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Vgtech: Grand Theft Auto 5 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Comparison (Next-Gen Update)

FrankWza

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additional parallelization
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Topher

Gold Member
Close enough that they will trade blows in comparisons. It’s not like it’s a repeat of last gen systems. People have to keep that in mind.

Yep. In most cases so far the differences between PS5 and XSX have been negligible. PS5 typically has had better frame rate while XSX has pushed out more pixels. I expect we will see more parity from third parties devs and first party, as always, will be the ones to really push these consoles to their limits.
 

mejin

Member
What are you on about? So when the Series X outperforms the PS5 (as it has many times) what do you say then? Those who think PS5 is more powerful because old graphics engines are performing slightly better are in for a shock when additional parallelization starts being used more extensively going forward.

From kick Cerny ass right out the gate to wait for the tools and now a new prophecy.

You guys never learn.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member

there are no shadows under the cars on Series X?
DF forgot to mention this.




Seems worse on Series consoles

Mean frame rates:
PS5: 59.89fps
Series X: 59.68fps
Series S: 57.91fps

1st Percentile Frame Rate
PS5: 54fps
Series X: 45fps
Series S: 38fps
By the way, the stats say Series S drops into the 30s. Isn't that a bit too much even for VRR to save the day?

Off in the distance is the sound of a mage crying.
 

Swift_Star

Gold Member
What are you on about? So when the Series X outperforms the PS5 (as it has many times) what do you say then? Those who think PS5 is more powerful because old graphics engines are performing slightly better are in for a shock when additional parallelization starts being used more extensively going forward.
It’s funny you really believe that when 99.9% of the times there’ll be basically no noticeable difference between games on both systems unless they’re terribly optimized like Elden Ring is. Properly optimized games will run basically the same.
But go on, keep believing there’s some significant gap between the machines.
 

MasterCornholio

Gold Member
Yep. In most cases so far the differences between PS5 and XSX have been negligible. PS5 typically has had better frame rate while XSX has pushed out more pixels. I expect we will see more parity from third parties devs and first party, as always, will be the ones to really push these consoles to their limits.

Pretty much. An interesting study with a current gen engine would be the matrix demo. Curious how each systems strengths is exhibited in it. Pretty expect the two to be close the entire gen. It’s not like either hardware will downgrade itself.
 

MasterCornholio

Gold Member
A whole lot of noise over nothing in the end. With VRR again making the Series X experience clearly superior. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

Well it’s not like anyone is going to really notice with this title. Over 99% of the time they maintain their maximum frame rates. But yes for less than 1% of the time VRR will benefit the XSX. Assuming the numbers are true of course which being VGtech I’m sure they are.
 
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Swift_Star

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Well it’s not like anyone is going to really notice with this title. Over 99% of the time they maintain their maximum frame rates. But yes for less than 1% of the time VRR will benefit the XSX. Assuming the numbers are true of course which being VGtech I’m sure they are.
Don’t worry, as soon as VRR is rolled-out on ps5, the warriors will forget this feature exists.
 

SenjutsuSage

Halo TV Series Promoter - Live from: Reach
Pretty much. An interesting study with a current gen engine would be the matrix demo. Curious how each systems strengths is exhibited in it. Pretty expect the two to be close the entire gen. It’s not like either hardware will downgrade itself.

Problem with the matrix demo is it was an unfinished engine, unfit for a game release with still many missing features that weren't even implemented yet, such as Mesh Shaders, which has now officially been added to Unreal 5. Sampler Feedback to my knowledge hasn't been implemented yet, either, just regular software virtualized textures. Sampler Feedback implementation would make that whole thing even better.



He's a graphics engineer at Epic games.

 

MasterCornholio

Gold Member
Problem with the matrix demo is it was an unfinished engine, unfit for a game release with still many missing features that weren't even implemented yet, such as Mesh Shaders, which has now officially been added to Unreal 5. Sampler Feedback to my knowledge hasn't been implemented yet, either, just regular software virtualized textures. Sampler Feedback implementation would make that whole thing even better.



He's a graphics engineer at Epic games.


Well everything is unfinished according to you.

How many years do we have to wait until the XSX wrecks the PS5 in comparisons?

That’s what many want to know the answer to,
 

SenjutsuSage

Halo TV Series Promoter - Live from: Reach
Well it’s not like anyone is going to really notice with this title. Over 99% of the time they maintain their maximum frame rates. But yes for less than 1% of the time VRR will benefit the XSX. Assuming the numbers are true of course which being VGtech I’m sure they are.

Yea, nobody will really notice. Prior to these analysis, though, people had me thinking PS5 was a locked 60fps and series x was struggling down at 30fps consistently or something lol.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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Don’t worry, as soon as VRR is rolled-out on ps5, the warriors will forget this feature exists.
On LED TV's VRR ruins picture quality.
Local Dimming is disabled.
I am not sure about the new Samsung or Sony TV's though.

