well on PC, especially compared to console. Sackboy did terrible on PC, Ratchet probably wont do much better. Hell Crash Team Racing didnt eevn get a PC release (i'm still annoyed lol) because the devs didnt think that kind of game would be viable on PC.

Of course there are a lot of us that do like those kind of games, but i think its a pretty fair statement to say that those kind of games will probably do better on console than on PC.

 

[Dream-Knife]

I don't like this.

Still this is smart move on Valve's part to keep Nintendo and its' gorillas happy. Probably a bad move to show the Yuzu emulator on that Steam Deck mock up.

Really don't want to bring this up, but it kinda begs the question why Retroarch is okay and this isn't.

Retroarch doesn't include decryption keys or bios. You have to add that yourself for cores that require it like PS2.

If dolphin would just release a version that requires you to use your own decyption keys (just like yuzu does), then the emulator is perfectly legal and nintendo can't do anything.

Beyond that, there’s no money in people emulating games. Wouldn’t you rather they buy games on your platform rather than enjoy something that doesn’t make you any money? There’s even a risk the customer may discover they like classic games better than some of the games you’re sellling

Valve is a private company that's worth billions. They literally don't care. Their services for everything make them the best choice for when you do want to buy games.

 

[Tams]

Well now we know why ms blocked emulators on Xbox lol, fuck ms,Nintendo and valve, emulation is 100% legal, even Nintendo uses emulation, they would have a hard time convincing any judge to conclude otherwise.

It's also 100% legal for them to block emulators in their ecosystems.

You're on Neogaf and therefore also presumably a full grown adult. If you want to emulate so badly, get a PC, or these days even just your phone or tablet.

 

[hyperbertha]

Emulation doesn't violate shit. I think it's rather extra generous that we even discuss and talk about their ban. Corporations that are trying to do this are doing criminal actions under the guise of law citing the selective interpretations of the law. If emulation is a crime Nintendo is a bigger criminal in this regard since they are emulating so many things that they never invented like computers, the way hard drives work, down to the fucking concrete which they use for building offices.

This software enables piracy of their games. Of course they don't want it on the largest marketplace of games.

 

[DevilHunterX0]

You don't mess with the House of Mouse or Nintendo' army of lawyers

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

Christ remind me never to use Jenner & Block - what an awful email.

 

[ReBurn]

Emulation doesn't violate shit. I think it's rather extra generous that we even discuss and talk about their ban. Corporations that are trying to do this are doing criminal actions under the guise of law citing the selective interpretations of the law. If emulation is a crime Nintendo is a bigger criminal in this regard since they are emulating so many things that they never invented like computers, the way hard drives work, down to the fucking concrete which they use for building offices.

Nobody is asserting that emulation is a crime. People are asserting that emulating games you didn't pay for probably breaks the law. It's not even a subtle distinction. Nintendo can use emulation to run their own games because the games belong to them.

 

[daveonezero]

Now that it’s come out the Dolphin uses some sort of encryption technology that was pulled from the Wii console, this makes sense. Hopefully the developers behind Dolphin will go in and remove the code in question and release a “clean” version.

Totally cool for Nintendo to rip off emulators and work done with rims though

Nobody is asserting that emulation is a crime. People are asserting that emulating games you didn't pay for probably breaks the law. It's not even a subtle distinction. Nintendo can use emulation to run their own games because the games belong to them.

Depending on the software code they use for the emulation no they can’t.

You can just use an emulator for commercial use. They can make their own but they have been caught taking code and not giving credit or utilizing the license correctly.

 

[Zug]

Emulation is only tolerated when it's not too visible, it's always been the case.
But who cares anyway ? There's much better integrated emulator frontends than Steam out there.

 

[Banjo64]

I’d welcome anyone crying about this to provide proof that they legally rip their own roms.

 

[Tams]

I’d welcome anyone crying about this to provide proof that they legally rip their own roms.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

Bizarre, other emulators are on steam.

 

[theclaw135]

I’d welcome anyone crying about this to provide proof that they legally rip their own roms.

That's a chicken-or-the-egg problem. To rip Wii games, you need an encryption key you can't get without hacking the console.

 

[Tams]

That's a chicken-or-the-egg problem. To rip Wii games, you need an encryption key you can't get without hacking the console.

There's nothing wrong with hacking your own owned console. Nintendo certainly don't like it and try to stop it, but for your own personal use it is yours.

Most people don't though.

 

[Icymanipulator]

Valve should have fought them tooth and nail.
Fuck Nintendo and their draconian policies.

 

[Banjo64]

That's a chicken-or-the-egg problem. To rip Wii games, you need an encryption key you can't get without hacking the console.

Change legally to ethically then.

I’d welcome anyone crying about this to provide proof that they own physical copies of the games they emulate.

 

[justiceiro]

Of course. Why would they want this problematic app on there ?
I don't see any reason to have it on steam anyway hen you can just download it any other way

Seems like some PC players get a seizure if they can't get all their games from steam.

 

[Sophist]

It is surprising that Valve even let Dolphin list in the first place.

Why? Retroarch is listed since 2020. The problem with Dolphin is it is relying on Nintendo copyrighted content unlike Retroarch. Valve probably alerted Nintendo also about Retroarch.

 

[theclaw135]

I found some more information why Dolphin's ability to decrypt Wii games is potentially unlawful.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...pyright-protection-systems-for-access-control

Section 1201(a)(1) provides in pertinent part that “[n]o person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [title 17].” Under the statute, to “circumvent a technological measure” means “to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner.” [2] A technological measure that “effectively controls access to a work” is one that “in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.”

 

[JayK47]

All Steam is peddling these days is porn games. I suppose they have no interest in emulation or getting sued.

 

[peronmls]

Steam got a C&D. They didn't help with anything but let dolphin be advertised on their site. You think valve is not aware of what Dolphin is? Get real.

 

[Sophist]

I found some more information why Dolphin's ability to decrypt Wii games is potentially unlawful.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...pyright-protection-systems-for-access-control

Definitively unlawful. Legal precedents, all in favor of copyright holders:

RealNetworks, Inc. v. DVD Copy Control Ass'n, Inc. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

321 Studios v. Metro Goldwyn Mayer Studios, Inc. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following two are about the open source software DeCSS that allowed linux users to play encrypted DvDs.
The authors disassembled the software XingDVD to get the cryptographic keys, got sued, lost the case.
Authors claimed that the source code of DeCSS is a form a speech and thus should be protected by the first amendment. The judges agreed but still banned its publication for the greater good.
The key itself then became an illegal number.

Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Corley - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

DVD Copy Control Ass'n, Inc. v. Bunner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No legal case but DMCA was used.

AACS encryption key controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org