ManaByte
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Never used a Gsync/freesync PC monitor I see.
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VRR coming to PS5 via firmware update in Spring 2022
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Never used a Gsync/freesync PC monitor I see.
I've checked it and you're right, it's an old page. It was posted on an other message board and I thought they knew what they were referencing
Anyway if you don't think Vincent is reliable and he's just speculating, just wait for an official PR.
In any case since they have a new line of TVs with VRR at launch it seems that they have sorted out the issues that plagued previous TVs.
ManaByte
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I've checked it and you're right, it's an old page. It was posted on an other message board and I thought they knew what they were referencing
Anyway if you don't think Vincent is reliable and he's just speculating, just wait for an official PR.
In any case since they have a new line of TVs with VRR at launch it seems that they have sorted out the issues that plagued previous TVs.
I'll believe it's happening not when the VRR update is out for Sony TVs, because two of the TVs already got the VRR update, but when there's confirmation they're able to increase the bandwidth on the PS5 HDMI port to support it correctly. We ALREADY have two Sony TVs on the market with VRR support. Yet no real concrete confirmation on the console outside of speculation.
sankt-Antonio
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VRR isn’t even implied here.
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ethomaz
Banned
So instead to ask devs for better games you keep the same narrative that brought us Cyberpunk, Battlefield, etc etc.We can't trust Devs to release finished games and you expect locked framerates
We've even through this a hundred times the number of locked 120fps games especially on console you can count on one hand.
Seems like for you devs focusing in delivery an optimized product is just a bad thing lol
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It's an old page referecing last year infos, I've edited the post.
Riky
$MSFT
Well you stop buying games until every game has a locked framerate and let the rest of us carry on and use VRR.
ethomaz
Banned
It is a bandaid feature on PC… it was created for that.
You try to setup your game for your target framerate… if you don’t reach there you use Adaptive Sync.
And in PC that is heavy variable hardware wise it is a useful bandaid… not so much in a fixed hardware where the games should be delivered with constant framerate.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
You can ask all you want, you're not getting it. In the meantime, VRR solves the problem.
Tommi84
Member
That made me laugh more than I'd expected. Bravo!!
Chris_Rivera
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Unfortunate having to rely on VRR but that seems to be the reality with games these days. For example BF2042 is awful on PS5 compared to Series X. It would fix problems the devs aren’t going to fix.Not better than you know have solid framerate.
It is a bandaid feature… you need it when you are already hurt… when you are good you don’t need it.
Of course after PS5 get it you will no more make it like a god send feature better than what it is made for
nightmare-slain
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if it's only 32Gb/s then that's a worry cause it would suggest that Sony don't plan to fully implement all HDMI 2.1 features. 40Gb/s is enough for 4K 120Hz HDR so the XSX will be fine. What this probably means is that the PS5 will only be able to do 4K 120hz without HDR or 4K 60Hz with HDR.
kyliethicc
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ethomaz
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It is a better way to tell the industry your money matters.
Sadly to see guys like you defending the need of a bandaid feature in a fixed hardware where the developer has complete control of what he is delivering (it is not dependent of what hardware combination the end user has).
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Dusktildawn48
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Lol, what a fantastic explanation!
GHG
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More like people are going to realise for themselves how much of a fraud you are considering the limited application it has for consoles (along with the fact that a lot of TV's shit the bed when it's enabled).
Fredrik
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Increase the bandwidth?? Isn’t it standard 48gbps for HDMI 2.1?
Riky
$MSFT
I live in the real world, just downloading Dirt 5 on PS5, the framerate isn't locked in 120fps mode, you enjoy your judder and I'll enjoy VRR.......lol
ethomaz
Banned
It is not standard… it is optional… there is just a minimum.
nightmare-slain
Member
you do know that even consoles don't always maintain their framerate right?
think of all the games that are capped at 60fps on console but still drop to 55, 50, or 40fps. that's what VRR is designed to fix. if the framerate drops then the monitor/tv adjusts to match it.
unless you actually enjoy stuttering, input lag, screen tearing then VRR is a welcome addition. imo, all displays should have support for VRR. it's really that good.
onesvenus
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Yeah, there have been a lot of TVs that supported g-sync in the last 10 years, LOL
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Cool feature for the one percent who have vrr capable displays.
Imtjnotu
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ManaByte
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Right now the PS5 HDMI port is capped at 32gbps.
ethomaz
Banned
Thanks god I should play the 60fps mode… I don’t play PS3 games anymore.
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kyliethicc
Member
He says the TVs will launch with VRR coinciding with a PS5 firmware update.