I usually have it disabled because of this BUT...
I use it with Dying Light 2 which has no HDR and already looks pretty bad.

Local Dimming>VRR
 
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Swift_Star

Gold Member
On LED TV's VRR ruins picture quality.
Local Dimming is disabled.
I am not sure about the new Samsung or Sony TV's though.

I usually have it disabled because of this BUT...
I use it with Dying Light 2 which has no HDR and already looks pretty bad.

Local Dimming>VRR
In the qn90a I think it works pretty fine.
 

SenjutsuSage

Halo TV Series Promoter - Live from: Reach
Well everything is unfinished according to you.

How many years do we have to wait until the XSX wrecks the PS5 in comparisons?

That’s what many want to know the answer to,

Who said anything about it wrecking it? And Unreal Engine 5 literally IS unfinished. You do realize that Matrix Demo isn't anything approaching a game that could be shipped right? It's merely a test bed based on unfinished work, no more, no less.

It's not about Series X "wrecking" PS5. It's about xbox developers simply being able to be more efficient and squeeze more out of the available hardware resources. But it's clear that in games that utilize Series X's more advanced unique featureset, such as Doom Eternal, Series X clearly demonstrates it can separate itself from the PS5 in ways befitting its hardware advantage. You're never going to see some generational gap between the two systems because they are mostly capable of the same things visually. PS5 will just often end up doing it at a lower resolution. Are there maybe ways the Series X could separate itself more? I do believe that potential exists with the likes of Sampler Feedback Streaming, more advanced utilization of VRS, possible Mesh Shader use and perhaps Machine Learning if Microsoft ends up utilizing it for Series X.
 

Riky

My little VRR pleasure pearl goes vrrrooommm.
Who said anything about it wrecking it? And Unreal Engine 5 literally IS unfinished. You do realize that Matrix Demo isn't anything approaching a game that could be shipped right? It's merely a test bed based on unfinished work, no more, no less.

It's not about Series X "wrecking" PS5. It's about xbox developers simply being able to be more efficient and squeeze more out of the available hardware resources. But it's clear that in games that utilize Series X's more advanced unique featureset, such as Doom Eternal, Series X clearly demonstrates it can separate itself from the PS5 in ways befitting its hardware advantage. You're never going to see some generational gap between the two systems because they are mostly capable of the same things visually. PS5 will just often end up doing it at a lower resolution. Are there maybe ways the Series X could separate itself more? I do believe that potential exists with the likes of Sampler Feedback Streaming, more advanced utilization of VRS, possible Mesh Shader use and perhaps Machine Learning if Microsoft ends up utilizing it for Series X.

Hopefully the next batch of first party next gen only games will be using some of these features, that's when we start to see what Xbox can really do.
 

adamsapple

Gold Member
After watching Tom's analysis, based on his narration i got the impression that his version of GTA 5 happens to be running slightly better on XSX, he even suggested DRS uniquely for PS5's 30 FPS mode. Good old Tom, always my favorite.

Yeah, his eyesight isn't the best out there.

All this snark because the DF video didn't go the way you wanted it to go.

 

Lysandros

Member
Well it’s not like anyone is going to really notice with this title. Over 99% of the time they maintain their maximum frame rates. But yes for less than 1% of the time VRR will benefit the XSX. Assuming the numbers are true of course which being VGtech I’m sure they are.
Vgtech's accuracy certainly stood the test of time, as an example he corrected Tom's erroneous figures more than once in the past.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
You have an X90J? I've been using it with VRR since the update dropped and it looks fine.
Again the X90J disables Local Dimming when using VRR.
Sorry but If that looks fine to you, your credibility goes out the window.

"For HDR gaming, it is important to make sure that HDMI Enhanced Format is set to 'Enhanced Format' for the input you are using. If you want to enable VRR, set HDMI Signal Format to 'Enhanced Format (VRR)', but this also disables the local dimming feature."

 
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ManaByte

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"For HDR gaming, it is important to make sure that HDMI Enhanced Format is set to 'Enhanced Format' for the input you are using. If you want to enable VRR, set HDMI Signal Format to 'Enhanced Format (VRR)', but this also disables the local dimming feature."

The latest FW update just has VRR or Dolby Vision. The VRR option replaced the old 120hz option and combined it into one selection. There aren't two Enhanced Format options anymore so that site isn't correct. I'm going off what my TV has and how it looks, not what an incorrect website is saying.

The non-HDMI 2.1 ports (there are two) still have the normal Enhanced option for HDR. The HDMI 2.1 ports have either Dolby Vision or VRR (which is 120hz).
 
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Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer

PS5 and Xbox Series X in both Performance Mode and Performance RT Mode render at a native resolution of 2560x1440. PS5 and Xbox Series X seem to both use FSR 1.0 to upscale from 2560x1440 to 3840x2160.

Xbox Series S in Performance Mode renders at a native resolution of 1920x1080.