Coinciding implies both will happen around the same time. And we know these TVs will launch around March-April.
GHG
Member
I'm a fraud for enjoying getting rid of screen tearing and judder
Exposed yourself as bitter fanboy because I've been having a better experience than you, just check the VRR box when it comes and enjoy...you can PM me the apology.
Don't cry.
I have 2 VRR capable displays that I use on my PC's. It's worth it's weight in gold on PC when you can't be asked to optimise settings for a particular framerate target (or if the game is just a shit port and will run inconsistently regardless).
Other than some edge case scenarios, most console games run at a particular framerate target with vsync enabled. VRR does fuck all most of the time.
The only time it's useful on console are times when the developers haven't done their jobs properly and failed to properly hit a particular framerate target. As far as consoles go it's nothing more than a crutch considering you have zero autonomy on how you want to run your games. VRR or no VRR sub 30 fps is still sub 30fps, sub 60fps is still sub 60fps and sub 120fps is sub 120fps.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Who's Vincet?
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
wait there are people that static refresh rate is better then vrr? Been sold since the early days of gsync myself.
edit: never mind I see them
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Riky
$MSFT
Don't turn it on then if you don't agree with it, I couldn't care less what you do
I'm downloading an example today with Dirt 5 where the framerate goes from 120fps into the eighties, you can bitch about developers but in the real world not many games have totally locked framerates, in fact hardly any do. So I'll be quite happy playing Dirt 5 with VRR on and you enjoy the judder.
Obviously Sony agree with me or they wouldn't be bringing the feature to PS5, why don't you contact them and tell them they are wrong and Devs should lock all framerates.
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Riky
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wait there are people that static refresh rate is better then vrr? Been sold since the early days of gsync myself.
edit: never mind I see them
It's the Looney Tunes brigade, they live in la la land where games don't have framerate drops, bless them.
RoadHazard
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Do we know why they would do that? Does the hardware itself support the full bandwidth needed?
Imagine if the end result of all of this is that you have to buy a revised PS5 model to get full 2.1 functionality... There would be class-action lawsuits as far as the eye can see. Well, in the US. Here in Europe I think they would be forced to simply replace everyone's PS5, since they have sold it on the promise of VRR becoming available in an update (it's been in official FAQs since before it was launched).
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S0ULZB0URNE
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We can't trust Devs to release finished games and you expect locked framerates
We've even through this a hundred times the number of locked 120fps games especially on console you can count on one hand.
Not better than you know have solid framerate.
It is a bandaid feature… you need it when you are already hurt… when you are good you don’t need it.
Of course after PS5 get it you will no more make it like a god send feature better than what it is made for
Yeah solid fps>VRR
These are consoles not un-optimized PC's.
We don't need to give these devs a reason to get lazy with programming and use VRR as a crutch.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Certain people act like games are movies, where you can exactly control the framerate as you want. Turns out games are dynamic, which means the performance impact is dynamic too, which means framerate will never be perfect throughout the entire game.
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Riky
$MSFT
You go and tell Sony then, they seem to think it's worth doing.
You can always not turn it on if it upsets you.
"VRR at launch coinciding with the imminent arrival of VRR on PS5 following a firmware update"
The wording is a bit unclear but spring in not exactly imminent. My take on it was that coinciding is in the sense of immediatly being able to take advantage of.
But we'll see obviously nothing is set in stone until official.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fuckin finally
Fredrik
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Okay and they can increase the bandwidth through software? If not, can’t they just keep it at 32gbps and shave off some other feature through a video option to activate vrr? I have an old HDMI 2.0 TV but can still play at 120hz if I’m okay with 1080p and no HDR.
Fredrik
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Yup it’ll go away, it’s only of theoretical interest to know the framerate on a PC using gsync, I wouldn’t have a clue if a game ran at 65 or 85fps without looking at the counter in the corner, everything looks smooth as butter.
M1chl
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That's related to current OLED displays, nothing to with degraded quality from console or while displayed on LCD.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I know it's hard for you to understand but.... solid performance is far better than VRR kicking in with dips in performance.
Lognor
Banned
Wait. Never confirmed coming to the PS5? That can't be right.
It was promised for certain 2021 tvs, but here we are a year later and it still hasn't arrived. I don't think Sony can backpedal on that now. It would be false advertising. It might be a shit implementation, but I'm sure it's coming...at some point.
Lognor
Banned
Uh no shit. And native 4k is better than DRS. So why aren't all games native 4k? It's better! Don't allow lazy devs to use DRS. We need locked 4k. /s
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