PS5 and Xbox Series X in Fidelity Mode render at a native resolution of 3840x2160.

Xbox Series S in Fidelity Mode renders at a native resolution of 2560x1440. Xbox Series S in Fidelity Mode seems to use FSR 10 to upscale from 2560x1440 to 3840x2160

. All three consoles in all modes render the UI at 3840x2160. PS5 and Xbox Series X in both Fidelity Mode and Performance RT Mode have Ray-Traced Sun Shadows. Xbox Series S doesn't have a mode with Ray-Traced Sun Shadows, but Series S does have improved shadow quality in Fidelity Mode compared to Performance Mode. Fidelity Mode on all three consoles has increased grass draw distance compared to Performance Mode.

Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1rL8WBdAs29DNq_i_2yUWBg-ZMmJVWcihg0CJZFRIe14/htmlview
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
The latest FW update just has VRR or Dolby Vision. The VRR option replaced the old 120hz option and combined it into one selection. There aren't two Enhanced Format options anymore so that site isn't correct. I'm going off what my TV has and how it looks, not what an incorrect website is saying.
Local Dimming is disabled when VRR is enabled.
Which results in a shitty edge lit picture.(you said looks good)

You own the TV and don't know this.

 
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MasterCornholio

Gold Member
Who said anything about it wrecking it? And Unreal Engine 5 literally IS unfinished. You do realize that Matrix Demo isn't anything approaching a game that could be shipped right? It's merely a test bed based on unfinished work, no more, no less.

It's not about Series X "wrecking" PS5. It's about xbox developers simply being able to be more efficient and squeeze more out of the available hardware resources. But it's clear that in games that utilize Series X's more advanced unique featureset, such as Doom Eternal, Series X clearly demonstrates it can separate itself from the PS5 in ways befitting its hardware advantage. You're never going to see some generational gap between the two systems because they are mostly capable of the same things visually. PS5 will just often end up doing it at a lower resolution. Are there maybe ways the Series X could separate itself more? I do believe that potential exists with the likes of Sampler Feedback Streaming, more advanced utilization of VRS, possible Mesh Shader use and perhaps Machine Learning if Microsoft ends up utilizing it for Series X.

I’ve seen some say the XSX is in a different performance tier than the PS5. I’m actually expecting developers to er with both to be honest. Not really predicting that one will remain stagnant.
 

MasterCornholio

Gold Member
To be fair, VRR is incredibly important in Elden Ring, a game that stutters quite literally all the time.

I still believe that no game should be like that even if you have access to VRR. Great feature to have but it shouldn’t be necessary to make a game playable.

I’m currently going through Elden Ring and while playable I did wish I had VRR to smooth things out a bit. Doesn’t change the the dips in latency though but thankfully I haven’t experienced that yet.
 

dcmk7

Member
But it's clear that in games that utilize Series X's more advanced unique featureset, such as Doom Eternal, Series X clearly demonstrates it can separate itself from the PS5 in ways befitting its hardware advantage.
Using a first party title in an example like that to form your narrative is pretty misleading bud.

A senior figure within Microsoft said very publicly that any Bethesda game coming to cross-platform will be 'first or better or best' on an Xbox console or platform, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the Doom Eternal patch (released not long afterwards) was significantly better on Xbox. It literally was promised by Microsoft.

To then use their games in comparisons, when they are so public about Xbox getting the best versions, is pretty weak.
 

Iamgoat100

Neo Member
On LED TV's VRR ruins picture quality.
Local Dimming is disabled.
I am not sure about the new Samsung or Sony TV's though.

I usually have it disabled because of this BUT...
I use it with Dying Light 2 which has no HDR and already looks pretty bad.

Local Dimming>VRR
Only certain LED TV's lose local dimming with VRR enabled. But like you said I would rather sacrifice VRR for local dimming if my display behaved in that manor. It's good to always do your homework when purchasing a TV, especially with gaming in mind.
 

Lognor

Member
Don’t worry, as soon as VRR is rolled-out on ps5, the warriors will forget this feature exists.
LOL, you joking?

Whenever DF says the PS5 has the better version of a game with VRR enabled the warriors aren't going to let the rest of us hear the end of it.
Warriors right now are trying to downplay VRR because they don't have it on their console of choice. You don't think warriors are going to go overboard once/if they finally get it? Hint: they will.
 

dcmk7

Member
LOL, you joking?

Whenever DF says the PS5 has the better version of a game with VRR enabled the warriors aren't going to let the rest of us hear the end of it.
Warriors right now are trying to downplay VRR because they don't have it on their console of choice. You don't think warriors are going to go overboard once/if they finally get it? Hint: they will.
I think you're right.

The VRR card only seems to get played when one console is more solid than the other, which seems to be happening more and more lately.

When both systems have it - it should make this threads more concise and less trolling. One big potential benefit for everyone. It's super tedious right now.
 
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